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[ReinaHW]

The Reapers catch a cold and all die, or some horrible kid appeal character like Jar Jar Binks and Revenge Of The Fallen Wheelie, as well as Skids and Mudflap, will save the day by humping one of the female character's legs while swearing a lot and being all Gangsta wannabe.
That would be horrible beyond all reason.

I'm hoping for something much more satisifying, something truly edge of the seat.

[Evercrow]

ANdrewJ wrote...

My goal is not long and bloody war, but tactical and swift one - turtling ends with enemy gains knowledge of you and developing a nice counter to your strategies.
Secrecy, swiftness and concentration of the effort is key to eliminate them all, you can`t afford lose ships just like that.


EMP device won`t be that useful - they use not mass effect based
shields, that why their artifacts and relays almost indestructible and
last for millenias, but they do need a hell of an energy to substain it -
that may be critical surge here.

I know, but it's still long and bloody compared to deus ex machina,reaper doom button, reaper virus and so forth.That's what i mean't, not that we use our fleets as a cannon fodder.

Their shields may not be mass effect field based, but they certainly use mass effect cores to control gravitational pull(Derelict Reaper). That why destabilizing this cores from distance when some heavy celestial body in proximity could be effective. I doubt those shields would survive being plunged in some hot star.

[ANdrewJ]

Turneyvore wrote...

ANdrewJ wrote...

Paulinius wrote...

Some good analysis by people in this thread.

There will be a mix of taking down a few Reapers in a conventional ways in the beginning/middle of the game until the final battle that defeats the Reapers or forces them to retreat. What that will be, I'm not sure. All the talk on Dark Matter during Tali's recruitment and loyalty mission might be a clue or it might just be a dead end.

Personally, if I were an admiral or general in the ME universe when the Reapers arrived, I would use suicide ships to take out individual Reapers. The mass accelerators fire a relatively small (20 kg) projectile at only 1% +/- the speed of light and it causes massive damage. Now imagine a fighter, shuttle, or an old freighter that weighs a few tons to a couple hundred tons hitting you at FTL speeds. The force would be imaginable and should destroy (hopefully) a Reaper. Of course, this would require swarm tactics since the ships need to be fairly close in order to increase the odds of an intercept trajectory at such high speeds, plus the Reapers wouldn't just sit idly by.

Anyway, as for finishing the Reapers off en masse, I don't know what they are going to use. Luring them into a single star system and destroying it makes absolutely no sense. How would you lure in all or even a large majority of the Reapers into a single location? They are too smart to put all their eggs in one basket. Plus luring them into a star system smells like a trap to me, and I'm sure hundreds of advanced AI lifeforms that are billions of years old could see that trap coming a lightyear away. Plus, destroying a star wouldn't do much since the blast, radiation, and all the particles resulting from the blast would travel at most at light speed. So unless you get all the Reapers to hang out on the surface of a star, they would just engage FTL and avoid the blast.

You are correct, but with one major flaw - detonating star is difficult, detonating a relay (a powerful one) will be enough to destroy reaper, decision to go FTL won`t be issued quick even by them.

To you it`s a trap, but it`s not a trap when you holding living people on the surface or evacuating them. You need to create an illusion of sweat, candy target they cannot miss and thing is done.

Problems are mostly how to blow the relay with asteroid and how propertly lure them there, anything with more than 40 percent of reapers are very good.
Eliminate everyone is not easy with 1 blast - their target is earth and they mostly will reside there, but weakining them is the possibility worth taking.

Remember - every cruiser and fighter is worth platinum now.

FTL speed? nice, you`ll need ship full of ordance that will detonate it on contact to do the damage needed.
That can be the fighters, transporters, but not Cruisers or Frigates beacause they are valuable and able to take down more than one reaper.

How to lure? Put there something of value and spread the word of it on the extranet.

We don't need to lure the Reapers anywhere. There are already a ton of them on Earth. Crash Gagarin Station in the Charon Relay and we have ourselves a good portion of the Reapers turned to ash. They're already going to kill everyone on Earth anyway. This way there deaths can mean something.

You ready to witness  the blood of more than 11 billions of people on your hands?  I would sacrifice earth, by doing so we getting rid of massive chunk of:
- Bribed politicians
- Arrogant people
- Corruption network of the alliance
- Almost every possible bad thing in there including alliance arrogant serveants.

