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[TMZuk]

Bethesda and Bioware have always had different approaches on how to make cRPGs, and different areas were they were respectively weak and strong.

In the Skyrim and TES interviews with Tod Howard, the LD on Skyrim, he adresses very well were TES in general and Oblivion in particular was weak, and how Bethesda plan to adress those weaknesses. That is also clear when comparing FO3 and FO:NV with Oblivion. FO3 had much better NPCs and dialogue than Oblivion, and FO:NV (developed by Obsidian, I know, but published and approved by Bethesda) has infinitly better NPCs and dialogue than both Oblivion and FO3. Therefore I think it's a fair guess to assume that Skyrim will be vastly improved over Oblivion in that regard, considering the massive sales of these two games. So I hope anyway.

Compared to that Bioware has always gone for a restricted world with a strong story, memorable NPCs and dialogue. However, DA2, in my opinion, is vastly inferior to DA:O in all these areas. The world is even more restricted, with next to no exploration, a lifeless, uninspired environment, a messy storyline, and combat that feels uttely disconneceted from the story and environment. And most importantly, the LD on DA2, Mike Laidlaw, absolutely refuses to acknowledge any of those weaknesses.

So, I am convinced that Skyrim will blow DA2 out of the water. Actually, what I fear the most is that with the abyssmal sales DA2 is producing, the whole franchise will sink.

Modifié par TMZuk, 24 avril 2011 - 02:54 .

[Persephone]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Guliver wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

Skyrim comes out on November 11. Is Dragon Age 2 going to stand up against the latest Elder Scrolls entry?

You compare this to Dragon Age series? You must be joking..

Yes... That would be a joke. But the OP has probably this in mind:

TES V: Skyrim.

This looks VERY shiny. But I got burned by Oblivion the same way. Still very much on the fence. 

[AkiKishi]

Bethesda is very ambitious in what they do. I tend to cut them some extra slack because of it. Same with any game that goes above and beyond. Same with DA really, had issues but the scope of the game made them almost inconsiquential.

That said I've had very few bug issues of a serious nature with most Bethesda games ,save Morrowind and getting stuck in dungeons. Just lucky I guess. Ditto with FO and NV.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 24 avril 2011 - 03:16 .

[SmokeyNinjas]

While DA2 has a very rushed feel i dont think its as bad as people here make it out to be but still its got no hope against Skyrim

Modifié par SmokeyNinjas, 24 avril 2011 - 03:23 .

[noneofyourbussines77]

In one playthrough of Oblivion I had 5 freezes and got stuck on a rock twice, In fallout 3 it froze 14 times and got stuck once. In origins It frozen only once right after I beat the archdemon, in da2 it froze 4 times and I got stuck once. In Me 2 it never froze, but on Jacob's loyalty mission I repeatedly walked into the sky. FONV was so glitchy I couldn't finish it.

Modifié par noneofyourbussines77, 24 avril 2011 - 03:45 .

[snfonseka]

Don't forget the Witcher 2, guys....

[TMZuk]

noneofyourbussines77 wrote...

FONV was so glitchy I couldn't finish it.

Try a patch. There's a new one being released next week.

[Persephone]

snfonseka wrote...

Don't forget the Witcher 2, guys....

After seeing and hearing the "new" Geralt, I wish I could forget it.

[Gatt9]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

Skyrim comes out on November 11. Is Dragon Age 2 going to stand up against the latest Elder Scrolls entry?

Skyrim tries to build on previous titles without losing its core audience in the process and be innovative in the open world RPG genre. Even if DA2 was an outstanding game, it wouldn't be able to compete, because the two titles differ too much in what they are trying to accomplish.

Edit: And besides that, in november DA2 will be yesterday's news.

No they don't.

Skyrim continues Todd's tradition of removing anything that even remotely threatens to be an RPG mechanic in pursuit of making action-adventure games,  while ignoring the fan base.  Now they're removing attributes,  claiming they serve no purpose,  ignoring the fact that it's their faulty design that resulted in them not having purporse.

They've removed yet more skills,  for no reason other than removing skills.  Just as they did with Oblivion.  Daggerfall and Morrowind had more features than Todd's projects.

