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[ReallyRue]

android654 wrote...

@Raycer x
She's got leather straps, a vynil top , and a leather shirt with a leather jacket. She's covered. If Samara, Mordin, miranda, Jacob, thane and Kasumi can survive with out it, then I'm sure she'll be fine with what she has. Also, no one touches the nipple straps. No one.

Too true. Most of the characters in ME2 have only a thin layer of spandex to protect them from bullets.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I'm more concerned about people not having some sort of slight alternate outfit for environments where the temperature is sub-zero or scorching, or where the atmosphere is toxic or too thin.

Even Thane's chest window bothers me there. Can't they have a variation where that is covered up, that only triggers on when he's in a harsh environment? Same for Jack... some spandex under-outfit would be fine, but you need a suit that can be hermetically sealed for certain situations.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 25 avril 2011 - 06:33 .

[Mister Ford]

MasterSamson88 wrote...

habitat 67 wrote...

Why does she need armor? Doesn't she have a biotic barrier?

A lot of fans want everyone to have armor and fully sealable suits.

It's a realism thing really, but despite that I still prefer the ME2 style where we got some pretty cool looking character outfits in exchange for a tiny bit of realism. 

Absolutely.

But people have complained about this so much that in ME3 we will probably end up with full heavy plate armor, head to toe, for every character, in every situation, and suddenly our squadmates will lose much of their personality -- all because people can't suspend disbelief and ignore  the lack of armor.

Jack wouldn't be Jack if she has to wear bland, generic armor like in ME1. If they want to design something for her that makes a little more sense in battle, that's fine, as long at it still fits with her character.  Can anyone imagine her wearing Onyx armor, or any of the other ones from ME1?

[KristinCousland]

Considering her loyalty mission was about dealing with her past - I feel it would be our of character for her not to soften up a bit.

I trust Bioware to get it right.

[lolwut666]

I don't see why people are so hung up on armor when shields and barriers do all the protecting ever since ME1.

Not to say that I'm against armor for teammates on ME3, but the reason to complain about it sounds rather hollow. It's like the players are presuming that they know the workings of the ME universe better than the writers themselevs.

[habitat 67]

Putting armor on a character who does not have a soldier background makes no sense to me.
There are squad members who have trained to fight without armor so why should they wear it now? For example, in Dragon Age, do you see the thieves and mages wearing full plate armor? How is this different?

[didymos1120]

Nyoka wrote...

As long as it fits the character, I'm fine with some protective wear.

For example, Jack shouldn't wear a space helmet like a soldier. However she may put on a gas mask or a respirator like those people who make graffiti use.

Well, in space, helmets are sort of....necessary, solider or not.  Not to mention you do kinda want full protection in toxic environs.

[Krimson_Wolf]

lolwut666 wrote...

lltoon wrote...

CannotCompute wrote...

I don't see any body armor in this pic, therefore it's not perfect.

Hahaha!

That picture is brilliant.

Agreed

[lolwut666]

But if barriers can protect from environmental hazards, why would the characters need armor? They just need a breather for place with little or no oxygen.

[didymos1120]

lolwut666 wrote...

I don't see why people are so hung up on armor when shields and barriers do all the protecting ever since ME1.

Because they don't.  Read the Codex. See Revelation. Etc.

[didymos1120]

lolwut666 wrote...

But if barriers can protect from environmental hazards, why would the characters need armor? They just need a breather for place with little or no oxygen.

Barriers don't. See previous comment.

[didymos1120]

yorkj86 wrote...

If Bioware followed its own lore regarding mass effect weapons, armor wouldn't protect against projectiles, either, just biotic barriers and kinetic barriers.

Actually, in the lore, it does.  Not alone, but nonetheless, it does provide a very useful layer of protection.  Barriers aren't perfect.  They don't stop all rounds, nor do they stop slower moving objects (not to mention, nor do they do a damn thing for temp, pressure, toxic environments, etc.).  Thus, armor.  Without armor, a round that was slowed but not stopped will, at best, severely injure you.  With, you might just get a minor injury or no even injury at all.  And sometimes even that is not enough.

Modifié par didymos1120, 25 avril 2011 - 10:41 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Nyoka wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Well, in space, helmets are sort of....necessary, solider or not.  Not to mention you do kinda want full protection in toxic environs.

Nah, a gasmask will do fine. It's practically a helmet, only more Jack-like.

I just can't figure a Jacklike helmet. You'll have to draw it for me.

The problem I personally have with a conventional soldier helmet is that it's off character for her, since she's like some over the top hardcore punk rebel without a cause. Kinda the opposite of a disciplined, obedient, generic alliance soldier. You have to paint Jack in a consistent manner and dress her up accordingly.