Heroic sacrifice of billions can bring ultimate respect to humans (there are colonies still - remember? Humans are able to restore again even better without such beings like Udina) and be a heavy burden on the next generations.
This is lasat option and still an option as sacrificing the cultural/technological and political hub is ( i mean homeworld of any race) .

But in the end - Earth hate you or not, is still may have good people, that haven`t deserved that approach even on the war. Do you stop wiping the dust from the table just beacause it will be there again? 

This way their death will mean something, yeah, i can`t speculate on this beacause this is correct. Humanity will have colonies everywhere by this time as well as needed population to recover after time, respect of every other race for such heroic sacrifice, even batarians will shut up after this.

Earth is a center of corruption (it`s now and will be this centre), arrogance of politicians, where everyone with power instead of common goal pursues it`s own (if memory don`t fail me -> Major Antella? That alliance slime that tried to take us to custody, but hackett "saved us") and don`t bothered to do anything for better future for everyone.  This is fact - Earth is corruption lair of people who want galactic dominance beacause "they deserve it", other races have in some part corruption too, but know their place, but the alliance don`t care - 1 or million of corpses will be created in the  path to the position above everyone. This sacrifice is standing as resolution of conflict and hugest  crime commited, beacause some people have actually good heart and worth of saving, yet we blew everything beacause of several ten  thousand of corrupted bastards (there is no better word for them)).

But at first we need to centralise on protection of other races, slowly by rescuing and getting support race by race, increasing fleet and overall power, taking advantage of the reaper "bloody lunch" time on earth we may end up with not only fleet with advanced weaponry, we may end up with a solution - ultimate counter to them. 
Then, with such force and counter - we`ll give them fight with minimal casulaties and take back earth (other races homeworlds will be safe) applying that counter and following with massive onslaught of combined races fleets (they WILL face a hell of a guns in really large numbers)  in a single battle - we eliminate reaper fleet with minimal casulaties.

That way we will take the earth back with some people left, or at least what remains of it and make a MEMORIALOF HEROIC SACRIFICE of millions that allowed all races to continue and live and move on, remembering about huge mistake - of ignoring possible threat even if there is a lot of obvious evidences of it`s presence, being completely blind to those who warned.


Memorial will be a gargantuan structure made of precious materials with a names of everyone who`s lives were lost in reaper battle, written with care and decoration, featuring on it`s sides a figures or detailed drawing of every possible ship of all races facing upwards a little with huge SR-2 above them all in the centre. There will be top of it, where will be full size, beautifully made statues of every race council representative as well as other race leaders beacause everyone lost more than ship in this war. Everyone will stand neart each other, equal in height, placing their hands on the Citadel model as mark of equality and galactic unity. There will be a place in front of this, featuring  statues of us with our LI higher in height than new council for our loses and sacrifices we have suffered and endured protecting everyone, holding  each other while facing the new council of all species holding their hands on the citadel model. All around us - circle made of Normandy crew facing the sky with their weapons raised in the air, shielding us (beacause they made their part in the war, while we making the critical strikes against a reaper fleet - they held them and their troops at bay) and representatives of other races against the threat with small, pieces of the reapers around the cirle. 

We and LI facing the citadel model and higher than anyone else looking a bit above them all, as well as the circle made from the crew to show that we saw the danger, although heads of the Anderson, Hackett, Quarian and the Geth representatives may also look upwards to show the same.


And when this memorial will be built - all races representatives, will come down on earth this memorial as well as many crews of the ships that participated and destroyed the reaper fleet, and will have moment of silence to mourn the dead and begin celebration of the opening the memorial and victory over the reapers.
We, each councilor and admiral will make a speech as well as shorter speeches from our crewmembers, and begin celebration to show that not the Sovereign, nor the Harbinger with it`s reaper fleet can do anything to stop the combined alliance of equal races. 
The council members will answer questions as well as the admirals, to show that threat make everyone equal  and united against common foe and whole night will be celebration, continued on each homeworld of the all races for a week.
While we and our LI getting a house on the homeworld and living in a new galaxy, renewed and equalized by the threat of scale and power never known before.
And we actually with blessing of Casey Hudson begin some missions that decorate and show the living in our Home with LI, small quests, lovely views and a lot of cuddling, love, care, softness  that surround us and LI in a blanket of peace every day.

