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#101
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Rifneno wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...
Justice feels compassion for the wife of the dead Warden and wants to help her. He also wants to avenge the dead Warden and ends up hating Darkspawn. Demons feel no compassion for mortals and only seek to trick them. How would Justice be a demon tricking the Grey Warden by helping him and leaving at the end?


Justice sure showed compassion for Ella, that young circle apprentice.  Yes, sir, that was a regular Hallmark moment.

-Polaris


That's not Justice. Obviously you aren't paying attention to Anders right? Did you play Awakenings? Justice has become Vengeance. Vengeance being opposite from what Justice was. Justice is good, Vengeance is bad. He's a demon now and that's what Ella says. Proving my point about demons - they're not good.

Once again, I wasn't arguing about Wayne. I hate Wayne. I want a mage who is normal and supports the templars.


Would you also like a black person who supports the KKK?


No. I want a tranquil mage who is racist and I want her to have ******************** and it'll all be good and then I'll kill her.

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IanPolaris wrote...

Justice wasn't all that good even in awakenings, and you have yet to show me anything that distiguishes Demons from Sprits. Demons seem to be Spirits with especially forcible personalities (to paraphrase ironically Anders in DAA).

-Polaris


Explain how he was bad then? Others have already pointed out the flaw in your argument about him being bad.

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Elton John is dead wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...
Justice feels compassion for the wife of the dead Warden and wants to help her. He also wants to avenge the dead Warden and ends up hating Darkspawn. Demons feel no compassion for mortals and only seek to trick them. How would Justice be a demon tricking the Grey Warden by helping him and leaving at the end?


Justice sure showed compassion for Ella, that young circle apprentice.  Yes, sir, that was a regular Hallmark moment.

-Polaris


That's not Justice. Obviously you aren't paying attention to Anders right? Did you play Awakenings? Justice has become Vengeance. Vengeance being opposite from what Justice was. Justice is good, Vengeance is bad. He's a demon now and that's what Ella says. Proving my point about demons - they're not good.

Once again, I wasn't arguing about Wayne. I hate Wayne. I want a mage who is normal and supports the templars.


Would you also like a black person who supports the KKK?


No. I want a tranquil mage who is racist and I want her to have ******************** and it'll all be good and then I'll kill her.


Who cares?  She's tranquil.  She's already dead.

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Rifneno wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

No. I want a tranquil mage who is racist and I want her to have ******************** and it'll all be good and then I'll kill her.


Who cares?  She's tranquil.  She's already dead.


So he wants to be a protagonist who is a necrophealiac?

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LobselVith8 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

No. I want a tranquil mage who is racist and I want her to have ******************** and it'll all be good and then I'll kill her.


Who cares?  She's tranquil.  She's already dead.


So he wants to be a protagonist who is a necrophealiac?


What he wants is to troll the pro-mage faction.  I'm just not biting.  :)

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Rifneno wrote...
What he wants is to troll the pro-mage faction.  I'm just not biting.  :)

LOL  You're a "faction" now?  Do you wear armbands and have a secret handshake?

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Addai67 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
What he wants is to troll the pro-mage faction.  I'm just not biting.  :)

LOL  You're a "faction" now?  Do you wear armbands and have a secret handshake?


Just feathery pauldrons, I'd guess

#108
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LobselVith8 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

No. I want a tranquil mage who is racist and I want her to have ******************** and it'll all be good and then I'll kill her.


Who cares?  She's tranquil.  She's already dead.


So he wants to be a protagonist who is a necrophealiac?


Dead is like Leandra. Tranquil mages aren't dead. They just obey as all mages should. The Maker (this is in the CODEX for DA3, I work for BW, I'm not making this up!) made all mages to be tranquil to service his faithful Templars who wore traditional templar armor at the time but some mages broke free and made the others free. They were originally slaves to service the templars (in many ways....) who were formed before (click the link for their history on the DA wikia) The Chantry got hold of them. The Templar order formed when The Maker commanded it to be so. As reward for his faithful servants. He made tranquil mages (they were a race) who would do whatever the templar wanted them to do after the templar came back from a long day of monster killing. Did you really expect The Maker to just let the templars have nagging wives? The Maker is called a loving god for a reason and that's because he understood the need of men - expecially that of his faithful templars.

Then The Chantry got hold of The Templars. The Templars died down in power and now mages are free. Support mage tranquilling and the restoration of the templar order in DA3.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 26 avril 2011 - 08:49 .


#109
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Addai67 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
What he wants is to troll the pro-mage faction.  I'm just not biting.  :)

LOL  You're a "faction" now?  Do you wear armbands and have a secret handshake?

The entrance test is to blow up a diorama of the birth of Christ.

#110
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Herr Uhl wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
What he wants is to troll the pro-mage faction.  I'm just not biting.  :)

LOL  You're a "faction" now?  Do you wear armbands and have a secret handshake?

The entrance test is to blow up a diorama of the birth of Christ.


You make me hate mages even more.

