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Operative84 wrote...

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Well I hope it was worth it to them.......


we will see, come November the 10th. I hope Infinity Ward is prepared for the possible bans in some countries, lawsuits and some people having seen evidence that finally video games are the work of the devil.


I wager some countries will request it be delayed and that portion be scrubbed from the retail version


I would imagine that countries with the power to do this would have already had ratings boards who took a look at the game, like Australia, where activists are attempting to get it re-rated. It's possible, but I'm not sure how any re-ratings battles will go when a lot of these ratings boards/agencies are already fairly strict.

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I pretty much skimmed through this thread and I'm not really going to get into it. All I'm going to say is that the game will sell and sell well. I can't say it won't get more attention when the game comes out but in the end it will be an awesome game.



Note. I have not watched the video yet and would get this game regardless if I wasn't spending money on other games.

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Operative84 wrote..

From the looks of it: CIA yes, American soil no, could it happen in the US absolutely,


Could there be an airport massacre, sure. Would the CIA be stupid enough to participate in one on US soil? Not a chance. The security theater provided by Those Stupid A**holes would do little to nothing to stop it. I'm talking about the scene where they've somehow managed to blow a giant hole in the Washington Monument and take over DC. Wouldn't ****ing happen. Do you have ANY idea how many rapid reaction forces are stationed in and around DC? Taking the terrorists out would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

Modifié par Ravenshrike, 31 octobre 2009 - 12:38 .


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Ravenshrike wrote...

Operative84 wrote..

From the looks of it: CIA yes, American soil no, could it happen in the US absolutely,


Could there be an airport massacre, sure. Would the CIA be stupid enough to participate in one on US soil? Not a chance. The security theater provided by Those Stupid A**holes would do little to nothing to stop it. I'm talking about the scene where they've somehow managed to blow a giant hole in the Washington Monument and take over DC. Wouldn't ****ing happen. Do you have ANY idea how many rapid reaction forces are stationed in and around DC? Taking the terrorists out would be like shooting fish in a barrel.


I agree with you on the DC area I'm just referring to airports, security personel have settled in and become complacent, to me it seems those types of jobs should be reserved for prior service or prior law enforcement(yeah there are plenty of d-bags in the service, but for the majority it'd be better), but hey got to have a lazy fatbody goofing off expecting the machines to do all the work at security gates. Yeah attempting to do such at lets say Fayetteville airport next to Bragg, yeah that'd be suicide, and short lived.

Modifié par Operative84, 31 octobre 2009 - 12:50 .


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fairandbalancedfan wrote...

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i think that the fact this game sequences has people feeling uncomfortable means it was probably done very well. a sequence like that should have you feeling a little dirty, and a little more anxious to take those baddies out.


No offense intended, but I find it amusing how dramatic some Americans are getting about this. I am aware of 9/11 and it's repercussions, but there are many countries out there, who have experienced Terrorism for many years and have suffered far mor csualties than U.S.A. (India for example). It will be interesting how the polticians react to this.



No, I think  I said this one before, but you seem to have a rather bias view against Western publicity in these kind of thing, and I already pointed out the reason you think this way is because it's the only thing you know and follow, and the things you know is not the only things that exists. Just like my counter argument when you complaining why you keep seeing White Protagonists, like I said it's because Western company making them. The samething happening, MW2 is a Western game, it's released on Western Market, and 9/11 happenning on American soil, so of course you'll see a lot of reaction concerning it.



