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[billy the squid]

_Motoki_ wrote...

mordarwarlock wrote...

I think DA 2 will go against The witcher 2


and will obviously get demolished by the later

Speaking of which, saw this just this morning:

http://www.plughead....sions-witcher-2

First Impressions: The Witcher 2 BY CHRIS CAPEL – APRIL 20, 2011

It’s vastly vastly vastly better than Dragon Age 2 already, and I’ve only played a few hours of it. Your choices and the story affect the entire world. This is how you do epic fantasy. Is it better than Dragon Age: Origins or Baldur’s Gate? We’ll have to see…

Yep, I read the article a couple of days ago, it certainly does look impressive visually. But, I will wait until I can see some more gameplay and other reviews come out a couple of weeks after release before I get it. As to whether it is better that BG and DAO I agree I'd enjoy finding out.

Regarding DA 2, well its no suprise the game is soon to be consigned to the dustbin of RPG history, at the current rate It won't even be a serious contender to Skryim and TW2, remembered only for the backlash. Tw2 is possibly a better game to compare DA 2 to as an aRPG, Skryim is more a sand box so different emphasis is going to be placed on different aspects.

Regardless looking at the information and the scale of development time taken on either of these games(TW2 was actually scheduled to be released in the first quarter of 2011, but was delayed, maybe why DA2 was rushed out?) DA 2 is going to get hammered into the floor.

[Sabriana]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

What mods are you running on Oblivion, I play it on the console but Im thinking of Dloading it on the PC?

Oh dear. I have so many of them. I swear, sometimes I think my 'data' folder is bigger than the game itself.

I have a lot of graphic mods, that change the quality of the faces and bodies.
Better water is another one
Mods for grass, sky, and other plantlife
Quest mods
Housing mods
Regrowing Nirnroot is another one
Reality priced clutter and clothing
No psychic guards
Unofficial Oblivion/Knights of the Nine/Shivering Isle patches

I really couldn't list them all here, but I assure you that most of the modders are simply great over at the Nexus:Oblivion.

My favorite are the "Stoker Wolf - male companion" and his quest which will require you do get the "Underdark" mod.

Here's a link:

www.tesnexus.com/

Just make sure you get one of the Mod Managers (I use the Oblivion Mod Manager). There are too  many mods that are incompatible with each other, and the OMM can ferret them out.


Sorry for the OTness. Now returning to you regularly scheduled thread.

Modifié par Sabriana, 24 avril 2011 - 08:35 .

[SirShreK]

Honestly from the available information, the only game that really has an INCLINE this year is TW2. It expands upon its RPGness as opposed to Skyrim that is cutting it (but perhaps for the better).

[Epona222]

I'm both a longtime TES/BGS fan and a longtime Bioware fan - as others have said I don't really think you can do a direct comparison between TES games and any Bioware game, because they're totally different entities.

Very little compares with TES when it comes to exploration and the ability to play the game the way you want to - in one game I lived in an abandoned shack and made money pearl diving and making potions and never got around to the main quest. Bioware does amazing character interaction and story-driven chapter/act based games - totally different thing.

However DA2 did not really cut it as a classic Bioware title IMO. And I'm not a hater, I enjoyed the game well enough, I just didn't love it the way I loved previous titles and in some respects it felt rushed and sloppy.

Skyrim on the other hand has been under development since Oblivion was released, so I don't think lack of care and attention to detail will apply in this case. I'm not too worried about the changes that some people see as negative - character classes were useless for a start and more of a hindrance than a help in a game whereby the main thrust of character levelling is "develop depending upon the way you play the game" (er... if that's the case, why do you have to pick a class and major/minor skills in the first 20 minutes?) and I'm not sad to see them go.

And for those concerned about it, Skyrim is afaik utilising 80+ voice actors, so there shouldn't be a repeat of Oblivion's homogenously voiced NPCs. Besides, if it were a choice between having 5 voice actors, and 5 recycled maps, I'd take the recycled voices any day.

Modifié par Epona222, 24 avril 2011 - 09:00 .