Their "Open world" consistently means giant enourmous open areas that contain nothing worth doing.  But they make sure to waste time rendering every fork in 3D so you can pick it up and carry it,  despite being completely pointless.

No implementation of any new questing material other than what existed in 1995.  They can't even manage to take a feature from MMOs,  like Rare drop loot,  in order to expand their games.  NPC interaction is no more deep than what existed in the 90's as well.  Bethseda doesn't innovate,  they remove things for no reason other than they don't want to make RPGs,  and bring nothing new to the table.

I'm willing to bet Skyrim does a DA2.

As far as losing their core audience goes,  they've alienated them several times,  and in their hubris ban them,  ban their websites and censor them,  and then publicly mock them in game. 

[_Motoki_]

mrcrusty wrote...

If there is one thing Dragon Age 2 will beat Skyrim at, it's the writing.

Bethesda cannot into writing.

Quite true. Interestingly enough, their in-game books are quite good. Ever read 2920? It's excellent. Intrigue, betrayal, danger, memorable characters. On the other hand I struggle to think of even a single character in Oblivion who is memorable.

While I do enjoy the series and they excel at creating the atmosphere of a living, breathing, open, seamless (well with the Open Cities mod anyway) world they simply are unwilling or unable to create any sort of unique or interesting characters. It's very obvious all the non player characters in the game are there to facilitate world simulation and not because they have a good story to tell or a unique persona to interact with.

[Kilshrek]

_Motoki_ wrote...

mrcrusty wrote...

If there is one thing Dragon Age 2 will beat Skyrim at, it's the writing.

Bethesda cannot into writing.

Quite true. Interestingly enough, their in-game books are quite good. Ever read 2920? It's excellent. Intrigue, betrayal, danger, memorable characters. On the other hand I struggle to think of even a single character in Oblivion who is memorable.

While I do enjoy the series and they excel at creating the atmosphere of a living, breathing, open, seamless (well with the Open Cities mod anyway) world they simply are unwilling or unable to create any sort of unique or interesting characters. It's very obvious all the non player characters in the game are there to facilitate world simulation and not because they have a good story to tell or a unique persona to interact with.

Or perhaps have a different/unique voice? I remember my experience with Fallout 3 very well. Random man 1 - 6 : Male voice 1. Merchant/Villager/Guard/Mercenary/Soldier : Male voice 1. Yup. Good times.

[Anathemic]

DA2 is not even in the running, if it is it tripped and faceplanted at the start of the race and went into a coma.

What I see battling for RPG of the Year, quite possibly Game of the Year are The Witcher 2 and Skyrim.

Witcher 2 has a huge thing going for it which is story. Bethesda isn't known in doing well in this department. Not to mention with the new RED engine, Witcher 2 won't be lacking in either combat or graphics, in my personal opinion, graphics currently outdo Skyrim's (from what we've seen so far).

However like all Bethesda games, Skyrim will be a major success due to its fanbase alone. GOTY is unquestionable for the game, and what's more is the toolset that will come with.

Modifié par Anathemic, 24 avril 2011 - 03:54 .

[Sabriana]

@ Gatt9

I know that they are rather apathetic toward their fans, but didn't the huge clash with fans revolve around the Fallout series?

I remember that NMA and Bethsoft really went at each other, and fans of either one trolling the others' website. The result were multiple bannings on both sides, iirc.

I never paid too much attention, because I never purchased FO3, being a huge fan of FO1 and 2. I don't remember if something bad happened around Oblivion, because I rarely pay attention to Howard and company. Mostly because I think Todd Howard is wayyyy to full of himself.

I did the usual, and waited with Oblivion until the most important fixes (user made and/or company made) were in. It still left a lot to be desired, coming off Morrowind, but the modders did really well with it.

[mordarwarlock]

I think DA 2 will go against The witcher 2


and will obviously get demolished by the later

After seeing and hearing the "new" Geralt, I wish I could forget it. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png

what's with it?, Geralt's voice actor is still the same for the witcher 2, and he looks different this time because of a new engine, but it's still the white wolf we always knew

Modifié par mordarwarlock, 24 avril 2011 - 04:28 .

[Volourn]

Skyrim will suck just like the rest of the ES series.

Outside of the b00bies W2 will be sucky too but not as sucky as Skyrim.

