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[PARAGON87]

The only think that this comic explained was:

-Why Saren had all those glowy lights in this face and tubes coming from his body.
-Why TIM had the glowy eyes.
-Why that device turned all those scientists into husks.
-Why Saren had it all in for humans.

That's it. Not really understanding why they created a whole comic series just for that.

[Sebby]

PARAGON87 wrote...

The only think that this comic explained was:

-Why Saren had all those glowy lights in this face and tubes coming from his body.
-Why TIM had the glowy eyes.
-Why that device turned all those scientists into husks.
-Why Saren had it all in for humans.

That's it. Not really understanding why they created a whole comic series just for that.

For $$$$$$.

[neftones]

DTKT wrote...

Was there ever any good comic books that were used to expand a gaming franchise?

Assassin's Creed: The Fall is an excellent comic. Some of the Halo comics have been good, the new inFamous series is off to a solid start. So yes.

[aragfore03]

It's fairly hammy but I don't believe it breaks the established canon.

[IrishSpectre257]

Sounds like I would rather read a detailed description of the comic, rather than the comic itself. Felt the same way about Redemption.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Ah man. Such a wasted potential this series was. So much bad explored themes. They didn't go deep enough in TIM's character, didn't go deep enough in the reaper technology he has, didn't go deep in the Cerberus manifest, its impact and the organization's origin (TIM decided to be a millionaire CEO terrorist crazy scientist and that's it?) nor the side characters besides Desolas. On the good side, a nice scratch on the FCW.

I don't think 4 issues would be enough to cover all of that in a suitable way. At least 6 for a good arc. They should really hire someone competent. Warren Ellis being such a sci-fi geek could have done a good job. I don't know if he has exclusivity to Marvel.

Anyway, enough of Cerberus already.

[dreman9999]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Long story Short - Saren was TIM.

Issue 1: Ashley's grandpa is a drunkard, They unearthed a Reaper artifact.
Issue 2: TIM has superpowers, some fighting.
Issue 3: Some fighting, they make more husks
Issue 4: They noticed that unearthing the Reaper artifact was a bad idea, they kill the husks, one of the husks has a kind heart, kills the chick but is sad about it, huskifies Desolas, Saren nukes it all to hell along with his brother. 

The only outcome of this whole story is that both Saren and TIM were exposed to Reaper Technology... like we were not aware of that with Saren before. Not even a single "why?" anwsered... at least I don't see any significant ones.

It's just like those sidequests in ME1 where you would fine a cave with that kind of artifact, all the scientists are turned into husks so you kill all those husks. And you move on.

Ok, I just finish reading comic 4.....It's bad, really bad, but not as bad anyyou say it is.
Their thing that the comics did establis....
1.Jack/Tim got his connections to the alliance during the first contact war, you can say Jack, Eva and Ben the furture friendly husk were cerburus at it infancy. They were the Idea of it before being it.
2. They used the ME1 intro to start this, which is very bad, and Jack got super smart because of a glitch because Ben got it the way.
3. Humans can resist indocrination, like grayson did in Retribution though not as much as to stop it's effects....Eva found out this when husk Ben tackled her......head first messily into a wall.(Mr.Kusy mention this ok, it was quit mess, and she did like from it though I don't know it was fatal, but having half your head caved in can do that.)Ben was fight the effect but lost control.
4. Indocrination devolves the mind of the one effected and eveolves the body the way the reapers want. But we know this from thecollecters.
5.Mac knows nothing about pacing in comic....my god it's bad.
6.Most importantly, we understand why TIM thinks the way he does. He sawthe face of greater beings and knew that everyone is ants compare to it....It fear that drive him but it's understandible fear. Though he may of not have a name for them at the time, he understoodsomething big is coming and humanity had no way to stop it. 
7.It was not a reaper but a reaper device.....Though ofcourse no one knows it at the time.

In truth, if it was ploted better,paced better, planned better, and given more space to work with, it would have been good but the jumpyness and bad planning destried it.

[dreman9999]

PARAGON87 wrote...

The only think that this comic explained was:

-Why Saren had all those glowy lights in this face and tubes coming from his body.
-Why TIM had the glowy eyes.
-Why that device turned all those scientists into husks.
-Why Saren had it all in for humans.

That's it. Not really understanding why they created a whole comic series just for that.

