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[who would know]

100k wrote...

If BW does make a custom modeled femShep, I will be extremely happy!

[Raiil]

MissMaster wrote...

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

PLEASE NO! BIOWARE! DO NOT CHANGE HER! DO NOT LISTEN!

What is this? Have we gone back in time?

Women must behave like this.
Women must look like this.
Women must walk like this.
Women must talk like this.
Women must sit like this.

People! Women don't have monsters living in a cave between their legs! I promise you!

I feel like crying reading some of the stuff in this thread.

I love the gender neutrality the way it is. I love the fact the galaxy doesn't try to treat her different because she's a woman. She's a woman who is a human being. She is not an alien within her own species.

As many of you have said, she is a unique and strong female protagonist that you hardly find in video games. It's like some of you want to undo all that makes her great.

PS: I loved the dress. I loved Shepard's reaction to it and behavior while in it. She's just not a girlie girl and I love that so much. I cracked up when I saw her sit in front of Garrus in that dress. I would have been disappointed if she closed her legs. I mean, it's not like he understands let alone gives a crap to be bothered by the way she's sitting.

No mater what you say sitting with your legs open when you are wareing a dress is r.u.d.e. Why can't FemShep be stong and sexy? You don't have to pick one or the other, ya know.  I did not like the fact that my Shep ran like a football player. If I would have made her a bit sexier I would have. 

*unpopular opinion*

Sexy is relative. I find strong characters with incredible willpower to be highly attractive, regardless of whether they sit like Victorian schoolmarms or with both legs flapping in the wind.

I would rather keep femshep as she is now- even though I gave my suggestions earlier- then have her strut around and be more 'sexy', which seems to translate to 'socially-acceptably feminine' around here. Shepard's strength is in her determination to succeed and the raw power and force of will she- or hell, he- exudes, not whether she has nice calves or string-bean arms.

Modifié par Valentia X, 08 juin 2011 - 06:42 .

[LeVaughnX]

Female Shepard could use a new Voice Actress if possible...The current one sound's like she has a stick up her ass. No emotion, no real feeling, it was very dull to listen to Fem-Shep...Most of the people I know agreed.

So in short - get someone who has a better pitch range and someone who can use emotions better.

[blackashes411]

LeVaughnX wrote...

Female Shepard could use a new Voice Actress if possible...The current one sound's like she has a stick up her ass. No emotion, no real feeling, it was very dull to listen to Fem-Shep...Most of the people I know agreed.

So in short - get someone who has a better pitch range and someone who can use emotions better.

You're serious?

That's definitely not gonna happen. Not because I like her voice. But because replacing, not just any character's voice actor, but the PROTAGANIST'S voice actor whose been doing it for the PAST 2 GAMES just doesn't make sense AT ALL.

Modifié par blackashes411, 08 juin 2011 - 07:13 .

[Blooddrunk1004]

LeVaughnX wrote...

Female Shepard could use a new Voice Actress if possible...The current one sound's like she has a stick up her ass. No emotion, no real feeling, it was very dull to listen to Fem-Shep...Most of the people I know agreed.

So in short - get someone who has a better pitch range and someone who can use emotions better.

Troll harder please.
Just compare scenes when they are talking to Morinth, male. Shep is the one who lacks emotion.

Modifié par Blooddrunk1004, 08 juin 2011 - 07:12 .

[greed89]

LeVaughnX wrote...

Female Shepard could use a new Voice Actress if possible...The current one sound's like she has a stick up her ass. No emotion, no real feeling, it was very dull to listen to Fem-Shep...Most of the people I know agreed.

So in short - get someone who has a better pitch range and someone who can use emotions better.

I agree Completly [she is  usless as a paragon but works for a ****y renagade] but it wont happen unless Jenifer hale Died

Even if she wantd to leave iam sure she has a contract she couldnt get out of

Modifié par greed89, 08 juin 2011 - 07:14 .

[Captain Crash]

@LeVaughnX  & Greed89:  AS the OP states this isnt a thread to voice merits over voice actors preferences or to incite clearly negative reactions.  If you continue to post please refrain from this otherwise or post will be reported.

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

PLEASE NO! BIOWARE! DO NOT CHANGE HER! DO NOT LISTEN!

