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[Superarash]

I wish they made DA2 more scarier than DA origins, since DA origins was based on dark fantasy.

As for DA2, the game was shorter than DA origins.

[Curlain]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Curlain wrote...

The devs choose to call DA2 DA2, to decided it should be the sequel rather then a stand-alone game set in the Dragon Age world. Prior to it's release they marketed it as the sequel to DA:O and by virtue of it being a sequel (just like any sequel in almost any medium) it was able to drawn on the fanbase and the awareness of the first instalment to create instant interest in with pre-orders and the initial weeks of the game's release.

Since DA2 places itself as DA:O sequel, and uses that to it's benefit it is inevitable and fair that it be judged in comparison to it's predecessor. How it fares in such comparisons is up to the each individual of course

Like Highlander 2, for instance. Which also featured a lot of retconning, and also left quite a bitter taste in my mouth.

To the point that Highlander 3 ignored it completely and became the new Highlander 2.  Not that it was any better sadly, they really should never have made a sequel to Hightlander at all, and in my mind there isn't one 

[toggled]

I would have been disappointed with DA2 regardless. Dragon Age 2 was rushed, and it shows.

[Big I]

I'd have still been disappointed, but not as disappointed.

[k177sh0t]

BioWare should've renamed the DA2 title then, can anyone thing of any?

[TUHD]

They had an working title for it... Dragon Age: The Exile, or something like that, before they decided to rename it to Dragon Age 2. Can't recall the exact name, it's floating around the Internet somewhere.

Modifié par TUHD, 23 avril 2011 - 07:40 .

[JaegerBane]

Superarash wrote...

I wish they made DA2 more scarier than DA origins, since DA origins was based on dark fantasy.

As simple as that sounds, that's a good point. One of the things that made DA:O so enjoyable was a number of genuinely creepy quests - main quests like the conclusion of the Paragon of Her Kind quest, and the Exorcist-inspired side quest in the Elven Alienage.

The closest thing that came to this in DA2 was the All That Remains quest, which was over and done with in minutes, and Varric's Act 3 companion quest which started off great but ended with one of the daftest and most inexplicable bosses I've ever seen in a game.

[Curlain]

TUHD wrote...

They had an working title for it... Dragon Age: The Exile, or something like that, before they decided to rename it to Dragon Age 2. Can't recall the exact name, it's floating around the Internet somewhere.

I think I read in some thread it was Dragon Age: Exodus

[Uzaik]

"DA: Cash in"

[TRUTHMACHINE]

BobSmith101 wrote...

DA2 on it's own merits is pretty bad. As the sequel to DA it's downright awful.

exactly! on its own DA2 is a 6/10

as a sequel to DAO its about a 4/10

[mhendon]

Judging it on its own merits I'd say it was an ok game, probably more than ok. But it is a sequel to DA:O and should be judged as such. DA:O should have been improved, rather than completely reconstructed. Generally speaking, that's what fans of the first game expected. I think DA2 is well deserving of some serious criticism both for its own flaws and the way it measures up to DA:O.

[graavigala85]

 Ofcourse people are comparing it to DAO, hell its named Dragon Age 2, making it a freaking sequel to great game and of course people would expect atleats as good, if not better, than what the first one delivered, but this is not the case here.
DA2 is good-ish game and I accept it as pure hack&slash game with mediocre and irrelevant story telling to justify exploding everyone who comes on your way. 

[Medhia Nox]

I actually don't compare Dragon Age 2 with Origins unless it's "lore" concepts.

I actually compare CRPGs against table RPGs... and so long as they contain a series of elements that give me as close a facsimile as possible to the feel of table RPGs, I am usually content. To this end, Neverwinter Nights (Toolset, DM/Player Clients) is the undisputed champion (until, hopefully, the new Neverwinter in 2012).

If I were to compare CRPGs against another CRPG - it would only be against Neverwinter. Sadly, Bioware abandoned the style - which I think was (perhaps decades) ahead of its time.

As an RPG - Dragon Age 2 is very poor.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 23 avril 2011 - 08:09 .

[k177sh0t]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

k177sh0t wrote...

BioWare should've renamed the DA2 title then, can anyone thing of any?