I don't disagree with your notion that the American kicking up a fuss about this, but I rather disagree on your notion that American is the only one doing it, pretty much similar your opinion on white protagonists. With all due respect, the only reason you think American kicking up a fuss about these things because I suppose you only follow Western news outlet. If you spend time looking into other news outlet, this is normal. For example:


The Osaka School Massacre and the Akihabara Massacre are pretty much the equivalent of the American Columbine shooting in Japan, and you bet the Japaneses kicked a lot of fuss about it . There were games that had to be altered, there were shows that had to be modified or pulled off from broadcasting because they decipited actions too close to these massacre for the Japanese to feel comfortable. The point here is, unless you follow the Japanese local news outlet, the Osaka/Akihabra Massacre would just pass by as one or two articles in the international section. But to America, Columbine was a local event, so you see they talk and talk and talk about it, that's normal. Just in like Japan the Akihabra's massacre is reminded and contemplated on every year, and if there is a commercial media comes too close to it, you bet there gonna be reaction. And how do you know the Russians do not complain? Do you listen to their news or read their newspaper? I used to work with 1/3 of my co-workers are Russian-ethic, and their news outlet is not really that of a different tone then the America outlet.


Or let think about an hypothical example: let say there is a well-know Indian game studio that decided to make a game and let the players to relive the Mumbai shooting incident from both ends of the gun. Are you confident enough that if we tune in the Indian media, we won't see the Indian rage over it?


Just like what I said in the Protagonist discussion, if you want to see an Indian protagonist, wait until an Indian game studio comes into the market. If you want to see the red army in all its glory, go find a Russian game maker. If you play Chinese games, you'll find a bunch of Chinese characters, if you play Japanese games, you'll see Tokyo is the center of the world, just like if you play Western games you will see white protagonist and the allied force rocked WWII. The same token is applied here, if you want to see other countries kicking up fuss about their stuff, you go and listen to their local channel. It's not a reasonable assumption to think American is the only one kicking up fuss. Just like I argued, it would be nice if Western Company go with ethical diversity, it would be nice if the American news outlet can cover what other people thought to, but there is no reasonable qualification to subject those into obligation and scrunity. If you want to know what an Indian think you listen to an Indian radio station, if you want to see what the Russian think you would pick up a Russian newspaper. Why do you frow at the fact you can find those in the US's media?


Maybe because they're using English :innocent:

Modifié par MightySword, 31 octobre 2009 - 01:08 .


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Ravenshrike wrote...

I'm talking about the scene where they've somehow managed to blow a giant hole in the Washington Monument and take over DC. Wouldn't ****ing happen. Do you have ANY idea how many rapid reaction forces are stationed in and around DC? Taking the terrorists out would be like shooting fish in a barrel.


And I keep stating the fact that this is a Modern Warfare game, which is not known for it's air tight plotlines. And as I said, no one cares how that works in the game, as long as things blow up and there are lots of bad guys to kill.

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Just like what I said in the Protagonist discussion, if you want to see an Indian protagonist, wait until an Indian game studio comes into the market. If you want to see the red army in all its glory, go find a Russian game maker. If you play Chinese games, you'll find a bunch of Chinese characters, if you play Japanese games, you'll see Tokyo is the center of the world, just like if you play Western games you will see white protagonist and the allied force rocked WWII. The same token is applied here, if you want to see other countries kicking up fuss about their stuff, you go and listen to their local channel. It's not a reasonable assumption to think American is the only one kicking up fuss. Just like I argued, it would be nice if Western Company go with ethical diversity, it would be nice if the American news outlet can cover what other people thought to, but there is no reasonable qualification to subject those into obligation and scrunity. If you want to know what an Indian think you listen to an Indian radio station, if you want to see what the Russian think you would pick up a Russian newspaper. Why do you frow at the fact you can find those in the US's media?

Maybe because they're using English :innocent:


Oh when I said Americans I said the Americans kicking up a fuss. I didn't say all Americans are kicking up a fuss about it. And I am not sure why you brought up the whole 'wait till the respective countries make their own game' argument. I wasn't discussing anything about the protagonists. If you look back through my posts, I am actually in support of Infinty Ward. I know that I can't change what they put into the game. It is intersting that in my several posts you chose to isolate one sentence and use it as the central thrust of your argument, when my main argument was 'If you don't like what you see, don't buy it'.