1.Well, most of it came from after Virmir with the implants, it only stated glowing after virmire. The eyes are from this comic. The arm....not yet explained.
2.Tims eye glowing and why it happen will be explained in ME3. B ut we have the how though....
3. ....It's project rho and every reaper artiact you found in ME1 and ME2, that allow would explain it.
4. I'm begining to think that this was just some thing that was assumed. He never himself stated hated or acted in a way that he hated humans in a firery passion.

Modifié par dreman9999, 24 avril 2011 - 02:00 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

The Turians in Evolution reminded me of the ****s in Indiana Jones movies.

[Kusy]

neftones wrote...

DTKT wrote...
Was there ever any good comic books that were used to expand a gaming franchise?

Assassin's Creed: The Fall is an excellent comic. Some of the Halo comics have been good, the new inFamous series is off to a solid start. So yes.

Left 4 Dead comic was great. One of the SW:The Old Republic ones is good too.

dreman9999 wrote...
4. I'm begining to think that this was just some thing that was assumed. He never himself stated hated or acted in a way that he hated humans in a firery passion.

Well there were few mentions about him not being too fond of humanity but most of that seems to be made up by Anderson. It's not that Saren attacked a human colony because he hated humans, he would attack attack a salarian colony if a beacon was found there. He just seemed to be a really ruthless **** who hated everyone alike.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 24 avril 2011 - 12:31 .

[Hathur]

I expected / hoped the comic would actually be a lot more about TIM and the formation / growth of Cerberus and some more insight into TIM as a character.

Overall, extremely disappointed with the comic... would not recommend it to anyone, it has almost no story / character value whatsoever

(And yes I'm an idiot for having kept purchasing each issue.. kept hoping it would get better.. just continually went downhill).

Modifié par Hathur, 24 avril 2011 - 12:32 .

[javierabegazo]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

neftones wrote...

DTKT wrote...
Was there ever any good comic books that were used to expand a gaming franchise?

Assassin's Creed: The Fall is an excellent comic. Some of the Halo comics have been good, the new inFamous series is off to a solid start. So yes.

Left 4 Dead comic was great. One of the SW:The Old Republic ones is good too.

dreman9999 wrote...
4. I'm begining to think that this was just some thing that was assumed. He never himself stated hated or acted in a way that he hated humans in a firery passion.

Well there were few mentions about him not being too fond of humanity but most of that seems to be made up by Anderson. It's not that Saren attacked a human colony because he hated humans, he would attack attack a salarian colony if a beacon was found there. He just seemed to be a really ruthless **** who hated everyone alike.

The dead space comics weren't even that bad either. I blame Dark Horse

[Kusy]

Dark Horse is doing Hell Boy, Star Wars and many more... all good quality. It's compleatly up to the writer and artist. You can't blame a publisher for what developer did bad.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Oh L4D comics were indeed great. Art so so, but good writing.

[Smiley77]

I thought Saren's arm and cybernetics came from Sovereign's indoctrination/upgrades.

[didymos1120]

Smiley77 wrote...

I thought Saren's arm and cybernetics came from Sovereign's indoctrination/upgrades.

They did.  And his arm was actually a geth arm.  I don't know why anyone's claiming Evolution explains where they came from, because it doesn't.  He's still "factory original" at the end of it.

[dreman9999]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

neftones wrote...

DTKT wrote...
Was there ever any good comic books that were used to expand a gaming franchise?

Assassin's Creed: The Fall is an excellent comic. Some of the Halo comics have been good, the new inFamous series is off to a solid start. So yes.

Left 4 Dead comic was great. One of the SW:The Old Republic ones is good too.

dreman9999 wrote...
4. I'm begining to think that this was just some thing that was assumed. He never himself stated hated or acted in a way that he hated humans in a firery passion.

Well there were few mentions about him not being too fond of humanity but most of that seems to be made up by Anderson. It's not that Saren attacked a human colony because he hated humans, he would attack attack a salarian colony if a beacon was found there. He just seemed to be a really ruthless **** who hated everyone alike.

The bartarian Merc in ME:Revilationwould agree if he was still alive...

[dreman9999]

didymos1120 wrote...

Smiley77 wrote...

I thought Saren's arm and cybernetics came from Sovereign's indoctrination/upgrades.

They did.  And his arm was actually a geth arm.  I don't know why anyone's claiming Evolution explains where they came from, because it doesn't.  He's still "factory original" at the end of it.