[N7Infernox]

Matyrdom: We sacrifice every living being in the galaxy in battle, ending the cycle by starving them...you know it to be true...

[karatemanchan37]

N7Infernox wrote...

Matyrdom: We sacrifice every living being in the galaxy in battle, ending the cycle by starving them...you know it to be true...

That's actually quite logical - I wouldn't be suprised if this was actually the renegade way.

[stu117]

N7Infernox wrote...

Matyrdom: We sacrifice every living being in the galaxy in battle, ending the cycle by starving them...you know it to be true...

sounds like halo o.O the first one

[N7Infernox]

stu117 wrote...

N7Infernox wrote...

Matyrdom: We sacrifice every living being in the galaxy in battle, ending the cycle by starving them...you know it to be true...

sounds like halo o.O the first one

haha I didn't even realize that as I was writing that, and I've played all of the Halo games too! Who knows... maybe Shepard invents the 7 Halos.

[man giraffe dog2]

ManGiraffeDog will appear and destroy everything.

[Fogg]

Shephard heads into a deserted London and finally decides to give up his life by rushing towards the Reapers, only to discover they have succumbed to terrestrial pathogenic bacteria, to which they have no immunity.

[The Fan]

 I wonder if Reapers are more vulnerable on the ground than in space. 

[The Fan]

N7Infernox wrote...

stu117 wrote...

N7Infernox wrote...

Matyrdom: We sacrifice every living being in the galaxy in battle, ending the cycle by starving them...you know it to be true...

sounds like halo o.O the first one

haha I didn't even realize that as I was writing that, and I've played all of the Halo games too! Who knows... maybe Shepard invents the 7 Halos.

OMG Shepard is a forerunner??? 
Edit: Just so you know this is a forerunner.

Modifié par The Fan, 24 avril 2011 - 06:38 .

[stu117]

zomg the prothiens were forerunners and somewhere they built a giant ring that will take out the reapers! Shepard's gonna go there in a green suit! it all makes sense now

[Dexi]

Lol I love how some people are trying to have a decent debate, with good questions and resolves and then others come in and say they'll let the Biotic God kill the reapers...

[Endurium]

Don't worry, Bioware will railroad them or us into one conclusion or another.

[Brixxer600]

We are all going to die and the cycle will begin again , the end is nigh:alien:

[Brixxer600]

Double post:whistle:

Modifié par Brixxer600, 24 avril 2011 - 07:32 .

[Paulinius]

Turneyvore wrote...

ANdrewJ wrote...

Paulinius wrote...

Some good analysis by people in this thread.

There will be a mix of taking down a few Reapers in a conventional ways in the beginning/middle of the game until the final battle that defeats the Reapers or forces them to retreat. What that will be, I'm not sure. All the talk on Dark Matter during Tali's recruitment and loyalty mission might be a clue or it might just be a dead end.

Personally, if I were an admiral or general in the ME universe when the Reapers arrived, I would use suicide ships to take out individual Reapers. The mass accelerators fire a relatively small (20 kg) projectile at only 1% +/- the speed of light and it causes massive damage. Now imagine a fighter, shuttle, or an old freighter that weighs a few tons to a couple hundred tons hitting you at FTL speeds. The force would be imaginable and should destroy (hopefully) a Reaper. Of course, this would require swarm tactics since the ships need to be fairly close in order to increase the odds of an intercept trajectory at such high speeds, plus the Reapers wouldn't just sit idly by.

Anyway, as for finishing the Reapers off en masse, I don't know what they are going to use. Luring them into a single star system and destroying it makes absolutely no sense. How would you lure in all or even a large majority of the Reapers into a single location? They are too smart to put all their eggs in one basket. Plus luring them into a star system smells like a trap to me, and I'm sure hundreds of advanced AI lifeforms that are billions of years old could see that trap coming a lightyear away. Plus, destroying a star wouldn't do much since the blast, radiation, and all the particles resulting from the blast would travel at most at light speed. So unless you get all the Reapers to hang out on the surface of a star, they would just engage FTL and avoid the blast.

You are correct, but with one major flaw - detonating star is difficult, detonating a relay (a powerful one) will be enough to destroy reaper, decision to go FTL won`t be issued quick even by them.

To you it`s a trap, but it`s not a trap when you holding living people on the surface or evacuating them. You need to create an illusion of sweat, candy target they cannot miss and thing is done.