I feel like crying reading some of the stuff in this thread.

I love the gender neutrality the way it is ...

I think you missed large chunks of the OP, because I too support gender neutrality.  However some things you cant get around.  Such as obvious physical differences between male Shepard and female.  Using the same animation frame works for male Shepard but because femshep occupies a smaller space it causes clipping and bugs.   


In fact doesnt this go against gender neutrality as femshep is more prone to clipping issues and shows Bioware does indeed intend to work on maleshep more?   ITs fine supporting equality but its a two way street. Thus why this thread was created.


Anyway point #2, #3, #4 and #7  arnt related to gender neutrality at all and just are there to improve our overall experience.   Theres a lot more in there then simply gender neutrality.

Modifié par Captain Crash, 08 juin 2011 - 07:19 .

[Art3m]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

PLEASE NO! BIOWARE! DO NOT CHANGE HER! DO NOT LISTEN!

What is this? Have we gone back in time?

Women must behave like this.
Women must look like this.
Women must walk like this.
Women must talk like this.
Women must sit like this.

People! Women don't have monsters living in a cave between their legs! I promise you!

I feel like crying reading some of the stuff in this thread.

I love the gender neutrality the way it is. I love the fact the galaxy doesn't try to treat her different because she's a woman. She's a woman who is a human being. She is not an alien within her own species.

As many of you have said, she is a unique and strong female protagonist that you hardly find in video games. It's like some of you want to undo all that makes her great.

PS: I loved the dress. I loved Shepard's reaction to it and behavior while in it. She's just not a girlie girl and I love that so much. I cracked up when I saw her sit in front of Garrus in that dress. I would have been disappointed if she closed her legs. I mean, it's not like he understands let alone gives a crap to be bothered by the way she's sitting.

No, women mustn't. But what if women behaved like femShep in ME2? Duh! Aesthetically women are more elegant then men. Physiology, people. I doubt women express themselves like femShep in reality will attract men, seriously! Thx God they don't So, making femShep's animation to be actually women animation will imrove the game drammatically. I totally approve of this thread but still i chose SheplooB)

[Shinji2787]

I have to say I agree with the OP's points. To me the Mass Effect story is much more interesting and less "run-of-the-mill space marine saving the galaxy" when played as FemShep. I mean think about it seriously. How many other space marine games out there have female leads in a strong and believable manner? Don't get me wrong. I absolutely LOVE the Mass Effect series in every way. The story telling, the detail, the expansive world, and thats just icing on the cake to the already great gameplay. But when playing as MaleShep it just feels like another space marine game instead of a epic story with an unexpected and strong lead protagonist.

For me personally though the biggest improvements that can be made are animations unique to FemShep and dialog unique in regards to Shepard being a woman. Though I suppose the dialog bit is the most important imo. While I don't have a problem with characters sometimes addressing FemShep as "sir" (she is a Commander and of military background...) other times there could be dialog more suited to Shepard being a woman instead of just changing "him" to "her" in the same sentence. And some of the conversation choices are just downright ridiculous as was mentioned numerous times with Jacob. The only reason I kept Jacob alive was so I can bring him into ME3, otherwise I'd have let him died just so I don't have to hear my FemShep say "I'm more interested in just talking for a bit" in such a manner that it sounds like she wants to jump the guy.

I won't be surprised if FemShep doesn't receive lots of media attention or even canonical attention as BioWare has almost always stuck with a male protagonist as being canonically correct. Even back in Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic BioWare stated that canonically it was a male Revan. Despite this I am extremely happy that BioWare has taken steps to make the female protagonist in Mass Effect nearly identical to playing the male protagonist save a few relatively minor set-backs. Compared to KOTOR it is a huge improvement and I hope BioWare only continues to make playing FemShep an even better experience for fans in ME3. (begin personal biased 2cents) Because honestly. FemShep is just plain cooler than MaleShep. (end personal biased 2cents)

*edit*

Just saw some of the posts about a FemShep trailer in the works for summer?! AWESOME! Looking forward to it!

Modifié par Shinji2787, 08 juin 2011 - 08:23 .

