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[N7 Vanguard]

Ashathor wrote...

If I had a choice between saving 1 organic or 10 non-heretic geth I would pretty much save the organic. I like geth but they're not organic. Well if it was a vorcha or batarian I would save the geth but otherwise organics win.

The thing is geth cant really die they just transport to a new platform. I am sure if they understood why you choose the organic and not them, they would be okay with that decision.

Also does anyone else see a lot of resembance between the geth and cylons?

[Urdnot Orrad]

Alienmorph wrote...



Personally, I want save both Geths and Quarians, but knowing Bioware it's possible that you'll be even able to doom both the species. Off course then I don't know what chances of victory you'll can hope to have against the reapers, without the two biggest fleets of the whole galaxy at your side, but still...

That... is my new desktop image. You win.

[Urdnot Orrad]

N7 Vanguard wrote...

Ashathor wrote...

If I had a choice between saving 1 organic or 10 non-heretic geth I would pretty much save the organic. I like geth but they're not organic. Well if it was a vorcha or batarian I would save the geth but otherwise organics win.

The thing is geth cant really die they just transport to a new platform. I am sure if they understood why you choose the organic and not them, they would be okay with that decision.

Also does anyone else see a lot of resembance between the geth and cylons?

If another platform for them to transport to is not around, they DO die. And also, I do actually believe they would understand your choice and would accept that.

[Ashira Shepard]

What Measure is a Non Human

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@Alienmorph let's not call people who dislike something "haters." That picture is funny, though.

[didymos1120]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@Urdnot Orrad

This is why I'm a little reluctant to discuss this topic, since my opinion is different from others, I'm accused of trolling. I'm not trying to attack Bioware.

The problem is you basically just plain don't want to accept the canon fact that geth are sapient creatures.  They're just as alive, in consciousness terms, as any other race (so is EDI for that matter).  It's fine if you don't think that's possible IRL, but if we're discussing the setting, it's just a fact. And yes, I know you could cite Xen, but Xen is an anomaly within the fictional universe.  She's an anomaly even among quarians.  She's not there to actually cast doubt on geth being conscious beings.

[N7 Vanguard]

AshiraShepard wrote...

What Measure is a Non Human

haha i am loving the tvtropes links. Good reading, I even saw some mass effect examples in one.

[kelmar6821]

@Ramirez
Geth sentience is very unique. It exists on two different levels. Tere is the group of machines enhancing each other to create a group sentience. this, more or less could be recreated. However the hive mind of the race as a whole is as unique and irreplicable as any single person is. Theoretically the geth or a human cuold beexactly replicated, but this task is beyond feasability, even in the ME future.

[Antivenger]

Seboist wrote...

Ashathor wrote...

If I had a choice between saving 1 organic or 10 non-heretic geth I would pretty much save the organic. I like geth but they're not organic. Well if it was a vorcha or batarian I would save the geth but otherwise organics win.

That was a racist statement. Vorcha are good people.

Debatable, they are a naturally aggressive species. Obviously, the more civilised species would often see them as horrible parasites, but it's just in their nature. Then again, even the also naturally aggressive Krogan see them as scum.

Batarians? Come on dude, their culture and economy revolves around slavery. It's not nature, it's nurture.

Unfortunately according to Tali I've already doomed the Quarian race, although I hold faith in my judgement to reveal the data.

[N7 Vanguard]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

N7 Vanguard wrote...

Ashathor wrote...

If I had a choice between saving 1 organic or 10 non-heretic geth I would pretty much save the organic. I like geth but they're not organic. Well if it was a vorcha or batarian I would save the geth but otherwise organics win.

The thing is geth cant really die they just transport to a new platform. I am sure if they understood why you choose the organic and not them, they would be okay with that decision.

Also does anyone else see a lot of resembance between the geth and cylons?

If another platform for them to transport to is not around, they DO die. And also, I do actually believe they would understand your choice and would accept that.

