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[HealthyGiraffe]

 Is anyone else expecting a really valid and logical way to defeat the Reapers?

To be honest, the reapers seem to be completely unbeatable at this stage. Soverign took nearly the whole fleet to take down and there are hundreds and hundreds of them more still to come .

I, alike a lot of you, am really excited to see how we will take them down.

But I am craving for a satisfying way. Problem is, I don't know what that is.

However, to all of you who are expecting a sunshine and lollipops ending, don't hold your breath. I have a feeling every ending will involve tremendous loss and sacrifice. 

So let's post our thoughts on the way we will defeat them. Maybe some predictions? 

[The Minority]

I bet there'll be a "push this button and they all die at the cost of humans" which leads to humanity being loved by all and a "push this button and you sacrifice a bunch of aliens" which leads to human dominance but hatred.

Point is, I think there'll be a button of doom.

[SLPr0]

We'll use dark energy to explode the stars of every system they invade while we retreat into dark space to watch them die then we'll return and recolonize whats left of the galaxy.

[Skarwael]

Klendagon weapon

Klencory "beings of light"

Deus Ex Machina of some kind

Logical paradoxes

[Urdnot Orrad]

The Minority wrote...

I bet there'll be a "push this button and they all die at the cost of humans" which leads to humanity being loved by all and a "push this button and you sacrifice a bunch of aliens" which leads to human dominance but hatred.

Point is, I think there'll be a button of doom.

Does no-one read the articles? Hudson has already stated that there IS no "Reaper OFF button". Christ.

As for me, I stick to the Beings of Light hypothesis that I put forth in this thread, and I'll stay with it until ME3 is released and I can find out for sure if I am correct.

[Antivenger]

A love affair wherein a young (200,000 years old) Reaper falls in love with EDI. At first both Shepard and Harbinger disapprove, but then they commit suicide, which brings the Reapers and the Milky Way inhabitants to forget their differences and try to work together to create a mega synthetic organism to house every single life form's collective conciousness. Mass brain orgy.

[ANdrewJ]

We can always blow up reapers in one swift move, although that depends on their shield strength.

Plan is "simple", luring the reapers into a system with ships and eliminate mass relay with another asteroid.
The other option is to give them a battle in unstable, near star going supernova (but this almost not predictable and rare).

Their shielding is problem -> if they endure, this will be waste of the fleet, mu-relay survived a supernova...
Conflict head on with fleet with thanix cannons and posbile shielding and armor upgrades - possible, but eliminate part by part, facing them "all-in" they eliminate everything.

Their weapons is a problem on top of the other one... Penetrating shield and hull with a single shot, there is little to no protection agains a stream of molten metal that rushing to hug you on several percent of light speed.

They have smaller ships -> threat to overwhelm GARDIAN and every other defence... There may be some device to keep the reapers at bay.

[Katamariguy]

SLPr0 wrote...

We'll use dark energy to explode the stars of every system they invade while we retreat into dark space to watch them die then we'll return and recolonize whats left of the galaxy.

What galaxy? You destroyed it all, remember?

Plan A: Lame Deux ex Machina/MacGuffin

Plan B: Pray

[Dexi]

Guerrilla fights, lured traps, facing individual/few Reapers with overwhelming odds ( don't forget that technology evolves fast even in ME universe - Thanix Cannons), last option kamikaze.
We already know not all Reapers are Sovereign-sized. Some are smaller, Sovereign is as big as they can get.
Reapers are not indestructible.
Also, remember that the Reaper invasion should have started lots of time ago. Sovereign's plan A was the Rachni Wars, which failed. So that was 2000 years ago. In 2000 years the galaxy evolved a lot, figures. The galaxy got stronger, fact not so good for the Reapers.

There won't be a doom button, imo. Or maybe there will be, but under the form of a Reaper weakness not really known until now.

[ANdrewJ]

Dexi wrote...

Guerrilla fights, lured traps, facing individual/few Reapers with overwhelming odds ( don't forget that technology evolves fast even in ME universe - Thanix Cannons), last option kamikaze.
We already know not all Reapers are Sovereign-sized. Some are smaller, Sovereign is as big as they can get.
Reapers are not indestructible.
Also, remember that the Reaper invasion should have started lots of time ago. Sovereign's plan A was the Rachni Wars, which failed. So that was 2000 years ago. In 2000 years the galaxy evolved a lot, figures. The galaxy got stronger, fact not so good for the Reapers.

There won't be a doom button, imo. Or maybe there will be, but under the form of a Reaper weakness not really known until now.