Most of it did not. The arm being a Geth are is just Speculation and the cybernetics also canbe from a time he got greatly hurt on a mission(That can happen to Spectre, just look at Shep.)so where he got it from before virmire is unclear.The only thing thats comfermed is that the Eyes came from evolution and the blue glowing implants came up after Virmire when he let Soverign implant him.

Modifié par dreman9999, 24 avril 2011 - 01:59 .

[dreman9999]

Hathur wrote...

I expected / hoped the comic would actually be a lot more about TIM and the formation / growth of Cerberus and some more insight into TIM as a character.

Overall, extremely disappointed with the comic... would not recommend it to anyone, it has almost no story / character value whatsoever

(And yes I'm an idiot for having kept purchasing each issue.. kept hoping it would get better.. just continually went downhill).

It did.
Cerburus started as a rag-tag 3 man group ofgurilla fighters in the first contact war.....
And we now know why Tim is so paranoid, He found out that there beings so powerful that we would be ant compare to then. So as soon as he could hestartedtrying to get humanity strongerone way or anotherit humanity likesit or not.
It made one thing clear, he is not xenophobic.

[TMA LIVE]

After reading what's on the wiki, I don't get why Saren hates humans. Before we thought it was because his brother was killed in the first contact, but that didn't happen. So why does he hate humans, and thinks they need to know their place? Because a human husk made his crazy brother (who he was already fighting against) a husk?

And he does hate humans. He expresses it in the book, and he even says "Humanity needs to know it's place" and "What do you expect from a human."

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 24 avril 2011 - 02:18 .

[Nerevar-as]

TMA LIVE wrote...

After reading what's on the wiki, I don't get why Saren hates humans. Before we thought it was because his brother was killed in the first contact, but that didn't happen. So why does he hate humans, and thinks they need to know their place? Because a human husk made his crazy brother (who he was already fighting against) a husk?

And he does hate humans. He expresses it in the book, and he even says "Humanity needs to know it's place" and "What do you expect from a human."

That was Drew, now it´s Walters.

I don´t think Evolution was needed at all. Saren´s backstory was clear enough, and I had no problem with the idea of Cerberus as a result of some people´s fear of alien civilizations. So where was the point?
I´d really like to know what parts are Walters and what Miller. I can´t believe the writer of the KOTOR comics has lost so much.

[dreman9999]

Nerevar-as wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

After reading what's on the wiki, I don't get why Saren hates humans. Before we thought it was because his brother was killed in the first contact, but that didn't happen. So why does he hate humans, and thinks they need to know their place? Because a human husk made his crazy brother (who he was already fighting against) a husk?

And he does hate humans. He expresses it in the book, and he even says "Humanity needs to know it's place" and "What do you expect from a human."

That was Drew, now it´s Walters.

I don´t think Evolution was needed at all. Saren´s backstory was clear enough, and I had no problem with the idea of Cerberus as a result of some people´s fear of alien civilizations. So where was the point?
I´d really like to know what parts are Walters and what Miller. I can´t believe the writer of the KOTOR comics has lost so much.

Not really. Seran never stated he hates humans,just that he dislikes them. People just assumed that he did.
You have to take account of the thing Anderson tells you about why he was turnd down as a spectre and what really happen.  Also, the factthat he treat everyone notclose to him the same.

[Kusy]

dreman9999 wrote...
It made one thing clear, he is not xenophobic.

Where was it made clear? In the game where whatever he says about other species sounds xenophobic or in this pretty lame comic where whatever he says about other species sounds xenophobic?

[dreman9999]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
It made one thing clear, he is not xenophobic.

Where was it made clear? In the game where whatever he says about other species sounds xenophobic or in this pretty lame comic where whatever he says about other species sounds xenophobic?

One, thething he want to fight ageints is the reapers. Though he may of not know who they where, he knew that they were out there and humans were and are way out match. His focus is to get humanity up to speed so humaity can servirve. Now, in the game he never say anythingbad about other species just that he want humanity to rise up and if you look athis track record, most of his crimes are on humans. An in the comic, itwas only in comic one when he was xenophobic, and in a war with a new species you never met and not understand everyone is xenophoic because they are the eneimy. By the comic 2, he starts to come around as he starts understanding and by 4 he's looking past the other species to the demons in the darkness.

[DashRunner92]

Yea I was really disappointed. I enjoyed Redemption though, but I really disliked Evolution. It didn't even feel like Mass Effect, it felt as if it was more supernatural cult in space than Mass Effect. It also didn't reveal anything, just how Saren's brother died and something the Illusive Man did before creating Cerberus.