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Herr Uhl wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
What he wants is to troll the pro-mage faction.  I'm just not biting.  :)

LOL  You're a "faction" now?  Do you wear armbands and have a secret handshake?

The entrance test is to blow up a diorama of the birth of Christ.


I take it the entrance test to be pro-Chantry is to go Anakin Skywalker on some kids?

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Rifneno wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...
Justice feels compassion for the wife of the dead Warden and wants to help her. He also wants to avenge the dead Warden and ends up hating Darkspawn. Demons feel no compassion for mortals and only seek to trick them. How would Justice be a demon tricking the Grey Warden by helping him and leaving at the end?


Justice sure showed compassion for Ella, that young circle apprentice.  Yes, sir, that was a regular Hallmark moment.

-Polaris


That's not Justice. Obviously you aren't paying attention to Anders right? Did you play Awakenings? Justice has become Vengeance. Vengeance being opposite from what Justice was. Justice is good, Vengeance is bad. He's a demon now and that's what Ella says. Proving my point about demons - they're not good.

Once again, I wasn't arguing about Wayne. I hate Wayne. I want a mage who is normal and supports the templars.


Would you also like a black person who supports the KKK?


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Considering the circumstance that would be pretty damn funny.

#113
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LobselVith8 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
What he wants is to troll the pro-mage faction.  I'm just not biting.  :)

LOL  You're a "faction" now?  Do you wear armbands and have a secret handshake?

The entrance test is to blow up a diorama of the birth of Christ.


I take it the entrance test to be pro-Chantry is to go Anakin Skywalker on some kids?


I am not sure if this is good humor, or people being dead serious.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I take it the entrance test to be pro-Chantry is to go Anakin Skywalker on some kids?


I am not sure if this is good humor, or people being dead serious.


Accusing me of being serious? Lies and slander!

#115
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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I am not sure if this is good humor, or people being dead serious. 


In this situation, I think we need to ask David Xanatos.

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I'm serious. I'm a Bioware developer now.

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Wulfram wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
What he wants is to troll the pro-mage faction.  I'm just not biting.  :)

LOL  You're a "faction" now?  Do you wear armbands and have a secret handshake?


Just feathery pauldrons, I'd guess


Can I use scarlet macaw feathers?  Those are gorgeous.  :wub:

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Anders was a Circle Mage

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Elton John is dead wrote...

1. Elbernita wouldn't be able to stop anyone if the mages and Templars started an open war with each other.

2. Then if Anders knew he would be killing mages. He could have blown the Gallows up - the part where The Templars hanged about. If Anders had killed Elbernita. Chopped off her head and brought it to Orinoco and Meredith, Meredith still would have called for the Rite of annulementia since she was close to doing it anyway, even Orinoco states this. Who knows how many people were in The Chantry? Children could have been there on Sunday praying and !BOOM! - they all die because Anders thought a boom would be good.

3. A clan is a family and Keeper Mathrian was trying to keep Merril safe (and the clan below where the demon was) if that demon was released, it could have killed the clan. Point being - blood magic always causes death. Someone has to die if it is to be used. Whether that be the user or someone else. In the end, the demon broke free anyone, thankfully Hawke was there to beat it with his beard.

4. Demons are evil in the Dragon Age world too. The feed on greed, death and sloth and every other bad and negative element. Blood magic comes from them and requires someone to die so yep, it's evil.

5. Answer 1 addressed this.

6. Hmmm but Wayne didn't ask for the spirit and that's what it is. It's not a demon since it wants to help unlike Vengeance who wants to kill. Regardless, did I ever support her? I asked for a Circle Mage who is normal - no demons - no spirits - just a normal magic user.

1. She didn't even try

2. He blew up the Chantry for the principle. To send a message, the message being the Chantry (religion) itself must be brought down to its foundation.

3. Marethari is still responsible. It is similar to the Leliana statement if she finds out you are with Morrigan; she tells you that you will probably choose her over the safety of the whole group. That is what Marethari did. She endangered her family to protect one member. Very foolish.

4. Blood magic requires life force, which can be restored btw, but it does not require a death. Only for those extreme spells, and even then, normal magic requires the same power, otherwise Lyrium wouldn't be required. Over exertion with your magic will kill you without using BM.

5. ?

6. Anders didn't ask for Justice. He initially did it for the spirits' benefit, and only because Justice offered to help him bring equality to mages.

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2. He easily could have killed Elbertina. What he did was murder and only proves the Templar's views about mages. Mages were also in The Chantry according to dialogue (or it may be suggesting the mages who are to be killed in the coming battle), so Anders is responsible for their death. Why kill many when you can kill the leader? Cut off the head and the body shall fall.
3. If I remember. She said she took the demon to stop Merril for releasing it to kill the clan below too.
4. Normal characters don't "restore" health as the player can. Lore clearly states all blood mages endanger themselves by using a spell.
6. Anders agreed to let Justice possess his body. He still could have turned him down and even later regrets that he did accept him and admits that his joining with Justice was wrong.