Please be mature, don`t start holywars.(tip for the future )
Even Hackett mention - combined fleets and Destiny Ascention to bring down one reaper. Reapers are 2km warships, there are a lot smaller reapers to take care of.
Sovereign plan failed, BUT remember the fact -> Racni not the first race of the reaper cycle, they may have many allies  with totally unknown possibilities.

I generally agree, but they have allies and lots of them (Vigil said that even Sovereign gathered allies for millenia, how many millenia?)

Protheans are wiped out, and this is just one race with a hell of technology (crack the secret behind the Mass Relays - aren`t schoolboy mind task!)
We don`t quite know what we are up against and that is the fact.

[N7 Vanguard]

Vanguard Shepard will use biotic charge and blast through the hulls of each and every reaper. It is going to be flipping sweet.

[Dexi]

ANdrewJ wrote...
Please be mature, don`t start holywars.(tip for the future )
Even Hackett mention - combined fleets and Destiny Ascention to bring down one reaper. Reapers are 2km warships, there are a lot smaller reapers to take care of.
Sovereign plan failed, BUT remember the fact -> Racni not the first race of the reaper cycle, they may have many allies  with totally unknown possibilities.

I generally agree, but they have allies and lots of them (Vigil said that even Sovereign gathered allies for millenia, how many millenia?)

Protheans are wiped out, and this is just one race with a hell of technology (crack the secret behind the Mass Relays - aren`t schoolboy mind task!)
We don`t quite know what we are up against and that is the fact.

Not starting holywars, but thats it. 
Considered that the "alies" that the Reapers gathered over the millenia are actually races who faced the cycle and got transformed into other Reapers? 

The Protheans did have a better technology, but the Protheans didn't have what we have: some knowledge that the Reapers are indeed coming; the element of surprise not that big on us, compared to the Protheans. Also, the Protheans were just 1 space faring race. In the current galaxy, there are a lot, all individual from each other and all will wanna put up a fight. 
Diversity, if combined means power. Where one's weakness lays, the other's strenght is. 
Remember, the Reaper left in the galaxy decides when to start the invasion ( this indeed happens every time around 50.000 after the last cycle ). The Protheans where reap'd when the Reaper vanguard of that time decided to. 
We got passed 2000 years from the moment Sovereign decided to reap us. 

What I'm trying to say is that it is decided when a race is ready to be harvested. That means that even with a lower technology, we were up to the same par with the Protheans 2000 years ago, now we're 2000 years in front of them.

[Geth_Prime]

With love and Conrad Verner.

[AlphaScrewySam]

H-bombs?

[TheZanSnake]

Thje Reaper Parents will suddenly arrive and tell then it's bed time, and they reluctantly leave to sleep for another 50,000 years, while Shepard is like "Thank f*** for that!"

[Eiliestl]

Nothing comes to mind . We are clearly fighting a loseing battle.

[Fredvdp]

Everyone will hold hands and defeat them using the power of love.

That or they lure them through a mass relay and put the exit inside a star.

[ANdrewJ]

Dexi wrote...

ANdrewJ wrote...
Please be mature, don`t start holywars.(tip for the future )
Even Hackett mention - combined fleets and Destiny Ascention to bring down one reaper. Reapers are 2km warships, there are a lot smaller reapers to take care of.
Sovereign plan failed, BUT remember the fact -> Racni not the first race of the reaper cycle, they may have many allies  with totally unknown possibilities.

I generally agree, but they have allies and lots of them (Vigil said that even Sovereign gathered allies for millenia, how many millenia?)

Protheans are wiped out, and this is just one race with a hell of technology (crack the secret behind the Mass Relays - aren`t schoolboy mind task!)
We don`t quite know what we are up against and that is the fact.

Not starting holywars, but thats it. 
Considered that the "alies" that the Reapers gathered over the millenia are actually races who faced the cycle and got transformed into other Reapers? 

The Protheans did have a better technology, but the Protheans didn't have what we have: some knowledge that the Reapers are indeed coming; the element of surprise not that big on us, compared to the Protheans. Also, the Protheans were just 1 space faring race. In the current galaxy, there are a lot, all individual from each other and all will wanna put up a fight. 
Diversity, if combined means power. Where one's weakness lays, the other's strenght is. 
Remember, the Reaper left in the galaxy decides when to start the invasion ( this indeed happens every time around 50.000 after the last cycle ). The Protheans where reap'd when the Reaper vanguard of that time decided to. 
We got passed 2000 years from the moment Sovereign decided to reap us. 

