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#151
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Any0day wrote...

I'm just kind of tired of these threads - especially the ''straight gamer vrs the homosexual gamer." Just look what it's made our game into! They made every single character in the game swing both ways - I have gay friends who think this is entirely ridiculous!


Yes.  I'm sure your imaginary gay friends think it is "entirely ridiculous" 

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Wra1thstouch wrote...

Any0day wrote...

I'm just kind of tired of these threads - especially the ''straight gamer vrs the homosexual gamer." Just look what it's made our game into! They made every single character in the game swing both ways - I have gay friends who think this is entirely ridiculous!


Yes.  I'm sure your imaginary gay friends think it is "entirely ridiculous" 


It's a summoning spell, it's Credibility magic, we don't get that in the DA games.

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Carfax wrote...

The only problem about having such awesome hardware though, is that there's a dearth of games that will take advantage of the latest technology due to the rise of consoles.

Crysis 2 was a big let down.  When I found out that the game wasn't even going to ship with DX11, I was dismayed; despite the game running beautifully at max settings (I have a great config if anyone wants it)..  Although I must admit that I was irritated by the fact that I had to wait 3 years to be able to play Crysis at 2560x1600 maxed with comfortable frames, I still wish Crysis 2 would have been more like it's predecessor in how it brought even the most powerful rig to it's knees.

If Crytek can release a DX11 patch a long with a hefty texture upgrade pack, then Crysis 2 could be rescued.  If not, I suppose we'll have to wait on Battlefield 3 to really stress our rigs!

Not that I'm a PC elitist mind you.  Some of the best games I've ever played were on consoles or ported from consoles (ie Mass Effect)..

Anyway, what games are you guys/gals playing right now, and what games are you most looking forward to? 
Right now I'm playing Dragon Age 2 (still haven't beaten it yet), and Crysis 2.  Looking forward to the Witcher 2!!  That game will rule! Posted Image

Batman Arkham City is also very high on my priority list.  It's predecessor Batman Arkham Asylum was one of the best games I've ever played.  I don't even read comics, but I found myself gaining an interest in Batman after playing the game.

And it had PhysX!  I hope Batman Arkham City uses PhysX as well!


It's true - I'll have to wait awhile until I use it to it's full potential.  I just can't resist the shiny :D

I have the Witcher enhanced edition in my "to play" pile.  Finished Deadspace 2 - it was awesome, but kinda short. Scared the hell outta me in several spots tho!

I'm really looking forward to Rage and Skyrim..... Not a big fan of realistic Battle/War type games but I LOVED Batman Arkham Asylum and look forward to Arkham City big time...

And then there's always SWTOR and ME 3 ---- so many games, so little time.....

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mrcrusty wrote...

Pssh, overclocking is for newbs.

Real men underclock.

:P

My x4 955 can still stay at 3 Ghz with only 1.15v.

Though I overclock it for 24/7 use. (3.8 Ghz/1.475v).

I also overclock the Northbridge.

<-- PC nerd & proud.

^_^



I think we should make a t-shirt!  "Real men/women underclock!"  Posted Image

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Never is always a bad word to use.

Some feminists are quite critical of  female porn stars, and women enjoying porn, in general.

Others aren't so critical of the porn industry....   it's really kind of random.



It's interesting how initially, female feminists were in the forefront in the "let the porn loose" movement. Now the most vocal opponents of pornography is... feminists.

I think its amusing because today the most vocal proponents of legalizing prostitution are... feminists. I wonder if if they start legalizing prostitution you'll see feminists in 20 years demanding that it become illegal again. I suppose they see prostitution being illegal as "patriarchal tyranny", being the big bad white man telling women what they can or can't do with their bodies. Im not saying they are completely wrong or anything mind you, it's just some food for thought.

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Dokarqt wrote...

Seena wrote...


Never is always a bad word to use.

Some feminists are quite critical of  female porn stars, and women enjoying porn, in general.

Others aren't so critical of the porn industry....   it's really kind of random.



It's interesting how initially, female feminists were in the forefront in the "let the porn loose" movement. Now the most vocal opponents of pornography is... feminists.

I think its amusing because today the most vocal proponents of legalizing prostitution are... feminists. I wonder if if they start legalizing prostitution you'll see feminists in 20 years demanding that it become illegal again. I suppose they see prostitution being illegal as "patriarchal tyranny", being the big bad white man telling women what they can or can't do with their bodies. Im not saying they are completely wrong or anything mind you, it's just some food for thought.



Actually, I'd say christians and other religious groups were.

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Seena wrote...


Actually, I'd say christians and other religious groups were.


I don't know about that. Im swedish and religion doesn't really exist around here.

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Dokarqt wrote...

Seena wrote...