[_Motoki_]

mordarwarlock wrote...

I think DA 2 will go against The witcher 2


and will obviously get demolished by the later

Speaking of which, saw this just this morning:

http://www.plughead....sions-witcher-2

First Impressions: The Witcher 2 BY CHRIS CAPEL – APRIL 20, 2011

It’s vastly vastly vastly better than Dragon Age 2 already, and I’ve only played a few hours of it. Your choices and the story affect the entire world. This is how you do epic fantasy. Is it better than Dragon Age: Origins or Baldur’s Gate? We’ll have to see…

Modifié par _Motoki_, 24 avril 2011 - 04:13 .

[Anathemic]

Volourn wrote...

Skyrim will suck just like the rest of the ES series.

Outside of the b00bies W2 will be sucky too but not as sucky as Skyrim.

Yo Volourn, I'm still waiting for a proper reply in regards to CD Projekt RED 'barely hanging on' backed up with sources.

[Aaleel]

Skyrim is too far off the go against DA2. The Witcher 2 would be a better comparison. But from what I've seen from the Witcher 2, DA2 may really get its flaws exposed in comparison.

[Teredan]

Volourn wrote...

I don't like Skyrim like the rest of the ES series.

Outside of the b00bies W2 won't do it for me too but not as sucky as Skyrim.

Fixed for the greater good. Speaks also volumes about your character.

Modifié par Teredan, 24 avril 2011 - 04:13 .

[Edhriano]

In before ...

" This is a versus topic, we do not allow versus topic
Wanna see how fast a cajun lock a topic? "

-[Locked]- Mwahahaha !

or something like that ... :innocent:

Modifié par Edhriano, 24 avril 2011 - 04:13 .

[Zeus_Deus]

Kilshrek wrote...

Wot? I never played an ES game myself, so I really don't know. Don't dig first person RPGs all that much anyway. Plus I'm not too fond of Bethesda, especially after they butchered Fallout.

And I don't have a PS 3 so I won't be seeing any Dark/Demon Souls action any time soon.

But, apples and oranges again.

fchopin uses "If Bioware make an expansion to fix all the plot holes and redo act 3
and it's FREE it may have a chance to be among the great RPG's in 2011,
if not it will be a forgotten game in a few months." (Guilt trip). It's not very effective.

You can play Elder Scrolls in 1st or 3rd person.

As for Bethesda butchering Fallout - the majority critics and sales figures disagree with you!
Fallout 3 sold more than all previous Fallout games combined, as well as winning many GOTY awards.

[mordarwarlock]

Volourn wrote...

Skyrim will suck just like the rest of the ES series.

Outside of the b00bies W2 will be sucky too but not as sucky as Skyrim.

fanboy alert!

try to play fallout or oblivion now .. i dare you ppl
it's impossible and you know it

been there, done that

Modifié par mordarwarlock, 24 avril 2011 - 04:23 .

[Anathemic]

makalathbonagin wrote...

try to play fallout or oblivion now .. i dare you ppl
it's impossible and you know it

I still play Oblivion from time to time

[TMZuk]

Volourn wrote...

Skyrim will suck just like the rest of the ES series.

Outside of the b00bies W2 will be sucky too but not as sucky as Skyrim.

I just love well-researched and unbiased statements of this kind.

YOU think it will suck. Good for YOU.

The fact is that Bioware has never made a game that sold better than Oblivion. DA:O was close. But Oblivion is the the poorest selling Bethesda RPG the past decade with a bit more than three millions units sold. Morrowind sold four million, Fallout 3 close to five million, and Fallout: New Vegas five million.

DA2 was projected to outsell DA:O. As of now it looks to struggle, and if it manages to get past two million units, I will be very surprised. Now, sales are not an indicator wether a game is good or not, but since DA2 was deliberately trimmed and simplified, in order to attract a wider audience, it must be considered a failure.

Now, in MY opinion, Oblivion was a very dissapointing game. It was TO ME  less dissapointing than DA2, though. And where Todd Howard adresses all the issues I had with Oblivion in his interviews, Mike Laidlaw simply either ridicules or refuses to acknowledge the issues I have with DA2.

Of course, all this in MY OPINION!

Modifié par TMZuk, 24 avril 2011 - 04:29 .