What I'm trying to say is that it is decided when a race is ready to be harvested. That means that even with a lower technology, we were up to the same par with the Protheans 2000 years ago, now we're 2000 years in front of them.

You are correct, reaper decides actually, but what technology do we really have to offer?

Every ship is equipped with Mass Accelerator cannons that vary in size only (bigger - on cruiser main guns/turrets and dreadnaughts).  
Shield is not able to withstand even 1 shot (also dreadnaught may survive one at best), that is flaw.
Remember the reaper weapons - they capable of inflicting a hell of a damage + spinal gun on the reapers are also unknown (it may target more than one target ot once perhaps) .

To be combat ready, we need ships bristling with Thanix as staple, mass accelerators are too weak to break sovereign size ship shields (battle was won beacause shields of Sovereign expereienced a malfunction when we have defeated it`s avatar)  and this gave us an upper hand only.

With even advanced technologies, refit time for the 1 ship can be at least 1-2 days, optimising and calibrating weapon systems (you have moltem metal in the barrel there! that is only held by magnetic field from melting the cannon barrel)
To refit a dreadnaught main guns you`ll need a ... 7 days or month depending on speed of work and safe place to do so (dreadnaught will be offline and still it not helps).
There is shields and possibly armor - you`ll need a hell of a time to refit the ships of citadel races and line them up to frag the reapers starting with medium size fleets.


You`ll need fighters, Oculi are there to swarm your GARDIAN and guidance systems, that will quickly make lasers overheat and go offline as well as other guns too (or heat will cook the crew alive).

You`ll need frigates to counter the enemy frigate-sized reapers that are on video as well as gameinformer magazine`s pages, as well as performing wolf pack raids on larger enemies.

And you`ll need a dreadnaughts bristling with Thanix weapon systems (or at least their main guns)  to counter the largest of the enemy warships, otherwise they ram all your smaller ships, you`ll need to kill them first.

And the last thing - Hackett with plan how to carefully win the battle (resources are not equal here) and some luck when you`ll face Harbinger - he is residing now in the dark space, and obviously have arsenal to obliterate small fleet.


Given known fact - Reapers attacking by surprise, they managing to swarm as many defences as they can while giving their elite forces on earth and to the citadel to slain council.
They have the element of surprise when almost everything not ready do make them toasted, perhaps Hackett and the geth were preparing but those forces alone are no match for entire reaper fleet. 

Total mobilization, upgrades of every possible thing in short amount of time with some trump cards to play (auxillary plans like blowing another relay, some weapon better than thanix, some technology for mobilisation of fleet to extreme ect...) and combined command of leading admirals of all races to shape a strategies in short time.

Geth have a lot of ships, but the mass accelerator technology screws everything - it`s extremely ineffective against the reaper shields, no matter the power (perhaps power of dreadnaught is the issue, we haven`t seen any dreadnaughts yet but we can`t fire on every reaper for days).

Summarizing:

- Thanix everywhere
- Shield and hull upgrades
- Tactics and TRUMP cards to play
- Coordinated command of the the biggest fleet assembled by council and non council species

And under our leadership we have a chance to tear them apart with advancing rapidly by eliminating small groups first.

 

[Dexi]

ANdrewJ wrote...

Dexi wrote...

ANdrewJ wrote...
Please be mature, don`t start holywars.(tip for the future )
Even Hackett mention - combined fleets and Destiny Ascention to bring down one reaper. Reapers are 2km warships, there are a lot smaller reapers to take care of.
Sovereign plan failed, BUT remember the fact -> Racni not the first race of the reaper cycle, they may have many allies  with totally unknown possibilities.

I generally agree, but they have allies and lots of them (Vigil said that even Sovereign gathered allies for millenia, how many millenia?)

Protheans are wiped out, and this is just one race with a hell of technology (crack the secret behind the Mass Relays - aren`t schoolboy mind task!)
We don`t quite know what we are up against and that is the fact.

Not starting holywars, but thats it. 
Considered that the "alies" that the Reapers gathered over the millenia are actually races who faced the cycle and got transformed into other Reapers? 

The Protheans did have a better technology, but the Protheans didn't have what we have: some knowledge that the Reapers are indeed coming; the element of surprise not that big on us, compared to the Protheans. Also, the Protheans were just 1 space faring race. In the current galaxy, there are a lot, all individual from each other and all will wanna put up a fight. 
Diversity, if combined means power. Where one's weakness lays, the other's strenght is. 
Remember, the Reaper left in the galaxy decides when to start the invasion ( this indeed happens every time around 50.000 after the last cycle ). The Protheans where reap'd when the Reaper vanguard of that time decided to. 
We got passed 2000 years from the moment Sovereign decided to reap us. 

