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[Hyper Cutter]

JayTheWolf wrote...

 Agree. Especially with the hair. There are several different buns that femShep can wear, but they all look the same to me (even though I'm aware they're not). Shepard is a Spectre (in most cases), and even Captain Anderson acknowledges that she is no longer Alliance after ME2, so I don't think it's necessary for her to have a military haircut any longer. 

I want longer hair. I'm sick of having to choose from bun, pony, short, or buzz. She may be a soldier but damnit, that shouldn't stop character customization. On the ship, at the very least, I should be able to let my hair down. Literally and figuratively.

I've mentioned this before, but this is a exponentially bigger issue for men than women. Male hair options are literally "buzz cut" and "bald"...

[Fiery Phoenix]

Patrick Weekes' recent response to the point on gender acknowledgment:

http://pats-quinade....com/229049.html

As you can see, just about every single person who has replied to him DOESN'T support gender acknowledgment and would rather things stay as is. I'm not entirely sure I'm happy with this; I'd really like to see a few more gender-specific moments.

[Seboist]

More gender-specific moments are preferable. What's the point of playing as a female character if it's no different than a male one?

The Harkin and Batarian merc recruiter banters were highlights of playing as femshep.

[Senior Cinco]

I haven't read through the whole thread, so sorry for a repeat. Think of it as an agreement. I'm on my 5th playthrough, with my first eyecandy Femshep. I realized that she has no fem LI when she gets to ME2. I know this must have been brought several times. WTF I swear I'm going after Vasir this time.

PS: For those that posted a troll alert in the Romance Vasir Thread, please know that thread, and the above comment are a farce. Funny Ha Ha...So stop taking life so damn seriously.

[Captain Crash]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Patrick Weekes' recent response to the point on gender acknowledgment:

http://pats-quinade....com/229049.html

As you can see, just about every single person who has replied to him DOESN'T support gender acknowledgment and would rather things stay as is. I'm not entirely sure I'm happy with this; I'd really like to see a few more gender-specific moments.

Nice to see he read it and took onboard the points :happy:    Interesting to get perspectives outside the thread too.


Seems people would rather things kept closer between genders in this regard.   I can see why and as long as theres no gender confusion mix ups then im fine with it.  

When I had this in mind I was thinking of a scene like in Mass Effect 1 where you can reply to Harkin "Call me Princess again and you will be picking your teeth off the floor"     that was unique to her and was good interesting. Still this only caters to an option you pick so not everyone will see it.   Its a lot of time to create something unique and doing it a few times so that people can see it in every playthrough suddenly creates a lot of differences.   So perhaps keeping it as is now or further gender blind is the way to go.

Modifié par Captain Crash, 29 mai 2011 - 10:27 .

[Loup Blanc]

I support this thread. I don't think her body type needs be changed: she's perfect the way she is. I do agree her walking animation from ME1 needs to be brought back. In ME1 she was a pleasure to look at, especially with light armor, but in ME2 she moves like a cyborg.

Modifié par JL81, 29 mai 2011 - 03:43 .

[Yakko77]

Very well thought out list. This femshep fan hopes to see this happen in ME3. DA2 had the femhawke with a bit of swagger to "dem hips" but the bust sizes in DA:O and DA2 was always a bit on the excessive side so I hope ME3 doesn't go that route with femshep. A normal yet attractive and feminine femshep has been done pretty well IMO and is appreciated. I enjoy the "fan service" to a point but it tend to be overdone at times.

[ReallyRue]

JayTheWolf wrote...

 Agree. Especially with the hair. There are several different buns that femShep can wear, but they all look the same to me (even though I'm aware they're not). Shepard is a Spectre (in most cases), and even Captain Anderson acknowledges that she is no longer Alliance after ME2, so I don't think it's necessary for her to have a military haircut any longer. 

I want longer hair. I'm sick of having to choose from bun, pony, short, or buzz. She may be a soldier but damnit, that shouldn't stop character customization. On the ship, at the very least, I should be able to let my hair down. Literally and figuratively.

It would also be nice if the tied-back hairstyles weren't all so severe, with hair scraped off the face. A bit of a fringe or loose hair in some styles wouldn't be wrong, or a style like this -


-where the top half is tied back and the bottom half loose. And for the men to have some longer or more casual styles. There weren't any male hairstyles I liked in ME, whereas there were a couple or short/mid styles for femShep that looked good enough.