Problems are mostly how to blow the relay with asteroid and how propertly lure them there, anything with more than 40 percent of reapers are very good.
Eliminate everyone is not easy with 1 blast - their target is earth and they mostly will reside there, but weakining them is the possibility worth taking.

Remember - every cruiser and fighter is worth platinum now.

FTL speed? nice, you`ll need ship full of ordance that will detonate it on contact to do the damage needed.
That can be the fighters, transporters, but not Cruisers or Frigates beacause they are valuable and able to take down more than one reaper.

How to lure? Put there something of value and spread the word of it on the extranet.

We don't need to lure the Reapers anywhere. There are already a ton of them on Earth. Crash Gagarin Station in the Charon Relay and we have ourselves a good portion of the Reapers turned to ash. They're already going to kill everyone on Earth anyway. This way there deaths can mean something.

Sorry, but that really wouldn't work. The mass relay is out by Pluto, which has an elliptical orbit and whose distance from the sun ranges from 30 AU to 49.5 AU. At its closest, it will take the light/radiation/shockwave from the dentonation of the relay 4 hours to reach Earth. That gives the Reapers plenty of time to FTL out of the system.

[Dem_B]

I can see how many people here talks about the destruction of star systems.
If you destroy star systems, will die a lot of people.
What differentiates you from the Reapers? You are doing a lesser evil?
Imagine the situation. Terrorists took hostages at the school, we put a missile strike on school and destroy the terrorists.

Yes it is a war, but such a victory worse than a defeat.
In war there is always the victim, but killing civilians to achieve their goal - a war crime, it's not the way to win a war - it's way into the hell.

I believe that the dedication and courage of ordinary people, if each will be striving to win - it's most powerful weapon. 
Incredible efforts can stop the onslaught of the Reapers. It should be not only efforts by individual heroes.

The "super weapon" that are I support - is more powerful beings than Reapers is beings of light.

The other "super weapon" is nanotech robots, that are corroding metal. Description planet Zaherux.

Paulinius wrote...
would use suicide ships to take out individual Reapers. Now imagine a fighter, shuttle, or an old freighter that weighs a few tons to a couple hundred tons hitting you at FTL speeds.

 


It's a good idea.


Weapons
do not always must be tangible, as a kinetic strike.
Weapons can be an electromagnetic pulse, which makes system crash or beam of antimatter, collision particles and antiparticles is their mutual annihilation, thus releasing huge amounts of energy.
Weapons can be based not only on mass effect!
If create a unique weapon that is not based on the technology of mass effect, then the Reapers will not be able to resist this.

But the most powerful weapon it's if each will be striving to win, not sparing himself, but not meaningless sacrifice.

[Dexi]

Dem_B wrote...


I can see how many people here talks about the destruction of star systems.
If you destroy star systems, will die a lot of people.
What differentiates you from the Reapers? You are doing a lesser evil?
Imagine the situation. Terrorists took hostages at the school, we put a missile strike on school and destroy the terrorists.

Yes it is a war, but such a victory worse than a defeat.
In war there is always the victim, but killing civilians to achieve their goal - a war crime, it's not the way to win a war - it's way into the hell.

I believe that the dedication and courage of ordinary people, if each will be striving to win - it's most powerful weapon. 
Incredible efforts can stop the onslaught of the Reapers. It should be not only efforts by individual heroes.

The "super weapon" that are I support - is more powerful beings than Reapers is beings of light.

The other "super weapon" is nanotech robots, that are corroding metal. Description planet Zaherux.

Paulinius wrote...
would use suicide ships to take out individual Reapers. Now imagine a fighter, shuttle, or an old freighter that weighs a few tons to a couple hundred tons hitting you at FTL speeds.

 


It's a good idea.


Weapons
do not always must be tangible, as a kinetic strike.
Weapons can be an electromagnetic pulse, which makes system crash or beam of antimatter, collision particles and antiparticles is their mutual annihilation, thus releasing huge amounts of energy.
Weapons can be based not only on mass effect!
If create a unique weapon that is not based on the technology of mass effect, then the Reapers will not be able to resist this.

But the most powerful weapon it's if each will be striving to win, not sparing himself, but not meaningless sacrifice.