[Hyper_gateway]

Given the natural of how woman think about matters she run in, I would love to see there will be different reactions.

Little thing like, she sighs a little when she feels sad, do a hair play when she feels bored.

Also on the Paragon, renegrad interrupts. Female's animation should be slight different since they may be physically as strong as Male. For example, male character will break enemy's neck like the one in Miranda's Loyal Mission, but as female, she kicks on the knee then zipped his neck....

Another idea is being Paragon and Renegrade will react differently, most Paragon shepard are tended to act more elegant, and Renegrade are more bold in response...

Here's are the idea I can come up so far

[Ladybright]

Hyper_gateway wrote...

Given the natural of how woman think about matters she run in, I would love to see there will be different reactions.

Little thing like, she sighs a little when she feels sad, do a hair play when she feels bored.

Also on the Paragon, renegrad interrupts. Female's animation should be slight different since they may be physically as strong as Male. For example, male character will break enemy's neck like the one in Miranda's Loyal Mission, but as female, she kicks on the knee then zipped his neck....

Another idea is being Paragon and Renegrade will react differently, most Paragon shepard are tended to act more elegant, and Renegrade are more bold in response...

Here's are the idea I can come up so far

I disagree completely.

The female animation should not be different in content during interrupts. We are not talking about an average woman's vs an average man's strength, we are talking about the strength of Commander Shepard, a trained military officer who is likely stronger and more capable than 99% of people she comes across irrespective of gender. Character class would be a better candidate for changing interrupts, since character class has a much, much larger role in how Shep fights and reacts than her gender. Interrupts aren't going to change.

My player experience would improve slightly if Femshep went back to ME1 animations, though I didn't mind her ME2 anims. My experience would not improve if Shepard suddenly started teasing her hair* or sighing dramatically during idle animations. Neither of those actions are inherently or inescapably feminine. I'd really, really like to avoid the type of female animations seen in DA2, for instance -- sashaying/flaily run, coquettish stretching, hips-out-boobs-out standing pose. Just because someone is female does not mean they automatically sit a certain way, move a certain way, or pose a certain way, ideas which seem to underpin a lot of the posts on this subject. Shep's animations over the past two games have shown her to be practical and economical of movement. Let's not change that now to make her more "feminine."**

I don't know how to feel about this thread because on the one hand, I would like to improve the female Shepard experience, but many of the suggestions presented would actively detract from my enjoyment.


*What about Shepards with no hair, a buzz cut, or a short crop?
**Femshep is female. Why isn't that enough for "femininity"? Why must we divide her up into "feminine" and "unfeminine," as if those words did anything other than reinforce stereotypes?

Edit: Reposting Lucky Thirteen's post, which I feel sums up my thoughts perfectly.

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

PLEASE NO! BIOWARE! DO NOT CHANGE HER! DO NOT LISTEN!

What is this? Have we gone back in time?

Women must behave like this.
Women must look like this.
Women must walk like this.
Women must talk like this.
Women must sit like this.

People! Women don't have monsters living in a cave between their legs! I promise you!

I feel like crying reading some of the stuff in this thread.

I love the gender neutrality the way it is. I love the fact the galaxy doesn't try to treat her different because she's a woman. She's a woman who is a human being. She is not an alien within her own species.

As many of you have said, she is a unique and strong female protagonist that you hardly find in video games. It's like some of you want to undo all that makes her great.

PS: I loved the dress. I loved Shepard's reaction to it and behavior while in it. She's just not a girlie girl and I love that so much. I cracked up when I saw her sit in front of Garrus in that dress. I would have been disappointed if she closed her legs. I mean, it's not like he understands let alone gives a crap to be bothered by the way she's sitting.

Art3mShepard wrote...

No, women
mustn't. But what if women behaved like femShep in ME2? Duh! Aesthetically women are more elegant then men. Physiology, people. I doubt women express themselves like femShep in reality will attract men, seriously! Thx God they don't So, making femShep's animation to be actually women animation will imrove the game drammatically. I totally approve of this thread but still i chose Sheploo[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

Yeah, well, y'know, that's just like your opinion, man. Also -- and this may be a shocker -- for some women, attracting men is not a #1 priority. Furthermore, different people are attracted to different things, up to and including expressions of gender. Make that two shockers.