And looking back at my quote I clearly stated some Americans i.e. the ones making a fuss about this. It is interesting how out of nowhere that you are able to bring in points about the discussion we had a month ago which has no correlation with the posts that I have made so far, except for one sentence. I wasn't talking about whether Modern Warfare 2 needs a more ethnical diverse cast. And I wasn't talking about whether America is shown as the center of the world in this game either. Most of the time I was talking about the relative controvrsial nature of the scene in the game. And I was certainly not talking about why American media does not cover every view point. I stated that in this game you kill assorted ethnic dudes and yes, it is true. Whether or not it is good is the question. I say that it isupto Infinity Ward and they have creative control.

I don't know why you bothered replying when your reply made no sense in the context of my previous posts.

Modifié par fairandbalancedfan, 31 octobre 2009 - 04:35 .


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Ravenshrike wrote...

Operative84 wrote..

From the looks of it: CIA yes, American soil no, could it happen in the US absolutely,


Could there be an airport massacre, sure. Would the CIA be stupid enough to participate in one on US soil? Not a chance. The security theater provided by Those Stupid A**holes would do little to nothing to stop it. I'm talking about the scene where they've somehow managed to blow a giant hole in the Washington Monument and take over DC. Wouldn't ****ing happen. Do you have ANY idea how many rapid reaction forces are stationed in and around DC? Taking the terrorists out would be like shooting fish in a barrel.


You assume that it was done by terrorists rather than a real army of some sort. The trailer makes it seem like Washington has been captured somehow. Not necessarily realistic in any event, but I don't think it was seized by a small gang of crazed Russians.

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MrGOH wrote...

Ravenshrike wrote...

Operative84 wrote..

From the looks of it: CIA yes, American soil no, could it happen in the US absolutely,


Could there be an airport massacre, sure. Would the CIA be stupid enough to participate in one on US soil? Not a chance. The security theater provided by Those Stupid A**holes would do little to nothing to stop it. I'm talking about the scene where they've somehow managed to blow a giant hole in the Washington Monument and take over DC. Wouldn't ****ing happen. Do you have ANY idea how many rapid reaction forces are stationed in and around DC? Taking the terrorists out would be like shooting fish in a barrel.


You assume that it was done by terrorists rather than a real army of some sort. The trailer makes it seem like Washington has been captured somehow. Not necessarily realistic in any event, but I don't think it was seized by a small gang of crazed Russians.


Yes it's not realistic, but I have a feeling that MW2 does not care about plot plausibility.

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I don't think many games care much about plausibility, so I'm not complaining. But I do think more than a terrorist cell lays waste to DC in the game.

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fairandbalancedfan wrote...

'If you don't like what you see, don't buy it'.



I understand that, I'm not the type to turn on the tv and if something is on I dont like write my congressman, I change the channel, I was just seeking input from others. As I said before, I canceled my pre-order and put it on Mass Effect 2, because I dont think I can comfortably support this title is all. I wasnt trying to say OMG LOOK AT THIS HORRIBLE UGH EVERYONE NEEDS TO FEEL THE SAME, I was just seeing what my fellow gamers felt about it if at all.



I've always supported developers decisions to push the envelope, it's just I get so tired of seeing politicians get ammo to support their rhetoric, and things like this regardless of intention, whether it's to make you feel animosity and comfort in eliminating the enemy with extreme prejudice, or to change your tune when you act as though you are safe if your country does nothing in the face of evil(particularly when provoked/attacked), or just a marketing scheme because whether it's bad publicity or good, it's still publicity.



And some of the people that are more than just "it's a part of the story and I'm ok with that", but actually looking forward to the killing civi's is to say the least screwed up, immaturity maybe, acting out, maybe, someone who would crap their pants if they were in a real life combative/firefight situation but want to act hardcore, yeah more than likely that one.



Plus hell after COD4 I'm kind of burnt out from it truth be told. I'm sure the artists have put alot of work into the game, and it's a shame that many will honestly pass on this game because of this level.

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MrGOH wrote...