Meh, nice try at being smart but no... xD 
The super weapons you mentioned are deus ex machinas... I mean, really... Beings of light screams "fake and gay" for me. And nanotech robots... you'd think someone would have thought about that in the hundreds of Reaper cycles... Why couldn't the reapers "indoctrinate" the robots and use them themselves? No... moar "fake and gay".
Electromagnetic pulses wouldn't work... the Reapers aren't just "machines", they're a mixture of organic and unorganic, plus they're sentient, not AI. Particles and antiparticles, yes, huge energy, but a Mass Relay remained operational after a super nova... Super nova, like the biggest amount of energy release you can get. And the Reapers are most likely made out of similar materials as the Mass Relays. 
Plus, it is already stated that conventional weapons ( including energy "bursters") wouldn't work against the Reapers because of their very powerful shields.

And you're comparison with the terrorists, imo, is flawed... 
Terrorists would want something, even just to make a point... They're driven by thing that we know, and we know how to go around they're presumed civilian violence to get as many civilians alive as possible ( most likely all). 
A group of terrorists compared to the size of the US Amry is laughable. 

The correct analogy for terrorists would be that us, the Council species, are the terrorists, and that the Reapers are the ones that decide to drop a bomb or not.
And they wouldn't. They wouldn't sacrifice some of their own in such a useless way, when they could just as well anihilate us by normal means ( by definite overpower). 

Yes it is a war, but such a victory worse than a defeat.

Wrong... A victory means there are chances that some races, if not all, will survive and repopulate the galaxy... Defeat means nobody lives, nobody escapes, total anihilation... How is 0 survivors ( a defeat) better than several million survivors (a hard victory)?

[Dem_B]

Dexi wrote...

Electromagnetic pulses wouldn't work... the Reapers aren't just "machines", they're a mixture of organic and unorganic, plus they're sentient, not AI. Particles and antiparticles, yes, huge energy, but a Mass Relay remained operational after a super nova... Super nova, like the biggest amount of energy release you can get. And the Reapers are most likely made out of similar materials as the Mass Relays. 
Plus, it is already stated that conventional weapons ( including energy "bursters") wouldn't work against the Reapers because of their very powerful shields.

I know that they are not AI, I'm not suggesting use stupid virus - Electromagnetism is not virus.
Electromagnetic pulse will not kill the Reapers, but to incapacitate them.
Beam of antimatter. Shields delayed kinetic energy. Collision particles and antiparticles is not a kinetic strike it's the interaction of particles, shield consists of particles, metal consist of particles. Collision particles and antiparticles is their mutual annihilation, and in result after annihilation thus releasing huge amounts of energy. Will destroy is not the explosion but the interaction particles.
This is physics.

Dexi wrote...

Yes it is a war, but such a victory worse than a defeat.

 


Wrong... A victory means there are chances that some races, if not all, will survive and repopulate the galaxy... Defeat means nobody lives, nobody escapes, total anihilation... How is 0 survivors ( a defeat) better than several million survivors (a hard victory)?

Such a victory worse than a defeat, because this will lead to a new war between the survivors, there will be chaos in the end, we ourselves will destroy itself.
During World War II the U.S. was an ally of the USSR, but after was a Cold War and the countries were threatened to destroy each other's nuclear strikes.
This is history.

[ANdrewJ]

Dexi wrote...

Dem_B wrote...


I can see how many people here talks about the destruction of star systems.
If you destroy star systems, will die a lot of people.
What differentiates you from the Reapers? You are doing a lesser evil?
Imagine the situation. Terrorists took hostages at the school, we put a missile strike on school and destroy the terrorists.

Yes it is a war, but such a victory worse than a defeat.
In war there is always the victim, but killing civilians to achieve their goal - a war crime, it's not the way to win a war - it's way into the hell.

I believe that the dedication and courage of ordinary people, if each will be striving to win - it's most powerful weapon. 
Incredible efforts can stop the onslaught of the Reapers. It should be not only efforts by individual heroes.

The "super weapon" that are I support - is more powerful beings than Reapers is beings of light.

The other "super weapon" is nanotech robots, that are corroding metal. Description planet Zaherux.

Paulinius wrote...
would use suicide ships to take out individual Reapers. Now imagine a fighter, shuttle, or an old freighter that weighs a few tons to a couple hundred tons hitting you at FTL speeds.

 


It's a good idea.


