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[TheZanSnake]

ManBearPig!

[Dexi]

ANdrewJ wrote...

We need a way to set their stasis-type shields to "off-line" state, than we have chance in head on battle with every possible upgrade.

And what do you suggest, lol? Send Jeff Goldblum to their mother-reaper and plant a virus? 


Hm... Sovereign's shields dropped when he assumed direct control of Saren... If we'd know how that works and could replicate the interior conditions of the process, then the Reapers' shields would be down and they'd be ready for cooking... 

[SirKillsalot]

Wait untill the reapers arrive in the Bahak system then destroy the... oh wait.

[rooky91]

With the power of positive thinking

[Arppis]

Like they did in independence day! Load Windows Vista to their hivemind and then get one pilot per ship to do suicide at them! Earth's independence day is now galaxys independence day!

[corebit]

The reaper invasion of Earth is only a distraction to draw Shepard out.
Their goal is to capture Shepard.
They will capture Shepard and turn him/her into the first human machine hybrid, the "perfect" race.
They wanted to do that since Saren.
This whole chain of events by the Reapers is simply to pick out their ideal candidate for their ultimate experiment.

[LisuPL]

corebit wrote...

The reaper invasion of Earth is only a distraction to draw Shepard out.
Their goal is to capture Shepard.
They will capture Shepard and turn him/her into the first human machine hybrid, the "perfect" race.
They wanted to do that since Saren.
This whole chain of events by the Reapers is simply to pick out their ideal candidate for their ultimate experiment.

You have infiltrated BioWare HQ well iniciate, I hereby promote you to the rank of Bloodletter.

Now everyone knows the truth....looks like no company can prevent pre-release story leaks



(joking)

[KenKenpachi]

Hmm the Game is set to take place with the Reapers attacking other worlds besides earth actully.

But as an Edit  We will build these >>

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 25 avril 2011 - 01:57 .

[ANdrewJ]

Dexi wrote...

ANdrewJ wrote...

We need a way to set their stasis-type shields to "off-line" state, than we have chance in head on battle with every possible upgrade.

And what do you suggest, lol? Send Jeff Goldblum to their mother-reaper and plant a virus? 


Hm... Sovereign's shields dropped when he assumed direct control of Saren... If we'd know how that works and could replicate the interior conditions of the process, then the Reapers' shields would be down and they'd be ready for cooking... 

No virus will give you a damn result, you`ve most powerful "computer" on a reaper, of cource some kind of extra-difficult virus may help, but for short time - no more than a 7 hours (they`ll analyse and kill virus) window.


Exactly what i was thinking about -> that mechanism allowed us to kill sovereign, that mechanism can be used by any other reaper.
He lost control of shields and they went off beacause he translated his "self" to husk, told us that is his station and fight began.
Yes, i know reaper still was able to shoot at the fleet -> that`s maybe some automated processes, like primitive turret control patterns.
But shield subsystem was either fallen out of their scope, or sovereign have not used this "emergency" shield control.

That "Jeff Goldblum"...  may be a missile with a transmitting device on it, which sent via mass relay beginning to transmit using communication channel the virus itself that begin it`s actions on arrival.
There may be even ship with different communication devices that will perform the same thing  than "jump" back.

One of the guessing is Thanix artillery, when we developing thanix that simply accelerate molten metal to 25% of lightspeed and this will be enough to act as artillery(although those 25 percent almost not possible to get).

[Krimson_Wolf]

Vanguard!

Reason why: Ship drops out of FTL but doesn't slow down and is headed for a Reaper. BIOTIC CHARGE! From here its Newtons 1st law. ( and the Vanguard is launched from a the cargo hold of the Normandy.)

[MrGone]

A question will be asked by Commander Shepard:






When it is answered in the affirmative. He will shoot them.

[Dexi]

ANdrewJ wrote...
That "Jeff Goldblum"...  may be a missile with a transmitting device on it, which sent via mass relay beginning to transmit using communication channel the virus itself that begin it`s actions on arrival.
There may be even ship with different communication devices that will perform the same thing  than "jump" back.

One of the guessing is Thanix artillery, when we developing thanix that simply accelerate molten metal to 25% of lightspeed and this will be enough to act as artillery(although those 25 percent almost not possible to get).