[JamieCOTC]

Here is Patrick Weekes' reply to the response on gender acknowledgment.

http://pats-quinade....com/229174.html

In a nutshell, most like the "gender blindness" when it comes to the actual character, but would like some sort of general acknowledgment of gender. Also, make Shepard more human, reguardless of gender. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 30 mai 2011 - 03:26 .

[JamieCOTC]

Also, while nothing is for sure until it's done there is this:



We also may be getting a new default femShep, not sure.

[Eshaye]

JamieCOTC wrote...

We also may be getting a new default femShep, not sure.

What was wrong with Jane? 

About Femshep's body, mentioned on another theread, the ONLY thing I'd like to see changed is her neck length. I understand this may be due to her armor, but it seems female models got these really long necks while males are normal. Can't the armors be changed to accomodate a shorter neck? 
I know I'm not the only one bothered by this.... 

EDIT: Also this thread is win. <3

Modifié par Eshaye, 30 mai 2011 - 03:49 .

[100k]

Eshaye wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

We also may be getting a new default femShep, not sure.

What was wrong with Jane? 

About Femshep's body, mentioned on another theread, the ONLY thing I'd like to see changed is her neck length. I understand this may be due to her armor, but it seems female models got these really long necks while males are normal. Can't the armors be changed to accomodate a shorter neck? 
I know I'm not the only one bothered by this.... 

EDIT: Also this thread is win. <3

Jane is hardly considered a default. She isn't marketed, uniquely modeled, and is almost never chosen from the custom set up by players. Hell, the only reason there is a default femShep is probably because they just needed one for the start up screen.

If BW does make a custom modeled femShep, I will be extremely happy!

[oddlittleturtle]

Adding my two cents:

First, I did not buy Mass Effect because of the dude on the cover. I bought the game because it said that the genre was sci-fi rpg, and it said that I could make choices. I shrieked aloud when I discovered that I didn't have to play a male character and still could enjoy the experience and be a hero as female. AND she wasn't oversexualized; and I could customize her appearance; and she had a voice! I have never played manShep since I have the option to play my own gender. It would have been awesome to know that I could play a female before hand. I might have bought the game sooner instead of digging it out of the $15 and under bin a year after it came out. FemShep in the ad campaign is not something that the fans should have to whine about to get. It should have been recognized from the beginning that not all women do "girly things".  There are those of us who cannot stand dresses or pink or glitter or chainmaille bikinis. I think we may be quite rare -- like albino squirrels or something -- but we do exist.

Second, I like the gender-neutralness of femShep. My husband calls me a tomboy for not knowing how to walk and sit in a dress and do general "girly" things or even liking "girly" things. (I'll take sci-fi and action/adventure over chick lit and the "For Women" channel any day of the week. I can't relate to most of that crap.)  I don't want to play an overly feminine character. My femSheps never wear a dress on a warship. It's out of character for them. And it's not practical from a gameplay stand point. I don't want to play an overly sexualized character. Flirting with Jacob right off the bat and not being able to spar with Garrus -- I didn't want to romance either of them -- really bothered me. I want to play a female badass who can stand on her own, who doesn't have time for "girly" crap. Acknowledgement of gender while playing is a nonissue for me -- however, at the same time, I will say that I did like telling Harkin off in Chora's Den and the ability to kill Darius after his remarks in Mass Effect and the interrupt for the merc on Omega in ME2. It was empowering. I think that too many of those moments would have felt contrived and over the top, so they should be kept to a mimimum -- although there may be more opportunities in the final game to do more than what was offered before.

Third, I like that her butt doesn't move like femHawke's when she walks or runs. That was one of the many flaws of DA2. FemHawke looked like a horse trotting when she walked. Who runs like that? Who would run like that in armor?? I have no problem with the way she sits either. As I said, my femSheps will not wear dresses on a warship. It makes no sense to me. I did like that femShep had her own dance animation in Mass Effect though. She kept doing the 'I don't wanna be here' dance in ME2. It was funny, but I miss the old animation.

Finally, I don't care about the hair.  It looks like plastic, yes, and that could use some more refining, but the options that are available are fine and practical for someone in the field and/or under fire. I especially don't want long hair if it's not pulled up. Not practical. At. All. The helmet which has to be pressurized for hostile atmospheres has to go over it.