[freche]

Everwarden wrote...
I doubt they would make that mistake again. They haven't since, in other games: Fallout 3 (which had some massive problems with story, characters, and over-acting, but not variety), and New Vegas (which was awesome made into a sauce).

Guess what, FO:NV wasn't made by Bethesda. Bethesda only pushed in some money and it used their crap engine.
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Skyrim is comming in DX9. It will use the same **** Oblivion use, it will have as bad animation & story as Oblivion and FO3 had.
Since it uses the same engine as they have used before it will be as unstable as the rest of their games and with Bethesdas history of fixing bugs, it will probably be more unstable the more they try to fix things.

I don't get how people bless their games like it's the best that have happend gaming industry. Their games are released with zero contetent, bad writing and they rely on their toolset and their very large fanbase to finish and polish their product and fix their bugs.

If people actually cared about the content the games they are playing then they should bash the games Bethesda releases as hard or harder as the BW comunity have bashed DA2.

Modifié par freche, 24 avril 2011 - 09:04 .

[Epona222]

freche wrote...
It will use the same **** Oblivion use, it will have as bad animation & story as Oblivion and FO3 had.
Since it uses the same engine as they have used before it will be as unstable as the rest of their games and with Bethesdas history of fixing bugs, it will probably be more unstable the more they try to fix things.

It is not using the same engine.

[SirShreK]

Epona222 wrote...

freche wrote...
It will use the same **** Oblivion use, it will have as bad animation & story as Oblivion and FO3 had.
Since it uses the same engine as they have used before it will be as unstable as the rest of their games and with Bethesdas history of fixing bugs, it will probably be more unstable the more they try to fix things.

It is not using the same engine.

You are technically right.

Reagardless, they are cutting down on attribute system altogether in order to 'Streamline' (panic button) the game. Now it is TRUE that the attribute system was SHI*T anyway in the TES games post-Daggerfall with huge exploits possible in combination with the enchantment system (Over 9000 points in mercantile == Everything ~ free). 

I would rather they improve it than eliminate it, but nothing of value may be lost. 

[passionata]

Like others have said before I think you can't really compare DA2 with Skyrim as they are different types of RPG's. One might compare DA2 and Witcher2 and it looks like there will be a sure winner in that race.

(Careful! Contains Strong Bloody Violence and BOOBIES)
Turn me into a frog if you must but I had to tell you how that race will end

[Fishy]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

interestingly, people are saying TW2 and Skyrim are favourites for GOTY,
but Portal 2 already has 96/100 metacritic which is exactly what Mass
Effect 2 and Oblivion got, 1 more than Red Dead Redemption, etc... I say
Portal 2 is most likely GOTY just because it already has the score
where as the other 2 games could easily have failed like DA2 - for
example, Bethesda's most recent effort with FO3 only got 91/100 which is
quite a bit behind Portal 2...

So far probably Portal 2 for GOTY . But i still need to play Skyrim , Witcher 2 , Battlefield 3 , Deux Ex , Mass Effect 3 , L.A Noire , Max Payne 3 , Hitman 5 , KOTOR , DarkSoul , Modern Warfare 3 , Rage  , Diablo 3 , Guild Wars 2 , GOW 3 , 

Plus the other already released like Killzone 3 .. Which was quite loved . Seriously there's so many great game this years

[freche]

Epona222 wrote...
It is not using the same engine.

Yea for who in their right mind would today create a brand new engine based on dx9.

- "Ohh yea we can't use the same engine Oblivion used, we will get bashed for that."
- "You are right. Hmm, lets take our existing one and change some lightning stuff, update an Havok feature and call it something new."

[AngryFrozenWater]

Sabriana wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Yes... That would be a joke. But the OP has probably this in mind:

TES V: Skyrim.

Oh my.... *wipes drool off chin*

That looks very good. But I'll  still wait until the first wave of inevitable bugs are found and wiped out. Bethesda's track record concerning bugs is pretty bad.