Weapons
do not always must be tangible, as a kinetic strike.
Weapons can be an electromagnetic pulse, which makes system crash or beam of antimatter, collision particles and antiparticles is their mutual annihilation, thus releasing huge amounts of energy.
Weapons can be based not only on mass effect!
If create a unique weapon that is not based on the technology of mass effect, then the Reapers will not be able to resist this.

But the most powerful weapon it's if each will be striving to win, not sparing himself, but not meaningless sacrifice.

Meh, nice try at being smart but no... xD 
The super weapons you mentioned are deus ex machinas... I mean, really... Beings of light screams "fake and gay" for me. And nanotech robots... you'd think someone would have thought about that in the hundreds of Reaper cycles... Why couldn't the reapers "indoctrinate" the robots and use them themselves? No... moar "fake and gay".
Electromagnetic pulses wouldn't work... the Reapers aren't just "machines", they're a mixture of organic and unorganic, plus they're sentient, not AI. Particles and antiparticles, yes, huge energy, but a Mass Relay remained operational after a super nova... Super nova, like the biggest amount of energy release you can get. And the Reapers are most likely made out of similar materials as the Mass Relays. 
Plus, it is already stated that conventional weapons ( including energy "bursters") wouldn't work against the Reapers because of their very powerful shields.

And you're comparison with the terrorists, imo, is flawed... 
Terrorists would want something, even just to make a point... They're driven by thing that we know, and we know how to go around they're presumed civilian violence to get as many civilians alive as possible ( most likely all). 
A group of terrorists compared to the size of the US Amry is laughable. 

The correct analogy for terrorists would be that us, the Council species, are the terrorists, and that the Reapers are the ones that decide to drop a bomb or not.
And they wouldn't. They wouldn't sacrifice some of their own in such a useless way, when they could just as well anihilate us by normal means ( by definite overpower). 

Yes it is a war, but such a victory worse than a defeat.

Wrong... A victory means there are chances that some races, if not all, will survive and repopulate the galaxy... Defeat means nobody lives, nobody escapes, total anihilation... How is 0 survivors ( a defeat) better than several million survivors (a hard victory)?

You have a hell of a soul if you throwing everyone to hell.

I told here about mass relays, they are protected with quantum stasis field much like biotic stasis as Objech Rho and even mining laser is unable to scratch them.
You`ll need  a nuke and it`s not a fact that it is enough, it may take nice hit from sovereign gun and still operate like nothing happened.

There is no brain required to annihilate, but their target is to study - that means isolation ans slow abduction - cutting all means of communication with each other and extranet. Harbinger is interested in studying humans and after this putting them to good use.

You`ll need antimatter weapons, beacause 1g of matter and antimatter is annihilation with energy release like average nuke. Imagine if you do annihilation of 20 Kg of this thing, this is very difficult to perform (you need a hell of a magnetic field to hold the antimatter.) but it may be enough to blew tight packed formation of reapers (shockwave must be tremendous in it`s size). 
Particles and antiparticles? Mass relays are most powerful engines out here that create zero-mass corridor between themselves, although  there are powerful ones like alpha and there are a lot of them - they can send cargo simultaniously to every relay.



Vigil stated that they are machines and our goal is to find a way to beat them, rather than understand their motivations and goals.

Also - reapers possess control of mass relays, they may shut down any relay after entry.

I do understand that you have approximated by equaling us to terrorists, but more likely the reapers are terrorists that grown in numbers long ago.
Reapers also maybe the very first race that used to mix themselves with synthetic components and reaper is a bad end of such an alliance.

Also i think that sovereign gave us  some kind of warning, when he spoke about the realm beyound our comprehension (some location, even closest galaxy). Or that maybe he meant what is it to be a reaper, or something far more terrible than the reapers are.

Reminding - keep everything polite and on topic, the last thing we need is "close thread" button.  

[Urdnot Orrad]

VioletSparks wrote...

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

Does no-one read the articles? Hudson has already stated that there IS no "Reaper OFF button". Christ.

As for me, I stick to the Beings of Light hypothesis that I put forth in this thread, and I'll stay with it until ME3 is released and I can find out for sure if I am correct.