Modifié par Ladybright, 08 juin 2011 - 01:52 .

[GunMoth]

I am a girl and I play femshep. I have read this thread from first post to last and it makes me realize how much I appreciate the Mass Effect fanbase. Everyone's arguements are - for the most part - intellegent and intriguing.  

DISPITE THE HUGE MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT SHEPARDS ANIMATIONS - GOOD GOD PEOPLE. *rageface* There is something called SEXUAL DIMORPHISM.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_dimorphism

Here is my two cents on the whole topic.

Character Animation vs. Feminine Body Language vs. "Dat little black dress" 
I do agree that they should return to the ME1 character animations simply for quality sake. 
For those of you who misinterpret this as "shepard should be more feminine", you need to take a deep breath and understand that no matter how butch or flamboyant someone's mannerisms are, they will always have features (not just boobies or manbits, but their muscular and skeletal make up) that will set them apart. Even the most convincing transgenders can be picked out of a crowd because of their hip bones or jawline. 

For people using the whole "I'm a tom boy and I sit like that! Do not change it!" arguement, I understand where you're coming from. However, Shepard is not a tom boy. She is not a princess. She is supposed to be a completely blank slate from which the player can build upon. IMO: The whole thing that can solve this debate is variety and androgyny. Shepard shouldn't sit with her legs wide open, not because we should be ashamed of our vaginas but because its hard for some of us to project ourselves onto her. I'm not saying she should lean towards one gender or the other, but she should be somewhere in the middle. This way, our dialog choices and physical attire could be the things that really shape her. I think (and I hope) that with the addition of new armors in the game, that they bring back an assortment of more sleak / powerful looking armors and more casual/dressy attire. I don't think they should make any of the newer outfits hypersexualized per say (since it could insult a lot of people and make some of us want to take the game less seriously). I just wouldn't mind something like Kasumi's armor. Then again, I also really like big bulky armor that makes you look like a mech. :X I'm weird. I'm all over the gender spectrum now that I think about it. I like to look pretty, but I also like to blow stuff up and headbut krogans. Hm.

Femshep in le media. 
At first I had no real opinion on this. I completely understand why they put male shep on the cover of the games. Yes, there is a large male demographic. However, I began to realize that for a game that is constantly trying to appeal to a larger fan base, I'm sure a lot of females who play games that do not realize there is a gender select would jump on this game if they knew they had the choice. I am one of these girls. While I enjoy scifi, I always just chalked up Mass Effect to be another Space Marine game - more like Gears of War. It wasn't until a coworker of mine explained that it was developed by bioware and that I could create my own character to immerse myself within the story that it truly made me want to be involved. It made me a hardcore fan and I am pleased to say that I am getting the CE version on ME3 ! 

So in conclusion, even throwing femshep on the back of the box with a caption "CREATE YOUR OWN COMMANDER" could draw a lot of attention from females or even new male fans who like the option. 

ALSO: I think these changes should be available to male shep as well. 

CHECK THESE OUT GUYS
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Modifié par GunMoth, 08 juin 2011 - 08:53 .

[GunMoth]

Modifié par GunMoth, 08 juin 2011 - 08:55 .

[JamieCOTC]

I'm sorry, but the jog reminds me of a linebacker running back to the huddle and the head down is even worse. Regardless of gender Shepard is confident and strong. The jog does not scream confidence or strength. In fact, it reminds me of an old military saying, "Keep your head down and don't volunteer for anything." That's not Shepard.

[Blze001]

Shepard's run in ME2 looked like a cross between a gorilla and a linebacker with a jock-strap wedgie. It looked terrible on both Shep's, but especially on FemShep.

If they change that and nothing else, I'll be satisfied.

[Eshaye]

MissMaster wrote...

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

PLEASE NO! BIOWARE! DO NOT CHANGE HER! DO NOT LISTEN!

What is this? Have we gone back in time?

Women must behave like this.
Women must look like this.
Women must walk like this.
Women must talk like this.
Women must sit like this.

People! Women don't have monsters living in a cave between their legs! I promise you!

I feel like crying reading some of the stuff in this thread.

