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[Caralampio]

I'm trying new approaches to the game and I figured I'd try to befriend Carver. Yep.

Now I wonder if it is at all possible, given the big rivalry he already has at start. Considering also that he appears only when you're a mage. He hates mages worst than Fenris (well, maybe the same as Fenris) so the typical situation should place you at odds with the little ******. You have to be protemplar all the way. I' towards the end of act 1 and have barely taken him to the middle of the F/R line.

Has anyone achieved this? I mean to reach the point where he gets his friendly talent. Or shouldn't I bother? Maybe he's just meant to be your rival.

[Inzhuna]

Carver and Bethany don't have approval-related talents. And no there's no change in dialogue if you manage to get him to max Friendship (and I don't think there's enough Friendship points to get him there).

[Riona45]

Someone in another thread (don't remember which) said they did everything possible to get friendship points with Carver, and there isn't enough to get it to 100%. I wouldn't worry about doing that.

[thesuperdarkone]

If there was a way to make him friendly, it would be a frying the coke moment.

[Elessie]

You can get him on the friend side of the meter. I don't think there's any point in trying to max it though. If he's on the friend side, his dialogue is a little different when you meet up with him periodically. At least it is as a Grey Warden, I haven't tried with him as a templar yet.

[tehprincessJ]

Pretty much what everyone else has said. I've personally tried to get him at 100% - I pandered to him terribly and still couldn't reach full friendship. Now, I'm just as nice as possible, I look out for his feelings, and I bring him and Anders every time I go to the deep roads. It's amazing how much he grows as a person from start to finish.

I think the reason you can't gain full friendship is that him joining the templars is pretty much the ulitmate smack in the face (considering that Hawke is a mage). As a plot device, they had to leave room for this to even be feasible. Why would he ever do such a thing if he were at 100%?

ETA: For the record, Carver does not "hate mages worst than Fenris". If you, in fact, side with the Templars at the end of the game it makes him really angry.

Modifié par tehprincessJ, 24 avril 2011 - 03:52 .

[Inzhuna]

tehprincessJ wrote...

Pretty much what everyone else has said. I've personally tried to get him at 100% - I pandered to him terribly and still couldn't reach full friendship. Now, I'm just as nice as possible, I look out for his feelings, and I bring him and Anders every time I go to the deep roads. It's amazing how much he grows as a person from start to finish.

I think the reason you can't gain full friendship is that him joining the templars is pretty much the ulitmate smack in the face (considering that Hawke is a mage). As a plot device, they had to leave room for this to even be feasible. Why would he ever do such a thing if he were at 100%?

Plus having him at friendship does not fit the canon relationship between Hawke and Carver, since the codex states he's been jealous of his brother and bitter at being overshadowed his whole life.

[Rheia]

Eh. Depending how you play it, trying to repair relationship with Carver can very well be worth it, from the roleplaying point of view, anyway. Hawke looses his/her father, home, sister... I'd think that'd be good enough reason at least to try and smooth things out with the brother.

Anyway, for the game mechanics part of it, Carver's DA wiki has a nice break down on his friendship/rivalry gains:

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Carver

Modifié par Rheia, 24 avril 2011 - 04:18 .

[Inzhuna]

You can only really repair their relationship in the endgame. No matter how much you try, there's still bitterness in all his dialogues in Act 1 and in Act 2. I might be wrong though, if there is indeed dialogue difference as Elessie says. I'll definitely try it in my next playthrough.

[rayvioletta]

I actually tried using the console to max his friendship at the start of the game just to see if it did make any difference. didn't notice any

[llandwynwyn]

You can only see the difference in Act 2/3 and, I think, with GW Carver.

[ReallyRue]

I've only ever managed to get him as neutral, and that was as a fairly law-abiding, doesn't-like-the-bad-mages sort of mage.

[Aggie Punbot]

Did a quick test: using the amount of approval points listed on the Wiki (130) I made a new game and added said approval right after talking to Wesley and Aveline. It's not enough to max Friendship.

[swiftnissity]

Since the guide isn't completely accurate I'm not sure, but it hints that it is somehow possible:

"Carver begins the story with a preexisting tilt towards rivalry, so attempting to achieve full friendship is a challenge only for the dedicated repeat player. Supporting the Templar position of controls for mages will please him, though don't assume that he's somehow the antithesis of Bethany: he's by no means brutal or ungallant."

[tehprincessJ]

The guide lies.

Seriously, though. It's wrong about that and a slew of other things.

[LadyJaneGrey]

*Agrees with Princess*

OP: if you manage to make Carver friendly, would you let us know? Now I'm curious too. :^)

[TheAwesomologist]

I've managed to get him around 40% Friendship (hard to tell with the bar) by the end of Act 1. He only shows change as a Grey Warden where his conversation at the end of Act is mild and again with Nathaniel in Act 3 were he's actually civil.

Carver the Templar is always a d-bag. Carver the Grey Warden is actually kind of cool. I wouldn't mind a DLC of Carver/Bethany as a Grey Warden. Maybe get a chance to meet up with other Grey Warden characters from Awakenings.

[SilentK]

Ohh....sibling dlc do want!!!