"DA: Rise of The Champion"

Better

back to topic, a lot of people were having high expectations since its a sequel but in the end, it did not lived up to its "hype".

Probably a total revamp on DA could fix the franchises' reputation, thats a bif IF  BioWare could fix it though.

Modifié par k177sh0t, 23 avril 2011 - 08:11 .

[TUHD]

Medhia Nox wrote...
I actually compare CRPGs against table RPGs... and so long as they contain a series of elements that give me as close a facsimile as possible to the feel of table RPGs, I am usually content. To this end, Neverwinter Nights (Toolset, DM/Player Clients) is the undisputed champion (until, hopefully, the new Neverwinter in 2012).

/offtopic
Personally, I've been keeping track of the Neverwinter MMO too, and what I read makes me doubtfull. It seems to become an standard grinding MMO with not too much relationship with the NWN game series... but I hope it has changed since the latest articles I read.

[Dormiglione]

TRUTHMACHINE wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

DA2 on it's own merits is pretty bad. As the sequel to DA it's downright awful.

exactly! on its own DA2 is a 6/10

as a sequel to DAO its about a 4/10

Same here. It was advertised as the sequel of Dragon Age. So it will be compared with the predecessor.

[Serpieri Nei]

DA2 is a mediocre game, if you compare it to Origins it drops even further in quality.

[Spooky81]

Logikal1 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

DA2 on it's own merits is pretty bad. As the sequel to DA it's downright awful.

Agreed. 

Also it was advertised as a sequal to Dragon Age Origins which is a major reason why I purchased it.

If It were advertised as a standalone Call of Dragon Age or Dragon Effect then I wouldn't have purchased it knowing I wasn't getting a game that remotely resembled my beloved Dragon Age: Origins. 


BioFail

Agreed and agreed.

Disregarding it's roots to the DA series, the game is an affront to the Bioware namebrand and reeks of EA influence and ethics(rushed development, captilizing on maximum profits, quantity over quality).

If DA2 were released under a seperate name and seperate company, i wouldnt hold it up to Bioware standards and would therefore judge it a decent RPG.  With Bioware in the equation, many of the dissatisfied fans feel it could have and should have been superior over what the dev team allowed to be released.  Too many shortcuts taken and alot more dissapointed fans outside of the "there'll always be complainers" norm.

[erynnar]

Flamingdropbear wrote...

nerdage wrote...

Doesn't make the criticism any less valid though.

True, but think more of the people demanding an apology, money back, blood. The critisims would stand if it was "City of Pride" as opposed to DA2, but doubt there would be as much hate for "City of Pride"

Well, I don't need an apology, nor my money back (hubby might disagree, it was his money he spent on me for my birthday...I won't ask him:lol:); but DA2 is what it is. It sadly, isn't "The Kirwall Chronicles."  It is, was sold as the sequel to DAO. It is what it is and I could wish one hand and **** in the other to see which fills up faster for all the good that would do.

I said it somewhere else, if it had been "The Kirkwall Chronicles" a separate story (no cameos from DAO) set in the DA universe, I would have liked it better.  Would it still have all the glaring (to me) problems it had and still feel rushed and unfinished...sadly, yes. It still means I wouldn't have liked playing my rogue with waves and waves of ninja enemies, plot holes, etc (though with my rogue the Benny Hill theme song in my head at the Arishok fight made the kiting worth it:O).  On the other hand (not the hand with the poo, you dirty birds:P) There are things they did I liked too.

I am having more fun playing a mage. Stil all the good things, and the problems remain.  I personally, think that some of the hate comes from people feeling cheated.  BioWare's name and rep have been well earned ( and no company can make perfect games, so they have their stinkers too) and they have built a lot of trust and loyalty. DA2 felt rushed, unfinished, with DLC sold the day of (that should have been in the game to begin with) made everyone's antennae go off about a money grab. 

Then to play it with it's linear main story that railroads you to the end (the side stories were very good, thank you Qunari) which was less than satisfactory for most...yeah. Couple that with less content then DAO (sorry this is about 30-40 hours without Nightmare, which can make it 50-60) where DAO has  more and replayability just due to the origins stories. Top that off with paying more for what people saw as flawed and less, and souless?  Yeah, you have a recipie for pissed off fans.