There are some places where you need a hermetically sealed suit, for wearing on worlds where the atmosphere is corrosive, or where radiation is too high... (I'm looking at you Haestrom. You cannot tell me that a layer of some kind of a protective cloth isn't necessary to keep from getting insta-sunburned, there). There were far more of these worlds in ME1, a lot of low atmosphere planets, or planets with... heat or cold problems. I'm not saying these will be back in ME3, necessarily (though a lot of people said they wanted open-planet-exploration back in some form), but they exist in the ME universe, so we can assume Jack might visit some place like that at some point. We can also assume she'd want a proper spacesuit for Normandy SR-1-style ship damage and evacuations.

There are two ways to achieve this: you can give her a skintight protective undersuit, which she could still put her normal outfit (or some version thereof) over. She could deck this out with cool, patterned graffiti, to make it her own. Sort of like the old jean jackets you'd see on punks, but all spaceified.

Or, if you wanted to go a different direction, I'd give her a super-old-school, jumpsuit-looking spacesuit. All beat-up and corroded, with a lot of obvious patches on it. Again, add some sprayed-on graffiti and stickers to personalize it. For this, I'd figure it was a suit she used a long time ago and stashed in a cache on some merc world... we go back to retrieve it.

And for her helmet? Think a 70s biker helmet, with a bunch of stickers or drawings on it... again, distressed to HELL, but still functional.

Alernately,



>_>

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 25 avril 2011 - 10:56 .

[didymos1120]

yorkj86 wrote...

No, armor wouldn't work. 

And you essentially just ignored everything I wrote about what armor is actually for lore-wise: mainly, greatly slowed but still potentially deadly projectiles.  Again: read the Codex. See Revelation. 

Modifié par didymos1120, 25 avril 2011 - 10:58 .

[Hydralisk]

ExtremeOne wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

She is a bad ass but oh thats right Bioware is out to erase ME 2  out of the ME Franchise 

Yes: they want to pretend like what's pretty much the biggest critical success they've ever had never happened.  Christ.

  













Then why aren't they telling us more about the ME 2 crew being in 3 . Oh and why does Jack need a retcon.  We will see once ME 3 comes out but If I am right about this . Bioware will hear from us ME 2 fans 

Its not a retcon, its called character development...geez.

Modifié par Hydralisk, 25 avril 2011 - 11:07 .

[android654]

Unless you're going to force everyone else who isn't Shep, Garrus, Zaeed and Grunt to put on armor, it seems ridiculous to put her in it. And no, Legion and buckethead doesn't count. I get she's wearing a suit to keep her alive, but armor doesn't protect you from the flu. Legion... well you can't put armor on armor.

Jack has the most casual attire of anyone on the Normandy, its also a huge part of her personality. If you remove that, you can't have the same personality or attitude wearing a soldier's uniform without seeming ridiculous.

[Elite Midget]

Mister Ford wrote...

Absolutely.

But people have complained about this so much that in ME3 we will probably end up with full heavy plate armor, head to toe, for every character, in every situation, and suddenly our squadmates will lose much of their personality -- all because people can't suspend disbelief and ignore  the lack of armor.

Jack wouldn't be Jack if she has to wear bland, generic armor like in ME1. If they want to design something for her that makes a little more sense in battle, that's fine, as long at it still fits with her character.  Can anyone imagine her wearing Onyx armor, or any of the other ones from ME1?

You imply that armor can't be unique or define a person. I have nothing against them wearing civie clothes on the Normandy or visiting highly populated planets. What I have against is them wearing overexualized clothing in space while characters like Shepard, who can be Biotic as well, has to wear full armor. Even than full armor Shepard looks much more awesome than any of the skintight wearing fools out in space.

[Iakus]

Elite Midget wrote...

You imply that armor can't be unique or define a person. I have nothing against them wearing civie clothes on the Normandy or visiting highly populated planets. What I have against is them wearing overexualized clothing in space while characters like Shepard, who can be Biotic as well, has to wear full armor. Even than full armor Shepard looks much more awesome than any of the skintight wearing fools out in space.

I could totally imagine Jack in a version of Miranda's AAP armor, but "altered" to suit her tastes. all graffitied up, a Cerberus symbol with a line through it, all deliberately designed to be insulting.  I could even see Miranda facepalming on first seeing it.

[android654]

Miranda looked horrible in Miranda's armor, not to mention her visor...

You guys do realize its fiction right? She can get away without wearing a spacesuit.

[Elite Midget]

Don't care if it's fiction. If my Biotic Shepard has to wear armor than so does my crew if they're going out into battle. You know unless they're morons than I hope they die and I get a better replacement.