Could you please rephrase? I'm having a hard time trying to understand 

[alienatedflea]

Independence day baby!!! Watch Independence Day and you will see how its done...a super virus that the geth and quarians collaborated on where shephard has to choose to sacriface the whole geth or quarian civilization to install it while humans, krogans (cured from the genophage), rachni (personally can't wait to see the other species' reactions to their renewed existence), turians (Ah, yes looks like we have to deal with this dismissed claim), and others take heavy losses to "distract" the reaper fleet while the geth and the quarians go after the mother ship...lol i dont know if it plausible in the mass effect universe...but man that would be a great reference to ID...lol

[JonnyDJ]

War of the Worlds Style... Something tells me it will be something benign/trivial to humans. Some earth born virus will kill them off. Or, Shepard destroys the Sol Mass relay killing off the entire system, reapers, humans, everything. Haven't decided which yet

[Evercrow]

ANdrewJ wrote...

Dexi wrote...

Hm... Sovereign's shields dropped when he assumed direct control of Saren... If we'd know how that works and could replicate the interior conditions of the process, then the Reapers' shields would be down and they'd be ready for cooking... 

Exactly what i was thinking about -> that mechanism allowed us to kill sovereign, that mechanism can be used by any other reaper.
He lost control of shields and they went off beacause he translated his "self" to husk, told us that is his station and fight began.
Yes, i know reaper still was able to shoot at the fleet -> that`s maybe some automated processes, like primitive turret control patterns.
But shield subsystem was either fallen out of their scope, or sovereign have not used this "emergency" shield control.

That "Jeff Goldblum"...  may be a missile with a transmitting device on it, which sent via mass relay beginning to transmit using communication channel the virus itself that begin it`s actions on arrival.
There may be even ship with different communication devices that will perform the same thing  than "jump" back.

Possesing of Saren by Sovereign and Collector drones by Harbinger have the same base principle, i imagine. This could give some meaning to attacking with ground forces, not only defending various assets. Judging by the Collector General, Reapers will have some constant slave or husks conduit-creatures among their ground army to effectively control it. Targeting such conduits, and maybe somehow affecting them to enhance the blow to controlling Reaper consciousness when severing such link could aid in space battles.

Also, virus could be targeted on directly reprogramming nanobots(seems like a lot of Reaper devices consist of them) to attack each other(basically,corrosive), this way preventing the Reapers from regaining infected areas.They will have to constantly deploy counter-measures against transmitter with such virus.

Another idea of exploiting the synthetic(AI) part of Reaper is using the similar method applied by geth in "House Divided" mission - overruning data and communication networks with data bits and "white noise".Both of this,of course, will require some deep understanding on how Reaper's communications and "collective minds" work.

[JaegerBane]

HealthyGiraffe wrote...

 Is anyone else expecting a really valid and logical way to defeat the Reapers?

To be honest, the reapers seem to be completely unbeatable at this stage. Soverign took nearly the whole fleet to take down and there are hundreds and hundreds of them more still to come .

I, alike a lot of you, am really excited to see how we will take them down.

But I am craving for a satisfying way. Problem is, I don't know what that is.

However, to all of you who are expecting a sunshine and lollipops ending, don't hold your breath. I have a feeling every ending will involve tremendous loss and sacrifice. 

So let's post our thoughts on the way we will defeat them. Maybe some predictions? 

I'm going to assume that we'll find out what the Reaper's origins were, where they came from and why they do what they do. If so, I'm willing to bet that that in doing so, Shep will discover the achilles heel and pwn the lot of them.

[Tubercle]

Country music on speakers.. or Justin Bieber at full blast! Remember the headphones

[Someone With Mass]

Blow up all the relays in the galaxy. Enough of their shenanigans.

[Tubercle]

Oops... meant earplugs!

[Ramirez Wolfen]

We'll have Grunt and Wrex eat some beans, and they'll make a powerful fart that will kill the Reapers.

[Dexi]

Evercrow wrote...

Possesing of Saren by Sovereign and Collector drones by Harbinger have the same base principle, i imagine. This could give some meaning to attacking with ground forces, not only defending various assets. Judging by the Collector General, Reapers will have some constant slave or husks conduit-creatures among their ground army to effectively control it. Targeting such conduits, and maybe somehow affecting them to enhance the blow to controlling Reaper consciousness when severing such link could aid in space battles.