I'm pretty sure that the "beings of light" are either deluded ramblings about the reapers (thus why the other quote is "machine gods") or in reference to the protheans. It was that deluded volus who said this stuff, and that was blatantly because he had stumbled across another prothean beacon. at least i hope. if they introduce some assassin's creed style 'old gods' i will kill myself, though not before I torch bioware

basically, just reaper/prothean ****

The quote is "machine devils", and he most likely was referring to the Reapers, because he said the so-called "Beings of Light" were created at the beginning of time to combat the "machine devils". And as we know, Reapers are, or at least think they are, "eternal beings".

These Beings of Light, if they even exist or existed, would most likely not be Prothean, as the Protheans were not around at "the beginning of time". It is highly likely that like Shepard, if the volus received a vision from a beacon or some sort of mental message, that he would be called crazy and deluded... that wouldn't mean he was.

[Dexi]

ANdrewJ wrote...
You have a hell of a soul if you throwing everyone to hell.

I told here about mass relays, they are protected with quantum stasis field much like biotic stasis as Objech Rho and even mining laser is unable to scratch them.
You`ll need  a nuke and it`s not a fact that it is enough, it may take nice hit from sovereign gun and still operate like nothing happened.

There is no brain required to annihilate, but their target is to study - that means isolation ans slow abduction - cutting all means of communication with each other and extranet. Harbinger is interested in studying humans and after this putting them to good use.

You`ll need antimatter weapons, beacause 1g of matter and antimatter is annihilation with energy release like average nuke. Imagine if you do annihilation of 20 Kg of this thing, this is very difficult to perform (you need a hell of a magnetic field to hold the antimatter.) but it may be enough to blew tight packed formation of reapers (shockwave must be tremendous in it`s size). 
Particles and antiparticles? Mass relays are most powerful engines out here that create zero-mass corridor between themselves, although  there are powerful ones like alpha and there are a lot of them - they can send cargo simultaniously to every relay.



Vigil stated that they are machines and our goal is to find a way to beat them, rather than understand their motivations and goals.

Also - reapers possess control of mass relays, they may shut down any relay after entry.

I do understand that you have approximated by equaling us to terrorists, but more likely the reapers are terrorists that grown in numbers long ago.
Reapers also maybe the very first race that used to mix themselves with synthetic components and reaper is a bad end of such an alliance.

Also i think that sovereign gave us  some kind of warning, when he spoke about the realm beyound our comprehension (some location, even closest galaxy). Or that maybe he meant what is it to be a reaper, or something far more terrible than the reapers are.

Reminding - keep everything polite and on topic, the last thing we need is "close thread" button.  

If the Reapers are made out of the same stuff as the Mass Relays, then:
A supernova releases energy equal to ten octillion megatons of TNT. You need 10 trilion of the biggest, most powerful nukes we currently have to replicate a supernova. 
So you need 10 trillion grams of matter and antimatter to replicate a supernova. That means 10,000,000,000 kgs of matter and antimatter. 
That's what it takes to scratch a Mass Relay, because of their shields and thing they're made of. 

And yes, from our perspective, the Reapers are the terrorists that grown in numbers long ago, but from they're perspective, we're the pesky terrorists. Destroying Sovereign and the Mass Relay in Arrival is like 9/11 for them. 

[ItsCalledAGeth]

Or maybe the genophage the Salariansare debating on Surr' Kesh is actually intended for use on the Reapers. Limiting their reproductive capabilities in turn destroying their culture. Some Reapers return to dark space and try to rebuild while the rest fight as mercenaries or join the Blood Pack.
Just kidding.
Honestly, their must be some secret way because if the entire game was about like 150 small battles with Reapers, I would be disappointed.

[ANdrewJ]

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ANdrewJ wrote...
You have a hell of a soul if you throwing everyone to hell.

I told here about mass relays, they are protected with quantum stasis field much like biotic stasis as Objech Rho and even mining laser is unable to scratch them.
You`ll need  a nuke and it`s not a fact that it is enough, it may take nice hit from sovereign gun and still operate like nothing happened.

There is no brain required to annihilate, but their target is to study - that means isolation ans slow abduction - cutting all means of communication with each other and extranet. Harbinger is interested in studying humans and after this putting them to good use.