Yep just like the CYLONS! omgosh:pinched:

[Ashira Shepard]

Let's note something. During Jack's mission, your other squadmate will comment with disgust/horror on the conditions the children were kept in. Legion reacts with->

"These facilities are inadequate"

A response swathed in logic. But he didn't have to note that the conditions were terrible. Yet he spoke anyway.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

I know that the geth are sapient, didymos1120. I believe they shouldn't stay that way.

[didymos1120]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I know that the geth are sapient, didymos1120. I believe they shouldn't stay that way.

How is that even remotely justifiable to do to them?  And no, their origins don't matter.  Our ancestors weren't sapient either.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@didymos1120

Whether our ancestors were sapient or not depends on what you believe.

[Ashira Shepard]

didymos1120 wrote...
How is that even remotely justifiable to do to them?  And no, their origins don't matter.  Our ancestors weren't sapient either.

Cuz they're made of metal an' shizz.

[didymos1120]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@didymos1120

Whether our ancestors were sapient or not depends on what you believe.

Not in the ME verse.  In there, evolution is a fact, just as much as geth sapience.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

If evolution was a fact why is there religion at ALL in Mass effect?

[Ashira Shepard]

Probably going to get the answer I expect but...

Outside of the Geth vs. Quarian thing.

Someone creates a bio-mechanical being, they look human on the outside, sound human and physically feel human when touched and everything rather than like they're made of metal. Along with that, this 'being' looks female to us, so "it" is a "she."

She is a soldier, a tool, so she's trained to be such. Now given what they made her she's already aware of herself, but being a weapon is all she knows.

Say she becomes aware that her situation is wrong and engineers her escape.

Away from her creators influence she developes and while not completely able to express emotion properly, has a soft spot for cats and finds she can cook quite well after some practice.

She can blend in just find among "real" humans.

Do her creators have a right to destroy this being? Wipe it's mind and start again? Why? Because it isn't made of conventional flesh and blood? Because it has problems cracking a smile or telling a joke?

Now back to the Geth vs Quarians thing...

A life is a life no matter it's form, and no one has the right to smother a life that is still trying to develope.

Legion states that all the Geth want to do is understand organics, rather than fight them.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Killing any organic that enters geth space is a good way to "understand" them.

[Ashira Shepard]

Only because they've learned organics either shoot on sight or lie, THEN shoot on sight.

They altered extranet information to say a moon or a view of the stars from a moon, had the sight of a Salarian goddess to observe organic behaviour.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 24 avril 2011 - 09:46 .

[didymos1120]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

If evolution was a fact why is there religion at ALL in Mass effect?

That's not an actual argument. It's just a random non-sequitur.  And I don't see how you missed all the references in the Codex and dialogue to evolution, and the fact that nobody in-game ever expresses doubts that it occurs.  The closest thing would be the hanar, and they think the Protheans did it, but evolved to sentience themselves.

ETA: Besides which, even if characters did do that, the setting still says that's how intelligent species get to be intelligent species.  Those people would just be mistaken, which they often are about things that are canon fact (see: the Reapers).

Modifié par didymos1120, 24 avril 2011 - 09:51 .

[Big stupid jellyfish]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

If evolution was a fact why is there religion at ALL in Mass effect?

Because being religious or believing in god(s) =/= being a creationist.

Modifié par Big stupid jellyfish, 24 avril 2011 - 09:48 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@didymos1120 Then what was the purpose of having Ashley be Christian then if it's fake in Mass Effect universe?

[didymos1120]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@didymos1120 Then what was the purpose of having Ashley be Christian then if it's fake in Mass Effect universe?

She's not said to be a Christian.  She's a theist.  Her specific beliefs are never explicated.  Also, I didn't say anything remotely like that.

Modifié par didymos1120, 24 avril 2011 - 09:53 .

[Big stupid jellyfish]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@didymos1120 Then what was the purpose of having Ashley be Christian then if it's fake in Mass Effect universe?

1. As far as I remember Ashley never said she believes that God literally created humans, i.e. she's not a creationist. Thus, she may believe in evolution.

2. If you want to know the purpose of making Ashley (and Thane) religious from the storytelling point of view read Chris L'Etoile's blog. He wrote both characters.