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[Commander_Adept]

There are more NPC interactions to Shep being a female than that one... They're just sometimes hard to find.

The Turian you beat up during Samara's Loyalty Mission

The very beginning, Miranda would say "But Shepard... They'll follow her. She's a hero, a bloody icon." And TIM would say "Then see to it that we don't lose her."

Elnora says "****" instead of "Bastard"

Not to mention that immediately prior to Horizon, Mordin's hologram is definitely of the female armor rather than the male.

[TyDurden13]

Agree on all points.

[LTKerr]

I absolutely agree with all points.

Actually I want to add a new one (related to 1.Better Animations) for both male and female: dancing skills. In ME1 each one danced differently, then I played ME2 and saw... that. Both have the same awful dance. Really, I prefer the worst one in Samara's loyalty mission where at least femShep doesn't seem a dancing gorilla xD

[JamieCOTC]

Commander_Adept wrote...

There are more NPC interactions to Shep being a female than that one... They're just sometimes hard to find.

The Turian you beat up during Samara's Loyalty Mission

The very beginning, Miranda would say "But Shepard... They'll follow her. She's a hero, a bloody icon." And TIM would say "Then see to it that we don't lose her."

Elnora says "****" instead of "Bastard"

Not to mention that immediately prior to Horizon, Mordin's hologram is definitely of the female armor rather than the male.

Burn B*tch! (from angry tech gal in Miri's loyalty mission) 

I won't speak for everyone, but I do appreciate those little interactions.  Truth be told, there's probably more ambient gender references in ME2 than in ME1, but like you said, they are hard to find.  Still, it never hurts to ask for just a little more.  Then again, maybe I just miss Ashley.

"Dismissed ... Chief."
"Ma'am." 

[ReallyRue]

I agree whole-heartedly with this thread. The bad hair annoyed me (it's always severe, blocky or greasy looking), but the animations are very important. Especially when I compare it to DA2's femHawke. FemShep doesn't need to ridiculously feminine, she just needs to be less like a smaller, curvier version of maleShep.

[2kgnsiika]

I hope BioWare doesn't waste too much resources on femshep. She's little more than a curiosity to about 90% of Mass Effect players (femshep fans are overrepresented on these forums). They should rather use the time and resources to write, animate, etc. other characters that the vast majority of ME fans actually cares about.

[100k]

Commander_Adept wrote...
Elnora says "****" instead of "Bastard".

It's worth playing through ME2 as a female, just to get that renegade line.

Screw that, b!tch!

I lol every time.

[Captain Crash]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Truth be told, there's probably more ambient gender references in ME2 than in ME1, but like you said, they are hard to find.  Still, it never hurts to ask for just a little more.  Then again, maybe I just miss Ashley.

Maybe so,  as said hard to find and still quite infrequent.  A couple more then we originally thought.   The opening scene being quite obvious now its mentioned.  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

2kgnsiika wrote...

... other characters that the vast majority of ME fans actually cares about.

She's the main protagonist for the game for many people.  Therefore her role is far more key then any NPC. Just because you dont play her doesnt mean others dont. Im not entirely sure how your coming to the conclusion that for some reason all femshep fans just happen to post here and therefore shes over voiced.  The amount threads popping up on a regular basis from new members say the exact opposite.  Additionally Bioware have stated shes the "fans favourite" so we would like to see that acknowledged in our gamplay experience.

[Commander_Adept]

Personally, I prefer manShep, myself. I think the actor is a little better, and I love romancing Jack. So who knows?

Jennifer Hale's voice kind of bugs me, just a bit.

[Sandbox47]

Didn't read that ^. Too long. You guys work too hard on writing replies.

I like how she is, though the dialogues and animations could do with work. But if you look at how the game is and compare it to any other game in the world, both the voice acting and animations are world class.

What I want is fem fatale options. Not renegade based, but just "oh ho. I'm gonna have fun"

[didymos1120]

Captain Crash wrote...

Maybe so,  as said hard to find and still quite infrequent.  A couple more then we originally thought.   The opening scene being quite obvious now its mentioned.  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

The "Shep dies" ending takes sex into account too.  Another good one is of course the Kasumi mission.  Not only do you get the cocktail dress, Femsheps have the alternate alias and one of the Paragon options when talking to Hock is changed so that she suggests they go chat somewhere more private.

[ErebUs890]

You FemShep players always think you're being treated like second class citizens or something. There's nothing wrong with FemShep. At all...

[Seboist]

Commander_Adept wrote...

There are more NPC interactions to Shep being a female than that one... They're just sometimes hard to find.

The Turian you beat up during Samara's Loyalty Mission

The very beginning, Miranda would say "But Shepard... They'll follow her. She's a hero, a bloody icon." And TIM would say "Then see to it that we don't lose her."

Elnora says "****" instead of "Bastard"

Not to mention that immediately prior to Horizon, Mordin's hologram is definitely of the female armor rather than the male.

There's some deleted dialogue of the Turian groundskeeper where he asks femshep if she's female because she has "funny bumps".

[JustHonest]

too bad shep is a dude? i mean lets be completly real all i wish this and that aside...if the world was about to get its ass handed to it would you want a girl saving the galaxy or a guy and not saying girls cant do anything just in high pressure situations i wouldnt want that monthly cycle to rush emotions for anything and dont lie it does have effects on the mind i study that

[NoSoyBueno]

I hope BioWare doesn't waste too much resources on femshep. She's little more than a curiosity to about 90% of Mass Effect players (femshep fans are overrepresented on these forums). They should rather use the time and resources to write, animate, etc. other characters that the vast majority of ME fans actually cares about.