You`ll need antimatter weapons, beacause 1g of matter and antimatter is annihilation with energy release like average nuke. Imagine if you do annihilation of 20 Kg of this thing, this is very difficult to perform (you need a hell of a magnetic field to hold the antimatter.) but it may be enough to blew tight packed formation of reapers (shockwave must be tremendous in it`s size). 
Particles and antiparticles? Mass relays are most powerful engines out here that create zero-mass corridor between themselves, although  there are powerful ones like alpha and there are a lot of them - they can send cargo simultaniously to every relay.



Vigil stated that they are machines and our goal is to find a way to beat them, rather than understand their motivations and goals.

Also - reapers possess control of mass relays, they may shut down any relay after entry.

I do understand that you have approximated by equaling us to terrorists, but more likely the reapers are terrorists that grown in numbers long ago.
Reapers also maybe the very first race that used to mix themselves with synthetic components and reaper is a bad end of such an alliance.

Also i think that sovereign gave us  some kind of warning, when he spoke about the realm beyound our comprehension (some location, even closest galaxy). Or that maybe he meant what is it to be a reaper, or something far more terrible than the reapers are.

Reminding - keep everything polite and on topic, the last thing we need is "close thread" button.  

If the Reapers are made out of the same stuff as the Mass Relays, then:
A supernova releases energy equal to ten octillion megatons of TNT. You need 10 trilion of the biggest, most powerful nukes we currently have to replicate a supernova. 
So you need 10 trillion grams of matter and antimatter to replicate a supernova. That means 10,000,000,000 kgs of matter and antimatter. 
That's what it takes to scratch a Mass Relay, because of their shields and thing they're made of. 

And yes, from our perspective, the Reapers are the terrorists that grown in numbers long ago, but from they're perspective, we're the pesky terrorists. Destroying Sovereign and the Mass Relay in Arrival is like 9/11 for them. 

You don`t get my point, i`m saying that we`ll need the 20kg of antimatter warhead to take small reaper formation out of order.
There is no need is such gigantic amount of matter/antimatter, beacause like 10-20 grams already outperform a nuke in power, that DOES NOT mean that we need to rely on gigantic station that will contain and annihilate ten billion kgs of antimatter, beacause it`s take too long to get antimatter(one that fact is a flaw for a ten years or more), "fill" the station  and fire it, besides it makes it #1 target.
There is need antimatter for fueling engines, as well it may be useful to take down reapers faster than ripping them with Thanix and filling with holes from Mass Accelerator guns - that is solid fact.

We may seem as terrorists to each other, yet reapers eliminate everyone, every race, that is crime that have no equal. They follow harvesting pattern to fill their numbers for unknown reasons, they doing terrible things with everyone - indoctrination, enslaving, brain washing, genetic alteration.... 

They are not even civilisation! No culture, simply - wait&harvest pattern cycle, no goverment (primitive hierarchy on complex level at best) - that alone make them an result of terrible experiment that backfired and failed so long ago that no evidence left.
 
The worst thing to expect that they harvesting races and filling their numbers to please more powerful race or races in the near galaxy, that explains much and ruin everything.

Still, they are not worthy of being called "USA army" and we are terrorists (yes, there is unknown too much, yes there are things too hard to understand, YES - i know that depends on how to look).
USA does not make abominations as their army staple and even special forces (we don`t know about army everything, but in a nutshell that is), they don`t conduct (as well as any other goverment or race) horrible experiments, we do not eliminate the entire races.

That is another fact, leading to conclusion that reapers are machines (yes, mixture or integration of organic and non organic parts/material) that have no reasonable logic to kill everyone, although they may have used other races as slaves to supply them with everything they need.
They are motivated by countless alghorithms that extremely complex and have unknown designer. 

Harbinger is not even mentions Sovereign (or i do not know), only flat talk about "starsystem sacrificed", that can be explained differently, but that`s just resources lost -> no more. 
They bold, assured and chatting repeatedly "We are salvation through destruction, we will find a way, we will end you ect."  this MAY mean that they do not understand themselves what and why are they doing this, but following some given pattern.
Above is the worst scenario beacause that mean they have a MASTER or masters far powerful species.


To kill something that harvested the whole civilasations is need to think out of the box, beacause, every traditional plan failed (yes, i know that does not mean that it fail this time with our tehnology, yes i know that we have tehnology, yes - the reapers may have harvested us already but we stopped it, previous races were lower in technological level, but still they have guns that make armor look like a paper).


We need a way to set their stasis-type shields to "off-line" state, than we have chance in head on battle with every possible upgrade.