I love the gender neutrality the way it is. I love the fact the galaxy doesn't try to treat her different because she's a woman. She's a woman who is a human being. She is not an alien within her own species.

As many of you have said, she is a unique and strong female protagonist that you hardly find in video games. It's like some of you want to undo all that makes her great.

PS: I loved the dress. I loved Shepard's reaction to it and behavior while in it. She's just not a girlie girl and I love that so much. I cracked up when I saw her sit in front of Garrus in that dress. I would have been disappointed if she closed her legs. I mean, it's not like he understands let alone gives a crap to be bothered by the way she's sitting.

No mater what you say sitting with your legs open when you are wareing a dress is r.u.d.e. Why can't FemShep be stong and sexy? You don't have to pick one or the other, ya know.  I did not like the fact that my Shep ran like a football player. If I would have made her a bit sexier I would have. 

*unpopular opinion*

@Lucky Thirteen.
Hmmmm sorry but a strong capable woman who can kick a*s is also perfectly able to close her legs while sitting in a dress. How is that diminishing her in any way? 

Calling for Femshep to get her own feminine animations isn't asking for her to strut around like a slu*t or act like Miranda (as much as I like Miri...) she should still exude that power and confidence but equalling her to a jock and reducing her to use the same animations as male Shepard is lazy and affirms that Femshep is secondary and not in need of as much attention as Sheploo, or hell most of your companions. 

Feminity does not equal pin up material. Capablity and strength does not equal I have no idea how to wear a dress. Even if Femshep does not usually wear one you don't sit like a 5 year old in one, she may not cross her legs but you still have the mind to close them. Unless she's trying to go Basic Instinct and mind frack dudes... Which totally goes against the behavior you want for her anyway.. 

And Miss Master I also didn't like the fact that Shep ran like a football player, but I can deal with it better then the sitting issue. FemShep somehow had a lot more grace in ME1 which got thrown out of the window in ME2. 
Now that we know these things have been worked on I can't wait to see how this all works out. 

edit: On a personal note I rage about this stuff because I am a woman who has worked in kitchen most of her working carreer. I am strong, capable and look pretty. When I first applied to a cooking position at a restaurant they tried to convince me to be a server because I was attractice, I told them to put me in the kitchen or I will walk somewhere else. I have had to put up with stereotypes, bad colleague pick ups, harassment, being passed over for promotions even though I do a better job, being patronized ect... 
I've had to excel above everyone else just to prove that even though I have a vagina, wear lipstick and pin up my hair under my hair net I can still serve the best food efficiently and kick everyone's butt in my presentation.

So stuff your stereotypes. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 09 juin 2011 - 12:59 .

[Mann42]

All 4 of my playthroughs are with FemShep, and I greatly support the spirit of this thread and have a few agreements and opinions to toss in (I'm mainly replying to the OPs points, not making my own):

1) Better Animations: I agree with this as long as she doesn't become overly sexualized. I want her to be animated like a confident, bad ass space marine who has spent the entirety of her adult life in the military, just with the appropriate biological gait. If they throw in mannerisms like the toe-twirling or bouncing of Lady Hawke, I will scream and throw my controller at my Xbox. 

2) FemShep Screenshots: I totally agree with this. I think the statistic thrown around was that ~20% of players play as FemShep, but it is still a ridiculous marketing strategy to not try and sell DLC items to people that play as FemShep. Do you not want our money, Bioware? 

3) Script/Dialogue for Romances: Yes, this, but I think Jacob is really the main problem I (personally) had with the romance options for FemShep. I did like the fact that I could be up front and hit on him if I wanted. I disliked the fact that it felt like I was being railroaded by the options to not just hit on him but try and jump his bones in the first dialogue. Give me a clear choice; don't force the issue. However, I don't think this problem is exclusive to FemShep, is it? 

Yeah, and the later dialogue in Jacob's romance was... awkward. 

4) Hair and Textures: Looking at Ashley's new hairstyle, it's pretty obvious they wanted to show off the changes they are making to hair. It already looks significantly better, and if they can give that rendering to the existing hair styles (and of course even more options!) then I'll be pretty happy. 