Actually, I'd say christians and other religious groups were.


I don't know about that. Im swedish and religion doesn't really exist around here.


Is it bad that I think of the swedish chef from the muppets whenever something about sweden pops up?

Bork! Bork!

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Gotholhorakh wrote...

Wra1thstouch wrote...

Any0day wrote...
I'm just kind of tired of these threads - especially the ''straight gamer vrs the homosexual gamer." Just look what it's made our game into! They made every single character in the game swing both ways - I have gay friends who think this is entirely ridiculous!

Yes.  I'm sure your imaginary gay friends think it is "entirely ridiculous" 

It's a summoning spell, it's Credibility magic, we don't get that in the DA games.

Gay members of the forum have posted expressing that they think it's stupid. A couple even posted saying they found it offensive. Of course, others also posted saying they liked it.

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neppakyo wrote...

Is it bad that I think of the swedish chef from the muppets whenever something about sweden pops up?

Bork! Bork!


You would not be the first.

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Seena wrote...

Nice overclock -  looks like you're getting the max out of your setup. I'm not super familiar with the AMD processors - although a close friend swears by them, and won't use anything else... 

 Who says  PC gaming is dead?!?!?!?!!?  Posted Image


Thanks! Your system makes me drool tho. I'd pimp myself out on the street corner for it lol.

Yeah, pretty much maxed it out, anymore and I think it would catch on fire. I like AMD, although not as much since they bought out ati and got rid of nvidia chipsets :( I'll have to check out the new gen of AMD to see if i'll stick with them.

And to the PC gaming is dead part, mostly console users say that, dunno why. While back EA even stated that the future of gaming was on the PC, just too lazy to find the article with that quote.

Uhh, what was the topic again? I forgot.. Something about sexy i think. *looks to his PC, and thinks sexy*


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Seena, I'm just saying - think you went a little overboard on the memory. Only reason I say that is because of heat and the torture of overclocking successfully with that much ram.

I'm on a crappy msi mobo (all I had at the time and too lazy to tear it apart to replace), with a 980x, corsair ax1200, with corsair 6gb ddr3 1866 ram, crossfired 2 ati 4gb hd 5970

Overclocked the cpu to 5.1ghz - although the 980x is like a cheap hooker, pay enough it will do anything you want.
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#162
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neppakyo wrote...

Is it bad that I think of the swedish chef from the muppets whenever something about sweden pops up?

Bork! Bork!


Yes, it is.  You should be thinking about Niklas Lidstrom instead.

In fact, if Lidstrom were offered as a LI, I might not have been so put off by the idea of unsolicited homosexual overtures from the NPC's.

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the_one_54321 wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Wra1thstouch wrote...

Any0day wrote...
I'm just kind of tired of these threads - especially the ''straight gamer vrs the homosexual gamer." Just look what it's made our game into! They made every single character in the game swing both ways - I have gay friends who think this is entirely ridiculous!

Yes.  I'm sure your imaginary gay friends think it is "entirely ridiculous" 

It's a summoning spell, it's Credibility magic, we don't get that in the DA games.

Gay members of the forum have posted expressing that they think it's stupid. A couple even posted saying they found it offensive. Of course, others also posted saying they liked it.


I'm offended that that this supposed couple found it offensive!  

Actually, I feel sorry for that couple (if they exist) because it sounds like they might be self-loathing.  Why would a gay hate themselves for being gay? Why would they hate an option that you never have to select in-game?  Think on it.  Maybe it's from growing up around narrow-minded bigots.  Or maybe they're fake.

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I have elf friends who were deeply offended by the portrayal of elves in the game. Please do not doubt I have elf friends, that my elf friends felt as I have indicated, and that I, a non-elf, am qualified to tell you what they feel and think without adding my own biases or interpretations.

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neppakyo wrote...

Dokarqt wrote...

Seena wrote...


Actually, I'd say christians and other religious groups were.


I don't know about that. Im swedish and religion doesn't really exist around here.


Is it bad that I think of the swedish chef from the muppets whenever something about sweden pops up?

Bork! Bork!



Muppets rule!

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Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...


Yes, it is.  You should be thinking about Niklas Lidstrom instead.

In fact, if Lidstrom were offered as a LI, I might not have been so put off by the idea of unsolicited homosexual overtures from the NPC's.



So who do we think about in order to not be put off by the unsolicited sexual overtures from the opposite sex NPCs?

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Seena wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...


Yes, it is.  You should be thinking about Niklas Lidstrom instead.

In fact, if Lidstrom were offered as a LI, I might not have been so put off by the idea of unsolicited homosexual overtures from the NPC's.



So who do we think about in order to not be put off by the unsolicited sexual overtures from the opposite sex NPCs?


Your own mom.

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Dokarqt wrote...