Imagine if your male Shepard necessarily sat with one leg over the other all the time. Perhaps if other characters referred to him as "ma'am" or "she". What if talking to Miranda, Tali, or Jack unavoidably sounded like you were trying to seduce them? What if all of the in-game screenshots and DLC promotional pictures only showed a female Shepard, with no media showing male Shepard?

I thought all of the points were valid. I care a great deal about FemShep, since I have one for my main playthrough. Given that this is the central character of the game (not just some NPC, or even a squadmate) for a lot of people, I think it deserves some attention.

-NSB

Modifié par NoSoyBueno, 28 avril 2011 - 05:24 .

[Interactive Civilian]

Hmmm... "Report this Post" doesn't seem to have an "off-topic" or "trolling" option... So, it's worth re-quoting this from the OP:

NOTE: This is not a thread to debate the merits of manShep vs femShep. Please keep the focus on the femShep player experience. Anyone trying to incite negative reactions will be reported to a moderator who will take appropriate action.

Please keep this in mind, people.

[NackterGolfer]

Nice thread. I am male and I play 50/50 male/female. Some of those 'female' animations look quite hilarious, but overall I wasn't so concerned with it like some of you are.

So basically I agree on those animation-issues, but regarding these 'Sharon Stone moments' my perspective is: that black dress was a mistake. Should only have been available on Kasumi's mission. Waering it anywhere else (except Samara's LM) just doesn't make sense to me, but on the other hand, who am I to tell you what to wear on your ship? Giving all new animations for one casual dress? Would've been great, but is essentially a waste of resources.

What bugs me a little, is that some people want light armors back. If you didn't mean ALL armors should look more feminine, I can't see this on topic. If you meant that, I disagree. I like those N7 armors in ME2. Look like they really protect and regardless of your class, Shepard is a space marine. I was far more concerned how my squadmates wore skin tight latexsuits, with exposed cleavage all around. Felt like this was modelled by a horny SpaceBonobo who hasn't seen breasts for years. Sorry my mind wanders off-topic.

But anyway, for me (and I bet many/some/no others) this is a game about blowing things up and punching faces, not some dress up game. So I am not against more options, or features that differentiate male/female playthroughs, but I think things like more hairstyles, more dancemoves and so on should be put in perspective. How important are they compared to other issues?

Still I think the OP makes some valid and reasonable points. So yes. Especially I agree on: "Armour styles arn't overly sexualised, so don’t change it"

(english is not my native tongue, please have mercy)

[Alanosborn1991]

I play Fem Shepherd all the time! Sheploo is the most boring wooden thing ever!

[AngelicMachinery]

JustHonest wrote...

too bad shep is a dude? i mean lets be completly real all i wish this and that aside...if the world was about to get its ass handed to it would you want a girl saving the galaxy or a guy and not saying girls cant do anything just in high pressure situations i wouldnt want that monthly cycle to rush emotions for anything and dont lie it does have effects on the mind i study that

Is your shift key broken?

[Hyper Cutter]

Captain Crash wrote...

 Im not entirely sure how your coming to the conclusion that for some reason all femshep fans just happen to post here and therefore shes over voiced. 

Bioware's own statistics say 80% of Shepards are male or something like that, iirc.

[Interactive Civilian]

TomatoTomato wrote...

And complaints regarding the limp in ME2 I think are honestly a bit ridiculous. She was spaced, killed, revived through revolutionary technology and then violently bolted out of care. Do you really think all of that wouldn't have at least some repercussions on her posture? Not to mention all that heavy equipment she wears.

The majority of complaints regarding the limp are gender neutral and all seem to stem from one simple fact: the limp is NEVER evident in any cutscene. If you decided to use slow walk into a situation where there's a cutscene that also includes walking around, you would see Shepard limp into that situation (which, I agree is not necessarily out of the ordinary considering what she's been through), and then pacing comfortably and normally through the cut-scene.

This inconsistency is the biggest issue with the limp.

Anyway, I get the feeling from this thread that pretty much none of us want femShep to become a girly-girl. We just want her to move and behave like a normal human female military officer would. As I've said before in the thread, animations in ME2 are messed all around, regardless of gender, but they are also messed up masculine animations, so when the exact messed animations are applied to femShep it just looks that much worse.

IMHO.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Agree with Civilian's post above. And you can't justify an obviously broken animation. If the animation really wasn't broken, then it would have been evident in cutscenes, but guess what? It isn't. All BioWare did is simply use the animation from when you walk to Joker at the end of the prologue (where it did make sense) for the entire game and for both genders. It's blatant laziness.

[Captain Crash]

As IC said it not an issue of her looking like a girl but to a least look more feminine and not use the male set which evidently doesn't really work. As the limp inconsistency was pointed out we don't need to go there. But as many have pointed out it often feels awkward, clunky and just sometimes really silly when moving. Many people who play as male have said similar. But I dont see why you are justifying the limping with the excuse that "she was spaced and rebuilt so therefore may have a bad posture". It effectively brushes away the whole issue aside. Not to mention if she had back problems why is she still battling the Collectors with no problems and the fact no one mentions it. Sorry but it really does sound like your making up your own solutions to justify an animation flaw.