Sprinkle that with certain interviews which imply that old fans aren't as good as the new fans, along with people who love the game (and nothing wrong with that^_^ who felt it should be loved on it's own, stir and voila...you have the lovely position that BioWare finds itself in.  <spoiler> couldn't have made a bigger BOOM.

[randName]

For me? A large part.

Now they have ruined my DA:O experience as well (yes it's hyperbole, but writing tarnished or nagged won't really make for the drama and the turmoil that I obviously in part feel) & more importantly used my expectations as to lull me into DA2 and then they just tossed all of them out be delivering a product that on it's own I'd rate rather low, but in comparison to DA:O or even other BioWare titles, like Jade Empire, I'm trying hard not to despise.

Modifié par randName, 23 avril 2011 - 08:39 .

[erynnar]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Curlain wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Curlain wrote...

The devs choose to call DA2 DA2, to decided it should be the sequel rather then a stand-alone game set in the Dragon Age world. Prior to it's release they marketed it as the sequel to DA:O and by virtue of it being a sequel (just like any sequel in almost any medium) it was able to drawn on the fanbase and the awareness of the first instalment to create instant interest in with pre-orders and the initial weeks of the game's release.

Since DA2 places itself as DA:O sequel, and uses that to it's benefit it is inevitable and fair that it be judged in comparison to it's predecessor. How it fares in such comparisons is up to the each individual of course

Like Highlander 2, for instance. Which also featured a lot of retconning, and also left quite a bitter taste in my mouth.

To the point that Highlander 3 ignored it completely and became the new Highlander 2.  Not that it was any better sadly, they really should never have made a sequel to Hightlander at all, and in my mind there isn't one 

Let's just hope BioWare does the same 

And I also think the Highlander franchise ended as soon as Connor beheaded The Kurgan, and won "The Priiiize" (sorry)

LOL!!! DA2 is the Highlander 2 of the franchise, love that.  I compared it to Schuemacher's Batman movies.

[Merilsell]

A part is due to it, I confess, but hate is maybe too strong a word. Something between indifference and annoyance cut it better for me. There are too many things in this game that I find simply tedious (fighting, enemy waves etc.) while I'm annoyed by Bioware's blatant attempt to sell it to me as the new BETTAAAA Dragon Age game. Well news to you, Bioware: It isn't.

A huge reason is the way it plays which includes the missing immersion, bleak world /environments and the obvious unfinished/rushed state of the game in a whole. I'm gaming for many years now and have seen and played many. many games by now. So I can safely say that DA2 is in no way a special game like the other games of BW were to me for example. It is a mass product, one game hurled out in a rush and made for the masses but failed to appeal to the new target. It tries too hard to be everything and has so lost its identity and soul. Even disregarding the fact that it has been sold as a sequel to a game that I love and still play after 1 1/2 years and viewing it as a standalone game, I find it very forgettable.

You know, DA2 would have been a good game for an expansion pack, while I would have loved to see more work invested in Awakening to make THAT to a real sequel to Origins. Sigh. <_<

Modifié par Merilsell, 23 avril 2011 - 08:54 .

[Lumikki]

Flamingdropbear wrote...

After reading a lot of the criticism (constructive and not so constructive) for DA2 I noticed that a lot of the hate was due to comparisons to DA:O.

I disagree. It's not comparisons, sort of, because you can't really compare fairly anything, if you hate one and love other. It's self build expectations what create's the real problems, like mind image for perfect game for me. Of course real question is have these people sleep walking they hole life, because we have known even before DA2 was published, that DA2 isn't like DAO.

Point is the real good constructive critism is coming accepting how it's done now, just saying opinion about it. Bad critism is comming expecting something to be done other ways or be like it use to be (compare) and then based the complain in that. Meaning bad critism never accept anything different than player expecting it to be. Some could call it fear of changes, but I don't think so. More like change did not go the direction player wanted, so hole game is bad in players mind, because of it. In simple ways sayed, players can't accept games as they are, they allways want it to be something different, like perfect design for them self.

Modifié par Lumikki, 23 avril 2011 - 09:16 .