Although this is not the thread for it, I will add  that I hope the female characters (be they squadmates or just NPCs) in ME3 get some practical armor and helmets with a SCABA interface. The designs for ME2 were very immersion-breaking and not practical in a science fiction setting. In my mind, I could not bring Jack with me to Tuchanka because of the radiation, and I could not bring anyone but Tali to the flotilla because everyone but Tali and Shepard had SCABA gear.

Modifié par oddlittleturtle, 30 mai 2011 - 07:43 .

[Eshaye]

oddlittleturtle wrote...

Although this is not the thread for it, I will add  that I hope the female characters (be they squadmates or just NPCs) in ME3 get some practical armor and helmets with a SCABA interface. The designs for ME2 were very immersion-breaking and not practical in a science fiction setting. In my mind, I could not bring Jack with me to Tuchanka because of the radiation, and I could not bring anyone but Tali to the flotilla because everyone but Tali and Shepard had SCABA gear.

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A hundred times YES THIS RIGHT THERE!  ^   
Really I wonder if BioWare was just trying to make us angry with those designs. I don't care if Jack wants to be semi naked on the ship but when she's out on a planet put some fricking gear on! With full helmet and not that silly mask, biotics have to use their power which drains them, do not tell me that in ME2 biotics can now hold a field to shield them for an unknown amount of time while exploring planets when it's not in the lore.... (read Ascension novel and now on Retribution). 

[Seboist]

Garrus AAP1 and Legion could be brought into the Flotilla without immersion breaking. =)

[chester013]

Thumbs up from me, I'm glad this thread wasn't shouting for a Barbie doll with a weapon like you see in so many other games and asks in a constructive manner for recognition that many of us enjoy FemShep and would like to see the same care and attention that went into the male model.

[Sora Shepard]

oddlittleturtle wrote...

Adding my two cents:

First, I did not buy Mass Effect because of the dude on the cover. I bought the game because it said that the genre was sci-fi rpg, and it said that I could make choices. I shrieked aloud when I discovered that I didn't have to play a male character and still could enjoy the experience and be a hero as female. AND she wasn't oversexualized; and I could customize her appearance; and she had a voice! I have never played manShep since I have the option to play my own gender. It would have been awesome to know that I could play a female before hand. I might have bought the game sooner instead of digging it out of the $15 and under bin a year after it came out.

This might more properly belong in a thread devoted to female ME players, rather than FemShep, but I wanted to post for the first time to agree with this wholeheartedly.  I am not a typical gamer for many reasons, but primarily because I am female.  I have always enjoyed roleplaying games, beginning a zillion years ago with the Perils of Rosella, and spent a lot of time on PernMUSH during its heyday (talk about geekitude, not to mention being a total dino) but then fell out of love with any sorts of games after that -- mostly because they all forced me to play as a guy and my imagination is just not good enough to suspend disbelief and immerse myself in a game as a male character. This probably does not make me any different from most male gamers who prefer to play as male characters.  

The only games I have played recently (and I have spent many, MANY hours playing these games) are the ME and Fallout series, for this reason. Both are games I bought for my husband, then essentially stole when I realized I could customize my character in ways that made the games great fun for me.  I have since become somewhat obsessed with ME, and am counting down the days until ME3 comes out.  I will definitely preorder.  If they ported the games to Mac I would order multiple copies for the Xbox AND my laptop (yes, I know it is available for PC, but I don't run Windows on my MacBook).

I am personally more concerned with immersive roleplaying choices than things like hairstyles and textures, although I agree that the hairstyles in both games generally suck.  In terms of game experience, I did feel that ME1 was more immersive and satisfying than ME2 both from a female perspective and in general.  I was a galactic badass, in charge, and everyone knew it.  Only a few people remarked on my gender in a negative way, and they were all ****s anyway (I would rather see more gender neutral interactions than get harassed, personally).  It was exactly how I thought people would react to a female Commander Shepard a couple of hundred years in the future.  The Kaidan romance storyline was, IMO, exceedingly well done -- it was intelligent and evolved naturally and was very appealing to women who consider themselves to be independent, self-sufficient, and smart.  (There's a reason why all of the Kaidan lovers LOVE him so very much. He seems like someone you would actually be interested in if you were a galactic badass and he was a member of your crew.) 