Seena wrote...


Actually, I'd say christians and other religious groups were.


I don't know about that. Im swedish and religion doesn't really exist around here.


Well the femininsts in the US are still battling you know - for equal pay, to preserve their right to choose... we leave the porn debate to the religious nuts.

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Ringo12 wrote...

Seena wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...


Yes, it is.  You should be thinking about Niklas Lidstrom instead.

In fact, if Lidstrom were offered as a LI, I might not have been so put off by the idea of unsolicited homosexual overtures from the NPC's.



So who do we think about in order to not be put off by the unsolicited sexual overtures from the opposite sex NPCs?


Your own mom.




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Wra1thstouch wrote...
Actually, I feel sorry for that couple (if they exist) because it sounds like they might be self-loathing.

This was one of the general romance threads repeating the complaints and responses to the all gay all dancing all horney cast of characters.

The explanation as I understood it is that they were offended that homosexuality was reduced to a plot device so inconsequential that it changes based on whatever gender the player is.

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Any0day wrote...


Seena, I'm just saying - think you went a little overboard on the memory. Only reason I say that is because of heat and the torture of overclocking successfully with that much ram.

I'm on a crappy msi mobo (all I had at the time and too lazy to tear it apart to replace), with a 980x, corsair ax1200, with corsair 6gb ddr3 1866 ram, crossfired 2 ati 4gb hd 5970

Overclocked the cpu to 5.1ghz - although the 980x is like a cheap hooker, pay enough it will do anything you want.
Everything is cooled with a Zalman.



The Sandy Bridge runs very cool -  and the Patriot memory has a 6gm copper cored heatspreader which is pretty efficient..  Maingear did the overclocking on the CPU (I am by no means an overclocking expert - not even close...) - don't plan on doing any further tweaking at this point cuz she runs so sweet..

I do a lot of video editing which is why I went with the 16 not the 8.  May be overkill -  but I'd rather have too much than too little Posted Image

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the_one_54321 wrote...

Wra1thstouch wrote...
Actually, I feel sorry for that couple (if they exist) because it sounds like they might be self-loathing.

This was one of the general romance threads repeating the complaints and responses to the all gay all dancing all horney cast of characters.

The explanation as I understood it is that they were offended that homosexuality was reduced to a plot device so inconsequential that it changes based on whatever gender the player is.


Ya well one guy wanted the desire demons to trigger m/f depending on your LI choice.

you can't make everyone happy - malcontents are everywhere.

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Suprez30 wrote...

Well bioware  need to create a standard . Because not only you will be playing this game .So i guess it's easier to create what someone expect to be attractive  for both gender.I understand this .

BUT

 It's when they shove it in your face (Miranda Ass) . It's downgraded her personality and i can't take her seriously anymore after that.They shove it in ours face enough(The media) of what we should ideolize/worship i don't want it in my face when i play game.




Maybe if you wore lifts in your shoes her ass wouldn't be face level...

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This thread has really exploded since last time.

For what it's worth, I don't think it's fruitful to bring 'feminism' into this, particularly not as a scapegoat.  It's become a very broad umbrella which accommodates a variety of people from honest-to-god sincere civil rights activists to the kind of people who think that "Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience."[1], so as a label "feminist" is diluted and useless.  If you identify yourself as a 'feminist' you're probably the kind of person who thinks that the resulting misunderstandings are always the fault of the other person for not knowing that 'your brand' of feminism is the 'correct one' (in your mind).

[1] Catherine Comins, Vassar College Assistant Dean of Student Life

Men aren't being sexually objectified like women are in the media.  Most
of those images are actually made for the male audience as an image of
what a "man" should be


  This post is highly illustrative of what the underlying problem is.  When a circumstance C applies to groups A and B independently, it should be intuitively understood that any consequence to A is also a consequence to B.

Instead, what happens is that any circumstance applied to women is explained as indicating oppression of women, while the same circumstance when it applies to men is said to indicate male superiority.

Case in point,  magazines "give the female audience an image of what a woman should be".  Outside of this thread I'll tell you almost anyone will say that's "trying to control what 'women should be' and therefore sexist".  But when you put men in the exact same situation where you're dictating to men what they're supposed to be, bam, "no, it's actually helpful for men".  Sure.

This has been a good thread for me, thanks in particular to a few posters.  It's hard to believe the amount of "why shouldn't the characters look good" and "why are you complaining about the breasts" when, specifically to avoid that, I explicitly said in the OP this thread had nothing to do with the old breast-size complaints.  I'm not a feminist or a gender studies student, and how you'd get that idea to begin with is beyond me because they'd probably disagree with me on everything, violently.  Personally, I think this thread's peaked and it's all downhill from here, time to euthanize.

See you next mission.