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[sympathy4saren]

Skyrim comes out on November 11. Is Dragon Age 2 going to stand up against the latest Elder Scrolls entry?

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Skyrim is Sandbox RPG with a focus on open world gameplay and exploration.

Dragon Age 2 is an Action RPG with a focus on narrative and characters.

I would call neither a pure or classical RPG, but that doesn't really matter much. What matters is that they are two different types of games with a focus on different elements.

There are elements in each game which can be compared directly with each other, but if you want to stack them against each other as a whole, I'm reminded of a phrase with the words apples and oranges.

As for sales, Skyrim will do infinitely better. Bethesda games usually do. Just a fact of life.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

I love sandbox RPG.

Actually, I love all sandbox games including strategy, simulation, action etc.. Because I rarely play for official campaign. Stop playing campaign games for 5 years already. Mainly play on mods.

DA 2? It's need help to survive first with sales. It's doesn't look too good atm. Not sure if it will win any awards this year.. beside UK Gamer Editorial Choice.

[Loghain_The_Lawless]

I'm sorry to say that Dragon Age 2 will be obliterated by Skyrim. Everything else is just somthing to do until this game comes out.

[Lemon Grenades]

It's already pretty obvious Skyrim is likely going to blow anything else out of the water in sales. Just on the Elder Scrolls fanbase alone will bring millions of copies.

That said, I would not compare anything of Bethesda's to any of Bioware's RPGs. Because when you get right down to it, that's their only similarity really. The fact they're both RPGs. Everything else is radically different from each other.

[TRUTHMACHINE]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Skyrim comes out on November 11. Is Dragon Age 2 going to stand up against the latest Elder Scrolls entry?

 
DA2 can't stand up against Oblivion which is old as hell let alone skyrim

[AkiKishi]

Will anyone even care about DA2 come November? I probably won't be getting Skyrim right away, I just won't have the time to play it when it's released.

[toggled]

Are you joking? DA2 isn't even in the running.

[Mecher3k]

DA2 tripped and faceplanted as soon as the race started.

[Cowboy_christo]

makalathbonagin wrote...

ohhh yes
enjoy your skyrim with 6 voice actors in the whole game

I will, thank you serrah.

[Shadowbanner]

When Gamespot votes for the 2011  GOTY accolade and the section of "Most disappointing game of the year" comes up, guess which game will be the uncontested winner? No prize for getting it right.

DA2 isn't even on the same league as The Witcher 2 and Skyrim. It's seriously under par.

When December comes, DA2 will be but a bad memory in gamer's minds, like a nightmare one wishes to forget and get over and done with.

[Chick availability]

Enjoy DA2 with 1 cave

[Shadowbanner]

Chick availability wrote...

Enjoy DA2 with 1 cave

This is a very unfair post.

There are at least 3 or 4 caves, not to count the always repeating mansion that reminds me of RE1.

[xkg]

Shadowbanner wrote...

When Gamespot votes for the 2011  GOTY accolade and the section of "Most disappointing game of the year" comes up, guess which game will be the uncontested winner? No prize for getting it right.

DA2 isn't even on the same league as The Witcher 2 and Skyrim. It's seriously under par.

When December comes, DA2 will be but a bad memory in gamer's minds, like a nightmare one wishes to forget and get over and done with.

I ve seen some peeps here on forums waiting for DA2 GOTY edition hehehe

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

If there is one thing Dragon Age 2 will beat Skyrim at, it's the writing.

Bethesda cannot into writing.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Shadowbanner wrote...

Chick availability wrote...

Enjoy DA2 with 1 cave

This is a very unfair post.

There are at least 3 or 4 caves, not to count the always repeating mansion that reminds me of RE1.

I've only seen two caves in this game, none of which were desirable.

[Riloux]

Dragon Age 2 can't even stand up against Morrowind.

[Vaern Sul]

mrcrusty wrote...

If there is one thing Dragon Age 2 will beat Skyrim at, it's the writing.

Bethesda cannot into writing.