I don't think many games care much about plausibility, so I'm not complaining. But I do think more than a terrorist cell lays waste to DC in the game.


I'm not sure from the vids it seemed like it couldve been more likely a WMD of sorts, not everything is a nuke afterall.
Would have taken quite a force of men and armor to devistate the DC area alone with out opposition, so yeah I'm going to have to go with a WMD of sorts.

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Operative84 wrote...

fairandbalancedfan wrote...
'If you don't like what you see, don't buy it'.

I understand that, I'm not the type to turn on the tv and if something is on I dont like write my congressman, I change the channel, I was just seeking input from others. As I said before, I canceled my pre-order and put it on Mass Effect 2, because I dont think I can comfortably support this title is all. I wasnt trying to say OMG LOOK AT THIS HORRIBLE UGH EVERYONE NEEDS TO FEEL THE SAME, I was just seeing what my fellow gamers felt about it if at all.


I can certainly understand where you are coming from. The thing that worries me is that now some people are probably going to lump every video game as 'evil' because of this. And I would be stupid to think that everyone needs to feel the way I do, that is 'it's okay it's just a game'. It's O.K. if you are offended by what you see and pass on this game. As I said, we will see come November the 10th.

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Operative84 wrote...

MrGOH wrote...

I don't think many games care much about plausibility, so I'm not complaining. But I do think more than a terrorist cell lays waste to DC in the game.


I'm not sure from the vids it seemed like it couldve been more likely a WMD of sorts, not everything is a nuke afterall.
Would have taken quite a force of men and armor to devistate the DC area alone with out opposition, so yeah I'm going to have to go with a WMD of sorts.


It looks like a battle zone with the barbed wire and all. I don't doubt WMD's are involved, but I still think that the enemies are a larger and more organized fore this time around. In reality, yes, assaulting DC is not something that would end up successful.

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Shock value gets games more publicity and in the long run helps the industry move forward in my opinion.

Personally, I don't see what the big deal is, movies depict some VERY controversial subjects in every form imaginable.  Sex, drugs, homicidal violence, even touchy subjects as rape and child slaughter aren't too hot for directors to show on screen.  And it's very rare any of these topics in the form of a movie gets much negative attention at all, minus maybe the "Passion of the Christ" or whatever that movie was called, even that was but a whisper over a couple of weeks.

You see much worse things on TV than you ever see in games at this point.  Even so, there are tons of games that meet these standards, games such as Postal, where the entire game is basically sensless killing and gore.  Honestly, I think people just want to blame misbehavior on something, and since pretty much every kid in america plays games and listens to some form of music, those are to blame for a kid grown up to be a criminal.

A great example of game industry hate was Fox News' little ignorant bashing on Mass Effect.  They had a full section of their news show talking about how immorale Mass Effect was, as you could "have full control of a sexual encounter, deciding how your character interacts", and now it had, "full-fledged nudity".  They even held a panel with some self-proclaimed know-it-alls to discuss how Mass Effect should have an AO rating and anyone that plays it has a sexual obsession with blue women.
Bottom line, it's ridiculous how much hate the gaming industry gets.  Parents blame games because they failed to raise their kids properly, the news blames games because they're in the business of fear mongering, and others listen and start forging opinions on games and their effects on society based on the "facts" that others tell them.

But the fact is, what you see in the gaming industry, the most violent, morally bankrupt game on the market, would equate to a movie rated 14+.
Games tell stories, in MW2, for example, it is showing you the pain an undercover agent has to endure to help save hundreds, thousands of people.  I don't understand why these things are causing growing pains in the industry.  Just because you hold a controller in your hand and are taking part?  People seem to think that makes you a bad person, that you are taking part in a simulation.

Now, if a game was released that was souly based on bombing X country because they looked at you funny, I could see it getting negative attention.  But man... Reality in gaming is becoming a selling point, people want to know what it's like to race on the Nurburgring at 300 km/h, people want to know what it feels like to be a famous band, people want to know the truth of what undercover operatives have to endure.