And I agree on this: Of the 3 big ones, Bioware has the best record for playable games on release. At least for me. I never encountered a game-breaking bug in a Bioware game so far. Knock on wood.

The Isabela/Sebastian bug was game breaking. Although fixed many weeks after the release, BW did not even consider a hotfix. The target selection bug for the PC is an irritating bug that can drive you nuts. Not fixed yet. I think people here look at BW through pink glasses. DA:O got hundreds of bugs. All of those are documented on the wikia. What a lovely track record they have.

[SirShreK]

freche wrote...

Epona222 wrote...
It is not using the same engine.

Yea for who in their right mind would today create a brand new engine based on dx9.

- "Ohh yea we can't use the same engine Oblivion used, we will get bashed for that."
- "You are right. Hmm, lets take our existing one and change some lightning stuff, update an Havok feature and call it something new."

Ahh. A noob. So you must mean that the unreal engine all through the years is the same with just new tweaks, right?

Actually look at this page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamebryo

Its just a SAMPLE of games using gamebryo. Now what do you think?

[Night Prowler76]

Sabriana wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

What mods are you running on Oblivion, I play it on the console but Im thinking of Dloading it on the PC?

Oh dear. I have so many of them. I swear, sometimes I think my 'data' folder is bigger than the game itself.

I have a lot of graphic mods, that change the quality of the faces and bodies.
Better water is another one
Mods for grass, sky, and other plantlife
Quest mods
Housing mods
Regrowing Nirnroot is another one
Reality priced clutter and clothing
No psychic guards
Unofficial Oblivion/Knights of the Nine/Shivering Isle patches

I really couldn't list them all here, but I assure you that most of the modders are simply great over at the Nexus:Oblivion.

My favorite are the "Stoker Wolf - male companion" and his quest which will require you do get the "Underdark" mod.

Here's a link:

www.tesnexus.com/

Just make sure you get one of the Mod Managers (I use the Oblivion Mod Manager). There are too  many mods that are incompatible with each other, and the OMM can ferret them out.


Sorry for the OTness. Now returning to you regularly scheduled thread.

Thank you for your help Sabriana, muchly appreciated<3

[Night Prowler76]

Suprez30 wrote...

Alex Kershaw wrote...

interestingly, people are saying TW2 and Skyrim are favourites for GOTY,
but Portal 2 already has 96/100 metacritic which is exactly what Mass
Effect 2 and Oblivion got, 1 more than Red Dead Redemption, etc... I say
Portal 2 is most likely GOTY just because it already has the score
where as the other 2 games could easily have failed like DA2 - for
example, Bethesda's most recent effort with FO3 only got 91/100 which is
quite a bit behind Portal 2...

So far probably Portal 2 for GOTY . But i still need to play Skyrim , Witcher 2 , Battlefield 3 , Deux Ex , Mass Effect 3 , L.A Noire , Max Payne 3 , Hitman 5 , KOTOR , DarkSoul , Modern Warfare 3 , Rage  , Diablo 3 , Guild Wars 2 , GOW 3 , 

Plus the other already released like Killzone 3 .. Which was quite loved . Seriously there's so many great game this years

Its a good year for games, thats for sure, as for GOTY, its going to be a close one, I would say ME3 or Skyrim, I dont think any of the other games will compete with those two, it will be ME3's story vs Skyrim's content and size:>  I cant see TW2 winning just because its a PC only title as of right now, but you never know.

[Sabriana]

You're welcome, Night Prowler 76

[freche]

SirShreK wrote...
Ahh. A noob. So you must mean that the unreal engine all through the years is the same with just new tweaks, right?

Actually look at this page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamebryo

Its just a SAMPLE of games using gamebryo. Now what do you think?

I'm well aware that the Gamebryo engine has been used for many other games then Oblivion and FO3, but all these games uses it at the core then the companies tweak it to suit their needs. Saying check all the games this engine have been used for therefor all versions of it must be good, it's like comparing meatballs with steak because they can come from the same animal.

