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[JeffZero]

To me, both designs look great.

But I definitely agree with Aris in that Jack's original design struck me as far less objectifying than Samara's.

[GodWood]

Judging from the breast on the right hand side of the picture she's not an A cup.

(I dunno why there's a blue cirlce)

[Nope Dot Avi]

GodWood wrote...



Judging from the breast on the right hand side of the picture she's not an A cup.

(I dunno why there's a blue cirlce)

Stay classy, BSN.

[vvDRUCILLAvv]

Duchell wrote...

Great job on the hair styles! My favorite is 10.

[vvDRUCILLAvv]

They Call Me Tim wrote...

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Duchell wrote...

Great job on the hair styles! My favorite is 10.

For me it's 4, but they still need to add moar bewbies! Dx

*Facepalms*

[Slayer299]

I'd go with #10, that seems to fit Jack best to me.

I'd say some people in this thread need to grow up but that isn't happening so I'll just go with be quiet with the stupid "bewbie" comments. If you want that I'm certain you can find more of it *elsewhere*.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Well, there already is ME3 concept art for Jack:

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

The ponytail suits her. And what she is wearing looks badass. I would be happy if she was like this in game.

Also, there seems to be enough boob enlargement as it is without adding Jack to the list. The whole point of Jack is that she isn't overly sexualised, because she doesn't give a s*** about looking 'conventionally' good.

Besides, her face looks far better than any other female in the Mass Effect series.

[Hillbillyshep]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

The ponytail suits her. And what she is wearing looks badass. I would be happy if she was like this in game.

Also, there seems to be enough boob enlargement as it is without adding Jack to the list. The whole point of Jack is that she isn't overly sexualised, because she doesn't give a s*** about looking 'conventionally' good.

Besides, her face looks far better than any other female in the Mass Effect series.

Well, she very most much likely is.

The headshot, if you pardon the pun is clearly a render.

[PrinceLionheart]

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Duchell wrote...

Great job on the hair styles! My favorite is 10.

#4 is my favorite. It's the style I wish Bioware would've went with.

[Gokuthegrate]

Jack's new look is perfect for her. Her attractiveness comes from not trying to wh0re her self up and her badass attitude. Hopefully we will get into some crazy sh!^ with her in ME3.

Modifié par Gokuthegrate, 18 novembre 2011 - 07:07 .

[PrinceLionheart]

Jack didn't try to **** herself out? For the first half of the second game she was only wearing a bra and even propositioned Shepard. (I know there's character development later, I'm just sayin.)

[Asenza]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Jack didn't try to **** herself out? For the first half of the second game she was only wearing a bra and even propositioned Shepard. (I know there's character development later, I'm just sayin.)

And I'm just saying that sex or biotics is all anyone, male or female has ever wanted from Jack up until that point, so when Shepard continued to go down to the engineering subdeck to see her without ever broaching the subject, she's confused and antsy about it and dislikes the feeling. So, to end it, she "propositions" Shepard in an attempt to figure out just what it is that he wants from her.

Miranda was wearing body paint. But while Miranda could be said to use or at least accentuate her figure to her advantage, Jack displayed hers as an outward sign of aggresson. "Yes I have scars and tattoos. And I dare wear this so you can see them. You really wanna mess with me?"

Modifié par Asenza, 18 novembre 2011 - 10:04 .

[Hekate]

Maaaaan, I so want a high quality version of this art. I want it!

[slimgrin]

Meh...Jack is there for adolescent kids that can identify with her half-baked personality.

Give me Samara.

Modifié par slimgrin, 19 novembre 2011 - 12:18 .

[android654]

Asenza wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Jack didn't try to **** herself out? For the first half of the second game she was only wearing a bra and even propositioned Shepard. (I know there's character development later, I'm just sayin.)

And I'm just saying that sex or biotics is all anyone, male or female has ever wanted from Jack up until that point, so when Shepard continued to go down to the engineering subdeck to see her without ever broaching the subject, she's confused and antsy about it and dislikes the feeling. So, to end it, she "propositions" Shepard in an attempt to figure out just what it is that he wants from her.

Miranda was wearing body paint. But while Miranda could be said to use or at least accentuate her figure to her advantage, Jack displayed hers as an outward sign of aggresson. "Yes I have scars and tattoos. And I dare wear this so you can see them. You really wanna mess with me?"

I couldn't agree with you more. It was always at the center of the character to dominate her space and make sure everyone around her knows it. She was never concerned with being sexually appealing or catering to someone else's idea of what "appealing"  may or may not be.

[Giant ambush beetle]

slimgrin wrote...