The Reapers possess their minions through cybernetic implants. Saren had them, the Collectors are half cybernetic. 
The difference between Sovereign and Harbinger is that Harbinger has/had a middle man through which he controlled his minions, the Collector General. That ensured he won't be left in a weakness-state once his minion is killed. Sovereign assumed control of Saren with no middle-man, leaving him vurnerable. 

Also, virus could be targeted on directly reprogramming nanobots(seems like a lot of Reaper devices consist of them) to attack each other(basically,corrosive), this way preventing the Reapers from regaining infected areas.They will have to constantly deploy counter-measures against transmitter with such virus.

Another idea of exploiting the synthetic(AI) part of Reaper is using the similar method applied by geth in "House Divided" mission - overruning data and communication networks with data bits and "white noise".Both of this,of course, will require some deep understanding on how Reaper's communications and "collective minds" work.

Any sort of virus is out of discussion... The Reaper processing power is way to big, would anihilate any virus...
The jamming device idea would work if! you have a pretty defined line between the synthetic and the organic components of the Reapers, and as if you said, we'd have an understanding on how the Reapers communicate....

Modifié par Dexi, 25 avril 2011 - 05:12 .

[Xerxes52]

1. Mass conscription of all races (men, women, and children), extensive use of military genetic upgrades, harvesting reproductive materials from both genders to mass produce offspring in labs, basically tank-grown humans, asari, salarians, turians, etc.

2. Curing the Genophage, enlisting the help of the Rachni, helping the Geth build fleets of "Berserker" ships.

3. Converting all civilian industry into constructing warships, weapons, etc.

4. Using thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of civilian starships as FTL suicide "fireships".

5. Luring Reapers on to planet surfaces to kill civilians, then carpet nuking the surface.

Just a few ideas.

[Dexi]

Xerxes52 wrote...

1. Mass conscription of all races (men, women, and children), extensive use of military genetic upgrades, harvesting reproductive materials from both genders to mass produce offspring in labs, basically tank-grown humans, asari, salarians, turians, etc.

2. Curing the Genophage, enlisting the help of the Rachni, helping the Geth build fleets of "Berserker" ships.

3. Converting all civilian industry into constructing warships, weapons, etc.

4. Using thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of civilian starships as FTL suicide "fireships".

5. Luring Reapers on to planet surfaces to kill civilians, then carpet nuking the surface.

Just a few ideas.

Very good Except maybe for 5... And 1 is a bit meh, but difficult situations mean difficult-to-make solutions  

[Dem_B]

Ships in the future have gravitational system.
Find a way how create the gravitational trap is field with enormous force of gravity.
Collector base in the center of the galaxy uses the field to protect against incredible gravity. Need create a chain of such emitters but change the polarity and radiate gravity.

Or can just change the coordinates of the relay moving it.
Or try to understand how turn off relay, using the citadel.

The future it is technology, we need innovative solutions, rather than the strategy of the Second World War.

In fact, have many ways how to fight and not to destroy the star system.
 

[Evercrow]

Dexi wrote...



The Reapers possess their minions through cybernetic implants. Saren had them, the Collectors are half cybernetic. 
The difference between Sovereign and Harbinger is that Harbinger has/had a middle man through which he controlled his minions, the Collector General. That ensured he won't be left in a weakness-state once his minion is killed. Sovereign assumed control of Saren with no middle-man, leaving him vurnerable. 

I'm not so sure.Remember, we never killed that "middle-man" in the fight, and Harbinger seemed to be in constant control of Collector General until the last explosion. We only destroyed lowest of possesing hierarchy, which still gived brief respite in Harbinger's control. Imagine what could've happenned if General was suddenly killed - i imagine respite would be longer and it would affect higher tier of hierarchy - Reaper itself.

And about the virus - you slightly misunderstand. I did'n talk about virus that would work independently once it in the Reaper's system, but about a constant signal of reprogramming algorithms. I believe, AI control would be necessary  for such signal to be effective. Counteracting this is possible either by constant firewalls(which could mess with Reaper's own command signal) or constant changes to nanobot's controlling structure and circuits. The main purpose would be diverting Reaper's attention and processing power, also transmitter would be effective at least few seconds from the start.Which could prove critical whent timed with other attacks and jamming (preventing other Reapers to know of this method)

Modifié par Evercrow, 26 avril 2011 - 12:18 .