My personal opinion on the matter is this, if reality is too much for you, stop watching movies, watching the news, playing ANY games, and go live in a bubble.

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Lolz anyone played fahrenheit? You actually get to use your mouse to adjust the speed of thrusts during a sex-scene.



It doesn't show genitals but there are boobs and very graphic sex scenes.



If you haven't played it already, go get it now! I promise you, you will be surprised at how good the game is.

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Fight scene from fahrenheit:

Edit: *spoiler*


Sorry I realised I shouldn't spoil it ^.^

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I don't see a huge difference to other games that allow or even encourage psychopatic behaviour. Be it postal, the GTA series or even some evil paths in Bioware games.

Sure, that MW2 scene is apparently closer to reality and less ironic (than GTA for example). But I think that can even be a good thing, if it makes the player experience the monstrosity of evil, and not only play around with the coolness factor of it.



It sickens me a little, if people actually find that scene "cool" or fun to play. I'm not sure though if that attitude is merely juvenile rebellion or something akin to what leads to high school massacres.

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fairandbalancedfan wrote...
I don't know why you bothered replying when your reply made no sense in the context of my previous posts.


I think I did, unless I misinterpret your post. You are saying the American is kicking up fuss and compare to the other events and reaction to the other part of the world. I'm pointing out that there are reason why the American kicking up the fuss, and they would not be the only one doing it. American react to 9/11 because it happens on their soil, the Indian will react to the Mumbai incident because it happens on its soil, the Japanese will react to the Akihabara Massacre because it happened on their soil, it's not a "unique" feature among the American. But you're right, I should not have mention our previous topic discussion, the reason I brought that up because it strike me as implying the same tone, which I find myself in great disagreement. If that's not what oyu mean, than maybe it's my own bias reaction toward your post, and I would appology for that.


Sure, not everyone will react to it and I don't think that's what I'm arguing about. As far as what is in MW2, I'm neither against or favor it. As long as one keep the reality switch check it's not a problem. But of course I'm saying this as someone who have never had any incindent with a terrorist.

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Operative84 wrote...
I agree with you on the DC area I'm just referring to airports, security personel have settled in and become complacent, to me it seems those types of jobs should be reserved for prior service or prior law enforcement(yeah there are plenty of d-bags in the service, but for the majority it'd be better), but hey got to have a lazy fatbody goofing off expecting the machines to do all the work at security gates. Yeah attempting to do such at lets say Fayetteville airport next to Bragg, yeah that'd be suicide, and short lived.


Sometime there is a difference between what supposed to happen and what actually happening. For example, for all of my visit to Denver Internation Airport (DIA) I have always seen a the same stiff level of security. There are always uniformed security guards who check every single passenger before they let them into the terminal.


A few years ago I had to go to California to attend my grandfather funeral, and I was interested to see how the security at Los Angeles airport (LAX) looks like consider it even bigger in size. On my return trip though ... I was horrified at how bad the security check in was. In DIA the agents look like they're trained operatives from a security firm, in LAX at the same check point it has what I think looks like college student working on part time job. They happilly talked to each other like a chatte bunch, and when I approach the check point, I was prepared to be checked like I did at DIA, but they told me "just go ahead you're ok". They just push my stuff through the scaner and I wonder if anyone actually looked at the screen. Consider this is one of the two "entrance airport" to the US, my impression was just simply "WoW".



I don't use LAX often, and maybe I caught them on a bad day. But the conclusion I draw is that if someone wanted to smug in a bomb that day, they could have ... easily.

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MightySword wrote...

fairandbalancedfan wrote...
I don't know why you bothered replying when your reply made no sense in the context of my previous posts.


I think I did, unless I misinterpret your post.


I clearly stated it is 'some' Americans kicking up a fuss. And they are. And I replied to Operative84 that it is O.K. to kick up a fuss, because I don't expect everyone to conform to my opinion.