5) Acknowledgement of Shepard's Gender: I agree with this to a point, but I also don't want it to overwhelm the story. A few more than the two present in ME2 would be nice, especially in more dialogue driven moments, but I feel it would be insulting to Shepard's character to integrate it into too many scenes. By this point, almost everyone knows who Shepard is, and they're not going to be surprised she's a woman who can kick ass. 

6) Practical vs. Sexy Armor: I normally don't have a problem with some male hormonal pandering up to a point, but I totally agree with this when it comes to Shepard. Shepard is not a sex bomb and will never be a sex bomb. She takes real bombs and shoves them up your ***. Keep the armor practical. 

With that said, I think Shepard still looks damned good in her armor, and I have no problem with seeing the feminine curves. Just not the kind of armor that gets more powerful as you wear less of it. 

7) Clipping: I'm hopefull this can be fixed by giving Shepard her own unique animations that help prevent it, but you're never really going to be able to avoid it with longer hair + bulky armor. One of them is going to get in the way unless you do something to alter the hairstyle, and then it's not really the hairstyle anymore. 

But yeah, if they stuck to even just your list, I'd be extremely pleased. I don't want FemShep's gender to overwhelm the character of Shepard, but I certainly want to see the appropriate amount of effort put into making her uniquely female while she shoots you in the face. 

Modifié par nexworks, 09 juin 2011 - 01:19 .

[Eshaye]

For the pointing out that some of these issues are not unique to Femshep. I'd like to say that I do not play as Male Shepard so I have no idea, maybe they are not, but all I can comment on and discuss is FemShep. I'm probably not the only one in this boat.

[Occulo]

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5. Acknowledgement of Shepard's Gender.
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It is pleasing and helps game immersion when an NPC’s reaction is based on Shepard’s gender. Aside from romances, there are only two places in ME2 where this occurred.

1) The Batarian merc recruiter on Omega
2) Gianna Parasini on Illium.

It really was brilliant to see these unique situations as they help to make the game more personal and add more to the experience. We would like to see more of these situations. Even a simple sir or ma’am distinction helps.

I say yes to sir / ma'am distinctions.

It would be cool to see more NPCs remarking on my femShep. I just don't want characters overreacting to Shepard having a vagina.

[idoless24]

nexworks wrote...

All 4 of my playthroughs are with FemShep, and I greatly support the spirit of this thread and have a few agreements and opinions to toss in (I'm mainly replying to the OPs points, not making my own):

1) Better Animations: I agree with this as long as she doesn't become overly sexualized. I want her to be animated like a confident, bad ass space marine who has spent the entirety of her adult life in the military, just with the appropriate biological gait. If they throw in mannerisms like the toe-twirling or bouncing of Lady Hawke, I will scream and throw my controller at my Xbox. 

2) FemShep Screenshots: I totally agree with this. I think the statistic thrown around was that ~20% of players play as FemShep, but it is still a ridiculous marketing strategy to not try and sell DLC items to people that play as FemShep. Do you not want our money, Bioware? 

3) Script/Dialogue for Romances: Yes, this, but I think Jacob is really the main problem I (personally) had with the romance options for FemShep. I did like the fact that I could be up front and hit on him if I wanted. I disliked the fact that it felt like I was being railroaded by the options to not just hit on him but try and jump his bones in the first dialogue. Give me a clear choice; don't force the issue. However, I don't think this problem is exclusive to FemShep, is it? 

Yeah, and the later dialogue in Jacob's romance was... awkward. 

4) Hair and Textures: Looking at Ashley's new hairstyle, it's pretty obvious they wanted to show off the changes they are making to hair. It already looks significantly better, and if they can give that rendering to the existing hair styles (and of course even more options!) then I'll be pretty happy. 

5) Acknowledgement of Shepard's Gender: I agree with this to a point, but I also don't want it to overwhelm the story. A few more than the two present in ME2 would be nice, especially in more dialogue driven moments, but I feel it would be insulting to Shepard's character to integrate it into too many scenes. By this point, almost everyone knows who Shepard is, and they're not going to be surprised she's a woman who can kick ass. 

6) Practical vs. Sexy Armor: I normally don't have a problem with some male hormonal pandering up to a point, but I totally agree with this when it comes to Shepard. Shepard is not a sex bomb and will never be a sex bomb. She takes real bombs and shoves them up your ***. Keep the armor practical. 