What I'm trying to say is that it is decided when a race is ready to be harvested. That means that even with a lower technology, we were up to the same par with the Protheans 2000 years ago, now we're 2000 years in front of them.

You are correct, reaper decides actually, but what technology do we really have to offer?

Every ship is equipped with Mass Accelerator cannons that vary in size only (bigger - on cruiser main guns/turrets and dreadnaughts).  
Shield is not able to withstand even 1 shot (also dreadnaught may survive one at best), that is flaw.
Remember the reaper weapons - they capable of inflicting a hell of a damage + spinal gun on the reapers are also unknown (it may target more than one target ot once perhaps) .

To be combat ready, we need ships bristling with Thanix as staple, mass accelerators are too weak to break sovereign size ship shields (battle was won beacause shields of Sovereign expereienced a malfunction when we have defeated it`s avatar)  and this gave us an upper hand only.

With even advanced technologies, refit time for the 1 ship can be at least 1-2 days, optimising and calibrating weapon systems (you have moltem metal in the barrel there! that is only held by magnetic field from melting the cannon barrel)
To refit a dreadnaught main guns you`ll need a ... 7 days or month depending on speed of work and safe place to do so (dreadnaught will be offline and still it not helps).
There is shields and possibly armor - you`ll need a hell of a time to refit the ships of citadel races and line them up to frag the reapers starting with medium size fleets.


You`ll need fighters, Oculi are there to swarm your GARDIAN and guidance systems, that will quickly make lasers overheat and go offline as well as other guns too (or heat will cook the crew alive).

You`ll need frigates to counter the enemy frigate-sized reapers that are on video as well as gameinformer magazine`s pages, as well as performing wolf pack raids on larger enemies.

And you`ll need a dreadnaughts bristling with Thanix weapon systems (or at least their main guns)  to counter the largest of the enemy warships, otherwise they ram all your smaller ships, you`ll need to kill them first.

And the last thing - Hackett with plan how to carefully win the battle (resources are not equal here) and some luck when you`ll face Harbinger - he is residing now in the dark space, and obviously have arsenal to obliterate small fleet.


Given known fact - Reapers attacking by surprise, they managing to swarm as many defences as they can while giving their elite forces on earth and to the citadel to slain council.
They have the element of surprise when almost everything not ready do make them toasted, perhaps Hackett and the geth were preparing but those forces alone are no match for entire reaper fleet. 

Total mobilization, upgrades of every possible thing in short amount of time with some trump cards to play (auxillary plans like blowing another relay, some weapon better than thanix, some technology for mobilisation of fleet to extreme ect...) and combined command of leading admirals of all races to shape a strategies in short time.

Geth have a lot of ships, but the mass accelerator technology screws everything - it`s extremely ineffective against the reaper shields, no matter the power (perhaps power of dreadnaught is the issue, we haven`t seen any dreadnaughts yet but we can`t fire on every reaper for days).

Summarizing:

- Thanix everywhere
- Shield and hull upgrades
- Tactics and TRUMP cards to play
- Coordinated command of the the biggest fleet assembled by council and non council species

And under our leadership we have a chance to tear them apart with advancing rapidly by eliminating small groups first.

Yes, you wrote here exatcly what I'm thinking, from a neutral point of view  

[ANdrewJ]

I`m also thinking about hand-held thanix... As reaper frigates are patrolling the city and we need something bigger than M-8 to hit them.

[Babli]

Not every Reaper is as big as Sovereign. It was said that many of them may be just 500 - 600 metres long.

There´s our deus ex machina.

I wish I was wrong. I really dont want to defeat Reapers just with one big fleet of various species.

[Thane64]

I reckon that shepherd will give thane a nuke and thane uses it to kill 2 reapers and himself because he's already dying. I hope thats not the case (yay, Thane bromance) but its one way to sign out with a bang.

[Brendanoz]

imo shepard lures the entire reaper fleet into a black hole, then end

[LyndseyCousland]

PIKACHU, I CHOOSE YOUUUUU.

[Fozz20]

Jeff Goldblum will create a swanky new computer virus, and with the help of Will Smith will upload it to Harbinger. This will take down all the reaper shields and allow the races of the galaxy to band together and take them down one by one with ease.

That is all.