The experience in ME2 was not as satisfying in a number of ways.  The fact that you spend most of the game taking orders from TIM and Miranda was incredibly annoying to me; I don't think that this is a female-specific response, although Miranda may have annoyed me more than she would annoy a straight male gamer.  But I do feel like female gamers got the shaft when it comes to romances in ME2. (Note: I actually played ME2 first and then went back and bought ME1. Had I gone the other way the romances would have been irrelevant because my main chair stayed loyal to Kaidan.)  I couldn't romance Garrus because, well, he's Garrus, and Thane might have been an interesting character but I couldn't get past the fact that he looks like the creature from the Black Lagoon.  Most problematicaly, I couldn't even have a simple conversation with Jacob without sexually harassing him -- how totally out of character for Commander Shepard was that?  The Jacob problem, to me, really made me feel like the developers maybe didn't have a whole lot of love for female gamers, although I hope the problem was more a problem of miscalculation  than not caring or an actual "F you" to female characters.  At any rate, I find it impossible to believe that a woman wrote the FemShep/Jacob dialogue.

In terms of animations and other cosmetic issues, I liked FemShep's animations in ME1, even if her run was kind of girly when her weapons were holstered.  I can't figure out why I shuffle around looking downward and to the right all the time in ME2 (although my husband's ManShep has the same problem).  I wish there were better hairstyles. In ME3, it might even be nice to be able to change hair during the game (yes to Hanar hairstylist pls). I would not mind having a cool catsuit outfit option (so sue me -- I love clothes) to wear around the Normandy sometimes as long as I can keep my armor for battle (but no heels, and please, dear God, provide armor for my female squadmates -- I would even like to see better armor on Tali).   And Kaidan better have a good apology for how he treated me on Horizon.  That is all for now.

Modifié par Sora Shepard, 30 mai 2011 - 03:49 .

[Lord Exar]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Patrick Weekes' recent response to the point on gender acknowledgment:

http://pats-quinade....com/229049.html

As you can see, just about every single person who has replied to him DOESN'T support gender acknowledgment and would rather things stay as is. I'm not entirely sure I'm happy with this; I'd really like to see a few more gender-specific moments.

This was a great read.  I never left a comment, but it's really nice to see that BioWare is hearing us and really considering what we're saying.  Makes me really excited to get my hands on ME3.

[Captain Crash]

 @sora,  really nice post, thanks for taking the time to write that all down.   I agree whole heartedly with several of the issues especially with immersive roleplaying and prioritising.   Some the issues though arnt directly related to femshep though so thats why not alot has been drawn onto them in the OP.  


In terms of hairstyles looking at Ash we can see vast improvements!!  I hope this effort is put into femshep too. Especially since she's the protagonist and Bioware have no gone to lengths to market her 

Modifié par Captain Crash, 07 juin 2011 - 10:57 .

[Hedera]

Captain Crash wrote...
Especially since she's the protagonist and Bioware have no gone to lengths to market her 

UNTIL NOW :happy:

[MissMaster]

Speaking of marketing FemShep is there any news on the FemShep trailer?

[Siona]

oddlittleturtle wrote...

Adding my two cents:

First, I did not buy Mass Effect because of the dude on the cover. I bought the game because it said that the genre was sci-fi rpg, and it said that I could make choices. I shrieked aloud when I discovered that I didn't have to play a male character and still could enjoy the experience and be a hero as female. AND she wasn't oversexualized; and I could customize her appearance; and she had a voice! I have never played manShep since I have the option to play my own gender. It would have been awesome to know that I could play a female before hand. I might have bought the game sooner instead of digging it out of the $15 and under bin a year after it came out. FemShep in the ad campaign is not something that the fans should have to whine about to get. It should have been recognized from the beginning that not all women do "girly things".  There are those of us who cannot stand dresses or pink or glitter or chainmaille bikinis. I think we may be quite rare -- like albino squirrels or something -- but we do exist.