With that said, I think Shepard still looks damned good in her armor, and I have no problem with seeing the feminine curves. Just not the kind of armor that gets more powerful as you wear less of it. 

7) Clipping: I'm hopefull this can be fixed by giving Shepard her own unique animations that help prevent it, but you're never really going to be able to avoid it with longer hair + bulky armor. One of them is going to get in the way unless you do something to alter the hairstyle, and then it's not really the hairstyle anymore. 

But yeah, if they stuck to even just your list, I'd be extremely pleased. I don't want FemShep's gender to overwhelm the character of Shepard, but I certainly want to see the appropriate amount of effort put into making her uniquely female while she shoots you in the face. 

Excellent post. This is exactly how I feel on the subject.

[Uhh.. Jonah]

nexworks wrote...

All 4 of my playthroughs are with FemShep, and I greatly support the spirit of this thread and have a few agreements and opinions to toss in (I'm mainly replying to the OPs points, not making my own):

1) Better Animations: I agree with this as long as she doesn't become overly sexualized. I want her to be animated like a confident, bad ass space marine who has spent the entirety of her adult life in the military, just with the appropriate biological gait. If they throw in mannerisms like the toe-twirling or bouncing of Lady Hawke, I will scream and throw my controller at my Xbox. 

2) FemShep Screenshots: I totally agree with this. I think the statistic thrown around was that ~20% of players play as FemShep, but it is still a ridiculous marketing strategy to not try and sell DLC items to people that play as FemShep. Do you not want our money, Bioware? 

3) Script/Dialogue for Romances: Yes, this, but I think Jacob is really the main problem I (personally) had with the romance options for FemShep. I did like the fact that I could be up front and hit on him if I wanted. I disliked the fact that it felt like I was being railroaded by the options to not just hit on him but try and jump his bones in the first dialogue. Give me a clear choice; don't force the issue. However, I don't think this problem is exclusive to FemShep, is it? 

Yeah, and the later dialogue in Jacob's romance was... awkward. 

4) Hair and Textures: Looking at Ashley's new hairstyle, it's pretty obvious they wanted to show off the changes they are making to hair. It already looks significantly better, and if they can give that rendering to the existing hair styles (and of course even more options!) then I'll be pretty happy. 

5) Acknowledgement of Shepard's Gender: I agree with this to a point, but I also don't want it to overwhelm the story. A few more than the two present in ME2 would be nice, especially in more dialogue driven moments, but I feel it would be insulting to Shepard's character to integrate it into too many scenes. By this point, almost everyone knows who Shepard is, and they're not going to be surprised she's a woman who can kick ass. 

6) Practical vs. Sexy Armor: I normally don't have a problem with some male hormonal pandering up to a point, but I totally agree with this when it comes to Shepard. Shepard is not a sex bomb and will never be a sex bomb. She takes real bombs and shoves them up your ***. Keep the armor practical. 

With that said, I think Shepard still looks damned good in her armor, and I have no problem with seeing the feminine curves. Just not the kind of armor that gets more powerful as you wear less of it. 

7) Clipping: I'm hopefull this can be fixed by giving Shepard her own unique animations that help prevent it, but you're never really going to be able to avoid it with longer hair + bulky armor. One of them is going to get in the way unless you do something to alter the hairstyle, and then it's not really the hairstyle anymore. 

But yeah, if they stuck to even just your list, I'd be extremely pleased. I don't want FemShep's gender to overwhelm the character of Shepard, but I certainly want to see the appropriate amount of effort put into making her uniquely female while she shoots you in the face. 

Goodness gracious you couldn't have said it any better.

[Raiil]

 I posted a few pages back with my opinions/suggestions on how to improve Shep's animation rig, which was to basically create three different rigs. However, for everyone who's asking for something 'sexy' or 'feminine':

Let's reiterate- there is no such thing. Why? Because it's highly subjective. Most of us aren't asking for Shepard to walk like a woman, because there is no such thing- our walking patterns are derived from a multitude of sources, such as our age, social training, leg/height ratio, the clothing we're wearing and the shoes we've put on. Most of us are asking for Shepard to walk like us, which is, for obvious reasons, generally impossible because we probably don't walk alike.