Meh...Jack is there for adolescent kids that can identify with her half-baked personality.

Give me Samara.

And Samara is for the kids who are after milfs. You can bad-mouth all characters and their fanbases if you want,  or you can GTFO and let people simply enjoy their favorite NPC's. 

[slimgrin]

The Woldan wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Meh...Jack is there for adolescent kids that can identify with her half-baked personality.

Give me Samara.

And Samara is for the kids who are after milfs. You can bad-mouth all characters and their fanbases if you want,  or you can GTFO and let people simply enjoy their favorite NPC's. 

I'm not bad mouthing, I'm assessing. Jack was made with teens in mind, it's obvious: the rebel without a clear cause - skimpy outfit, tatoos, dropping the F-bomb for added effect. She's an unruly teenager for those who can relate to that. That's cool. It means Bioware is trying to appeal to everyone, including their largest potential audience: teenagers. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 19 novembre 2011 - 01:39 .

[Giant ambush beetle]

slimgrin wrote..


I'm not bad mouthing, I'm assessing. Jack was made with teens in mind, it's obvious: the rebel without a clear cause - skimpy outfit, tatoos, dropping the F-bomb for added effect. She's an unruly teenager for those who can relate to that. That's cool. It means Bioware is trying to appeal to everyone, including their largest potential audience: teenagers. 

Maybe you haven't noticed yet that the whole game and every single character in it was made for a younger audience in mind, thats hardly a sceret, if thats what bothers you, why do you even play the game and what in the name of Satans testicles are you doing here? Simply trying to pester those who like the games content?
And do not forget that games are meant to entertain, to offer diversity, to make the audience feel excitement.
You need extremes to do that, with overly laid back, with simple and grounded every-day characters everything would get dull very quickly don't you agree?

Modifié par The Woldan , 19 novembre 2011 - 02:31 .

[slimgrin]

The Woldan wrote...

slimgrin wrote..


I'm not bad mouthing, I'm assessing. Jack was made with teens in mind, it's obvious: the rebel without a clear cause - skimpy outfit, tatoos, dropping the F-bomb for added effect. She's an unruly teenager for those who can relate to that. That's cool. It means Bioware is trying to appeal to everyone, including their largest potential audience: teenagers. 

Maybe you haven't noticed yet that the whole game and every single character in it was made for a younger audience in mind, thats hardly a sceret, if thats what bothers you, why do you even play the game and what in the name of Satans testicles are you doing here? Simply trying to pester those who like the games content?
And do not forget that games are meant to entertain, to offer diversity, to make the audience feel excitement.
You need extremes to do that, with overly laid back, with simple and grounded every-day characters everything would get dull very quickly don't you agree?

You lost me at the last sentence, but yeah, I agree with the rest.

[spirosz]

slimgrin wrote...

I'm not bad mouthing, I'm assessing. Jack was made with teens in mind, it's obvious: the rebel without a clear cause - skimpy outfit, tatoos, dropping the F-bomb for added effect. She's an unruly teenager for those who can relate to that. That's cool. It means Bioware is trying to appeal to everyone, including their largest potential audience: teenagers. 

So people like Mondo, Royce, and others from the older thread are rebellious teens without a clear cause?  Please, I'm all for arguing, but saying sh*t like that won't get you far.  Most gamers are not teenagers, you realize that right?  Here let me get a quote for you:

EDIT: sorry formatting

Mondo47 wrote...

Here is my take on the character, love or hate her, feel free to shoot it down in flames - it's just my opinion. Try to stay awake; it’s a long one

The 'norm' in RPGs is that a party is usually made up of coherent elements that function together from the first moment, or numerous non-cohesive ones that become cohesive by the climax of the story. The thing is, Jack is the only real non-cohesive element from moment one; everyone else settles into the Normandy, accepting Shepard's command almost without question and begins to focus on dealing with the Collectors (even looking at characters experienced with the darker side of Cerberus projects, they step right  up to the plate with no real assumption they might care beyond a simple "I'm here for you."), while Jack doesn't really want to come along at
all. There's no talk or assumption of loyalty after that; Shepard is Cerberus, wanting something from her again after they've taken pretty much everything there was to take. While everyone else trusts Shepard through experience or deeds, Jack never does. You have to earn her respect constantly. And boy is that an uphill struggle.

She makes no effort; she snarks her way through missions, displays character traits that are certainly sociopathic by throwing herself at Shepard sexually, displaying no remorse for previous misdeeds, explodes into casual threats of outright violence, etc. but utterly lacks the exterior charm, guile or panoply of lies of the textbook psychotic. Part of Jack is remorseless in its honesty; she takes crap from no-one and has a long memory where a potential betrayal is concerned. She's expecting it constantly, from any quarter. Even when being romanced, she's waiting for the knife in the back, and even if she begins to trust Shepard, no-one else is beyond suspicion.