True. Bioware is good at telling a story. Bethesda is good at showing us a story. What Bioware typically achieve through narrative, Bethesda does by just showing us. I'd say it's better since it doesn't involve a third party narrator, thus reinforcing the immersion.
Granted, the story in most Bioware game is easier to follow because of this narrative design, but it' harder for them to digress and go into the details (Origins and ME did it through the codex). While in Morrowind, little was told to you, and you had to figure it out yourself by reading books, and actually speaking to people and paying attention to what they said. Morrowind is like a gold vein. In the surface, it's doesn't look like much, and only scratching a little won't make it a lot more interesting, but dive deeper and you'll find the gold. And you'll feel rewarded.

I felt great when I finally figured out the intricate rivalry between the traditionnal houses and the newcoming guilds, between the different houses and guilds, between the temple and everyone else, the relationship between the extinct dwemers and the dunmers, what the hell was I seriously doing here and a ton of other stuff you can learn if you pay attention to the details.

In comparison, DA2, which also aimed for a more personnal and political story, was underwhelming. It never delivered that "AAaah, so that's why !" feeling, at least for me.

Modifié par Vaern Sul, 24 avril 2011 - 10:44 .

[Sabriana]

Oh now, that's not fair. TES are a juggernaut. People have been waiting for years for TES V, Skyrim, and it will be the fastest horse out of the stable for 2011.

I will not buy it right away, because of the inevitable multitude of bugs that seem to be 'normal' for Bethesda, but I will definitely buy it eventually.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Vaern Sul wrote...

mrcrusty wrote...

If there is one thing Dragon Age 2 will beat Skyrim at, it's the writing.

Bethesda cannot into writing.

True. Bioware is good at telling a story. Bethesda is good at showing us a story. What Bioware typically achieve through narrative, Bethesda does by just showing us. I'd say it's better since it doesn't involve a third party narrator, thus reinforcing the immersion.
Granted, the story in most Bioware game is easier to follow because of this narrative design, but it' harder for them to digress and go into the details (Origins and ME did it through the codex). While in Morrowind, little was told to you, and you had to figure it out yourself by reading books, and actually speaking to people and paying attention to what they said. Morrowind is like a gold vein. In the surface, it's doesn't look like much, and only scratching a little won't make it a lot more interesting, but dive deeper and you'll find the gold. And you'll feel rewarded.

I felt great when I finally figured out the intricate rivalry between the traditionnal houses and the newcoming guilds, between the different houses and guilds, between the temple and everyone else, the relationship between the extinct dwemers and the dunmers, what the hell was I seriously doing here and a ton of other stuff you can learn if you pay attention to the details.

In comparison, DA2, which also aimed for a more personnal and political story, was underwhelming. It never delivered that "AAaah, so that's why !" feeling, at least for me.

Get out of my head.

Mindreaders who can perfectly articulate my own feelings are not welcome.

It's really a result of the type of game that Morrowind/Oblivion/Fallout 3/NV are as opposed to any actual problems in Bioware games.

It's really not an RPG thing, it's actually more of an Adventure thing but I adore games that are cohesive enough on the surface to be engaging, but really encourages you to look for tidbits that deepen your understanding of a game's lore and universe, or experiences that exemplifies the best qualities of said lore and universe.

For all their fifth grade writing, it's something that Bethesda games do really, really well.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 24 avril 2011 - 11:11 .

[Alex Kershaw]

Completely different games. THe only similarity is that you are meant to have an attachment to your main character. Other than that, it is completely different. DAO was focused and you actually cared about the characters and the world. In Oblivion, it's more about being able to do absolutely everything and anything you want with an incredible amount of gameplay in a wide open world. Problem with Oblivion is that there are no good characters at all. You don't care about any of them - they're just one generic personality and that's the sacrifice made.

Both are equally valid methods of creating games and so I don't really see them competing. I personally prefer the DAO approach because I like character progression but people who aren't really interested in story as much would like Oblivion. In the same way, Skyrim and DA2 are different games. It's incredibly likely that Skyrim will get a higher metacritic score though.