Now, back to her running rig: I agree there is some work to be done, as I noted in previous posts, but the general idea isn't wrong. It's not about being femme or butch or manly or whatever. Shepard is a soldier. Her run, her walk- all of it's based towards efficency, not some nebulous idea of sexy. The problem with her run is mostly that it doesn't change depending on her clothing and footwear- chillaxing in casual dungarees!Shep shouldn't move like clad in Kestral armour!Shep or like in that little black dress!Shep. 

Shepard shouldn't run 'femininely' in her armour. It's impractical, and it's inefficient to run in such a manner. Hip movement should be minimal, arms should be up at an angle- remember what, no matter how strong she is, she's lugging around quite a bit of weight with her and she needs to concentrate on keeping as much power possible in case everything goes to s--t. 

As for sitting in a 'proper' manner- well, you know, that varies widely from person to person. Shepard isn't someone who spends a lot of time in dresses and heels, and it's quite possible that she'll sit 'inappropriately' because she's sitting in something she's not used to. It happens all the time- I have loads of embarrassing Homecoming/Prom stories to prove it. I don't care if she sits with her legs glued shut or she assumes the sprawling position, but trying to argue that one is better or more prudent is kind of an empty argument- ultimately it's a tiny bit of immersion that's too subjective to pinpoint.

I'm not arguing against tweaking the rig. I'm against trying to deconstruct something as recognisable as a military stance and the benefits it gives the person using them. I've had some military training myself so yeah- it's not perfect, but's it's damn closer to a proper soldier than any bit of hip swing or prettiness could ever add.


tl;dr there is work to be done but trying to make a stereotypically femme Shepard running animation is going to ruin more than it's going to fix.

Modifié par Valentia X, 09 juin 2011 - 02:17 .

[Radahldo]

Why is this such a big deal? Its one point in the game Its just garrus...  Lol cause its 'r.u.d.e.' Thats what you're concerned about? Manners? Please.. shes sitting on a metal crate.. why is it a such a big deal? Metal crates arent comfortable; its even a small crate. Ive seen this brought up so many times

I also  feel its imprecise to say 'femshep community'. Not everyone who plays femshep takes part in your  club which doesnt extend past this forum. 'Femshep community' does not exactly represent the interests of the Female demographic, which is sorta what you seem to imply. My friend who posted here earlier has never peeked into femshep screenshot thread and, basically, is not represented by this thread at all; like, clipping, not everyone cares

And, also, you indicated to the Batarian on omega who i think has a sexist remark for you as  'brilliant'? Dont you realize the trend of many npcs who recognize sheps sex, just saying something sexist? Was harkin brillant in me1 Why is there no complaint about that anywhere in the op?

I'm sorry, but the jog reminds me of a linebacker running back to the huddle and the head down is even worse. Regardless of gender Shepard is confident and strong. The jog does not scream confidence or strength. In fact, it reminds me of an old military saying, "Keep your head down and don't volunteer for anything." That's not Shepard.

two of the most physical positions in football arent 'strong'?

Hmmmm sorry but a strong capable woman who can kick a*s is also perfectly able to close her legs while sitting in a dress. How is that diminishing her in any way?

Calling for Femshep to get her own feminine animations isn't asking for her to strut around like a slu*t or act like Miranda (as much as I like Miri...) she should still exude that power and confidence but equalling her to a jock and reducing her to use the same animations as male Shepard is lazy and affirms that Femshep is secondary and not in need of as much attention as Sheploo, or hell most of your companions.

you misinterpreted her post. shes not saying feminity= 'sl*utting around', good job interjecting that word and attitude, and a totally needless-- and telling-- admonishment for Miranda into the conversation. 

 Sighing and sashays? Really?  I cannot believe a lot of the responses here. Why arent  the giant weapons on her back enough to convey power?

Modifié par Radahldo, 09 juin 2011 - 02:21 .

[Miroslav_s46]

Great, improvements they could definitely are...

well i dont have any, as the hair tweaks are already confirmed and i don't ask anything more.

Anyway, Femshep all the way because its a different experience for the other bazillion games out there