Second, I like the gender-neutralness of femShep. My husband calls me a tomboy for not knowing how to walk and sit in a dress and do general "girly" things or even liking "girly" things. (I'll take sci-fi and action/adventure over chick lit and the "For Women" channel any day of the week. I can't relate to most of that crap.)  I don't want to play an overly feminine character. My femSheps never wear a dress on a warship. It's out of character for them. And it's not practical from a gameplay stand point. I don't want to play an overly sexualized character. Flirting with Jacob right off the bat and not being able to spar with Garrus -- I didn't want to romance either of them -- really bothered me. I want to play a female badass who can stand on her own, who doesn't have time for "girly" crap. Acknowledgement of gender while playing is a nonissue for me -- however, at the same time, I will say that I did like telling Harkin off in Chora's Den and the ability to kill Darius after his remarks in Mass Effect and the interrupt for the merc on Omega in ME2. It was empowering. I think that too many of those moments would have felt contrived and over the top, so they should be kept to a mimimum -- although there may be more opportunities in the final game to do more than what was offered before.

Third, I like that her butt doesn't move like femHawke's when she walks or runs. That was one of the many flaws of DA2. FemHawke looked like a horse trotting when she walked. Who runs like that? Who would run like that in armor?? I have no problem with the way she sits either. As I said, my femSheps will not wear dresses on a warship. It makes no sense to me. I did like that femShep had her own dance animation in Mass Effect though. She kept doing the 'I don't wanna be here' dance in ME2. It was funny, but I miss the old animation.

Finally, I don't care about the hair.  It looks like plastic, yes, and that could use some more refining, but the options that are available are fine and practical for someone in the field and/or under fire. I especially don't want long hair if it's not pulled up. Not practical. At. All. The helmet which has to be pressurized for hostile atmospheres has to go over it.

Although this is not the thread for it, I will add  that I hope the female characters (be they squadmates or just NPCs) in ME3 get some practical armor and helmets with a SCABA interface. The designs for ME2 were very immersion-breaking and not practical in a science fiction setting. In my mind, I could not bring Jack with me to Tuchanka because of the radiation, and I could not bring anyone but Tali to the flotilla because everyone but Tali and Shepard had SCABA gear.

Allllllll of this.

[Darkhour]

I think these female character should be more muscular, very butch and have a buzz cut. Give her a wife beater when on the Normandy and plenty of arm tatoos. But real ones and not that silly grafity that Jack had. I'd like to see an actual female soldier and not Suzy Homemaker playing soldier dress up. Instead of being called Shepard she should be called Rodriguez.

[Lucky Thirteen]

PLEASE NO! BIOWARE! DO NOT CHANGE HER! DO NOT LISTEN!

What is this? Have we gone back in time?

Women must behave like this.
Women must look like this.
Women must walk like this.
Women must talk like this.
Women must sit like this.

People! Women don't have monsters living in a cave between their legs! I promise you!

I feel like crying reading some of the stuff in this thread.

I love the gender neutrality the way it is. I love the fact the galaxy doesn't try to treat her different because she's a woman. She's a woman who is a human being. She is not an alien within her own species.

As many of you have said, she is a unique and strong female protagonist that you hardly find in video games. It's like some of you want to undo all that makes her great.

PS: I loved the dress. I loved Shepard's reaction to it and behavior while in it. She's just not a girlie girl and I love that so much. I cracked up when I saw her sit in front of Garrus in that dress. I would have been disappointed if she closed her legs. I mean, it's not like he understands let alone gives a crap to be bothered by the way she's sitting.

[MissMaster]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

PLEASE NO! BIOWARE! DO NOT CHANGE HER! DO NOT LISTEN!

What is this? Have we gone back in time?

Women must behave like this.
Women must look like this.
Women must walk like this.
Women must talk like this.
Women must sit like this.

People! Women don't have monsters living in a cave between their legs! I promise you!

I feel like crying reading some of the stuff in this thread.

I love the gender neutrality the way it is. I love the fact the galaxy doesn't try to treat her different because she's a woman. She's a woman who is a human being. She is not an alien within her own species.

As many of you have said, she is a unique and strong female protagonist that you hardly find in video games. It's like some of you want to undo all that makes her great.

PS: I loved the dress. I loved Shepard's reaction to it and behavior while in it. She's just not a girlie girl and I love that so much. I cracked up when I saw her sit in front of Garrus in that dress. I would have been disappointed if she closed her legs. I mean, it's not like he understands let alone gives a crap to be bothered by the way she's sitting.

No mater what you say sitting with your legs open when you are wareing a dress is r.u.d.e. Why can't FemShep be stong and sexy? You don't have to pick one or the other, ya know.  I did not like the fact that my Shep ran like a football player. If I would have made her a bit sexier I would have. 

*unpopular opinion*

Modifié par MissMaster, 08 juin 2011 - 05:44 .