Any vulnerability Jack has has been abused, almost every trust broken. Combine that with a childhood
that almost certainly would cause PTSD to the nth degree and deliberate attempts to condition her to enjoy conflict, violence and physical pain has resulted in the creation of a woman that vacillates between promiscuity and casual violence. None of it is her fault. She was made that way; constructed to order.

Comparisons to Miranda and Grunt are obvious; all were ‘made’ to be ultimates (however Miranda had the chance to break away and forge her own destiny, and Grunt is a success as an 'ultimate warrior' due to the advantage of being Krogan, but understands little of what it means to be Krogan before his Rite). Jack however is the failure; the incomplete cast-off, and has had no-one to make her think differently. No wonder she's so damn resentful to Miranda in particular. The Cheerleader (stereotype) is easy and uncomplicated to love, and in this case is more entrenched in the enemy camp than Shep proves to be. So who loves Jack? Someone did once, but he died, leading her to try and shut that door; not even someone that loves her despite the black hole she has spinning around inside can be counted on. Everyone uses her, or worse, everyone leaves her.

Jack is (and don't get me wrong - I like the character more than anyone else in ME2)a pretty unsubtle variation on the broken doll; she tries to fill the shoes of a femme-fatal by being a consummate and dangerous survivor who
accepts that people want her for her power or her body, but the armour of attitude, scars and ink are fairly transparent. She has patched herself back together a hundred times, but to the right eyes she is obviously still damaged. Or her implants are making her like that – either way it’s all sad (and if the experiments that made her are causing unchecked brain damage/eventual death she becomes doubly tragic). She's a character that needs love, moreso than the others who will cope just fine without it. Without it, Jack will continue to circle the drain
until it finally swallows her. It takes someone with a chair and a whip to get through the exterior of spikes to try it, and at the end of the day no-one can feel guilty about not wanting to try to tame the lion. Or being too challenged by it.

Jack makes you jump through hoops instead of just swooning on the spot, and probes Shep for his motivation for
helping her face her past and why the hell he/she keeps coming down to the arse-end of the ship to talk. Does he/she just want to **** me? Does he/she want to get me to trust them so they can just **** me over again? Does he/she want to help me, oh please, **** me no, not another ****ing Samaritan! In comparison, Tali has likely been carrying a torch for Shep for a while, lets face it. Miranda has respect for Shep's ability to command, his strength and charisma, and he can see more to her than the crafted perfection/cog in the machine she was made to be/became. Jack's not a romance of choice - **** off, I need to think. I think some people took this way too seriously (after some of the rabid digital savagings I’ve laughed at on this forum). I alwaystake the idea of romance in RPGs with a grain of salt. People just don't act like that/say things like that! They make me chuckle. Or make snarky comments *ahem*. When Jack showed up in Shep's loft with those big, sad eyes... I'll admit my icy cynic’s heart defrosted a little. Maybe I brought too many kittens home when I was a kid too? Or I just
prefer eyes over asses and scars.

"Maybe you're right, that I need..." is pure cliché (all it takes is the love of a good man/woman – a
trope I find a little distasteful\\blatantly sexist most of the time, but it is traditionally romantic), true, but so is the high-society gal wanting some hot action in the grimy old engine room and the sweet bookish girl pouncing on you like a praying mantis. All the love interests have their cliché factor. Clichés are clichés because we love them so; they're part of our storytelling heritage. This happened to be the one that spoke to me the most. Romances in RPGs tend to be pushovers; versions of Garrus's 'stress relief' dictum on the way to the final showdown with Baby Cthulhu, while Jack was a puzzle box that seems to have either put people off with its exterior, just frustrated them with its difficult nature. That is, more than anything else, what made her stand out. Her unconventional looks coupled with an abrasive attitude was going to make her only appeal to a section of the fanbase, sure, but boy does she polarise the ME fans! No other character in the series has done this so strongly. The people that dislike her say as much for the character as those that liked her, but those of us that have come out of the ME2 experience as Jack fans probably liked that one aspect over the others - the fact the character was strong, a survivor, but genuinely vulnerable. Not just another tough-as-nails bad girl. Not sitting in one camp or the other made her a more complete character than I at least expected from a video game, and one some of us certainly want to see more of.

Good job, Bioware. Ya'll can wake up now

Modifié par spiros9110, 19 novembre 2011 - 03:32 .