Bethesda have used their own tweaked version of it and it has been quite bad tbh. AI, animations are all bad, it had some nice graphics when Oblivion was released and that was why the game sold (it looked good). Later it has sold because everyone that likes it and promotes it plays with mods that makes it playable.

Regarding the engine, I just say that I belive bethesda is using a lot of old stuff, changed and added some for their so called "new" engine. Simply because they don't have full support of DX11 but instead they keep on using DX9, a DX that is 9years old. And because I belive they use old stuff, I belive Skyrim will be unstable just as Oblivion and FO3 was.

Modifié par freche, 24 avril 2011 - 10:07 .

[Soilborn88]

By the time The Witcher 2 comes out the only people left playing DA2 will be console gamers.

Sorry but it's true. The Witcher 2 is going to blow DA2 out of the water and is one of the most anticpated games of the year.

And giving that CD Projekt had no corrupted influence of console gamers they are sticking to traditional PC RPG roots, while adopting the suggestions from the "PC" community. 

[Il Divo]

Gatt9 wrote...

No they don't.

Skyrim continues Todd's tradition of removing anything that even remotely threatens to be an RPG mechanic in pursuit of making action-adventure games,  while ignoring the fan base.  Now they're removing attributes,  claiming they serve no purpose,  ignoring the fact that it's their faulty design that resulted in them not having purporse.

I recall meeting more than a few Daggerfall/Morrowind fans who still managed to enjoy Oblivion.....

They've removed yet more skills,  for no reason other than removing skills.  Just as they did with Oblivion.  Daggerfall and Morrowind had more features than Todd's projects.

Morrowind followed this same development pattern, from Daggerfall.

Their "Open world" consistently means giant enourmous open areas that contain nothing worth doing.  But they make sure to waste time rendering every fork in 3D so you can pick it up and carry it,  despite being completely pointless.

Of all the criticisms I recall being raised against Oblivion (Enchanting, no spell failure, fast travel, leveled loot, the compass), this was not one of them. Oblivion's problem was not that there was 'nothing worth doing' (anymore than any other Elder Scrolls game). Previous elder scrolls games were filled with the same worthless fetch quests. The bigger issue was the generic handling of the guild system.

No implementation of any new questing material other than what existed in 1995.  They can't even manage to take a feature from MMOs,  like Rare drop loot,  in order to expand their games.  NPC interaction is no more deep than what existed in the 90's as well.  Bethseda doesn't innovate,  they remove things for no reason other than they don't want to make RPGs,  and bring nothing new to the table.

Beyond, of course, development of RAI which some might consider a good step forward in the sandbox department. The feature itself was brilliant, unfortunately it came at a cost.

It's also far easier/less expensive to go the text-box route, rather than implement full voice-acting, but this comes with its own costs.

As far as losing their core audience goes,  they've alienated them several times,  and in their hubris ban them,  ban their websites and censor them,  and then publicly mock them in game. 

As a huge critic of Oblivion on the Elder Scrolls boards, even I found myself laughing at the arguments some 'haters' would put forth. It's hard to take critics seriously when they often act like their entire existence revolves around a single video game. Some wanted nothing less to a return to Morrowind's system where I could hit an opponent while still somehow 'missing' them.

Modifié par Il Divo, 24 avril 2011 - 10:13 .

[Night Prowler76]

Soilborn88 wrote...

By the time The Witcher 2 comes out the only people left playing DA2 will be console gamers.

Sorry but it's true. The Witcher 2 is going to blow DA2 out of the water and is one of the most anticpated games of the year.

And giving that CD Projekt had no corrupted influence of console gamers they are sticking to traditional PC RPG roots, while adopting the suggestions from the "PC" community. 

I guess its good to remain independant in certain situations, I play games on the console and PC, and my friends list on XBL is full and none of them are playing DA2 except 1 person who bought it used and doesnt really like it, but is finishing it anyways for the achievements, I think it has run its course and is done with now:>

I really hope TW2 is as good as it looks, I might have to update my PC lol

[Zjarcal]

Soilborn88 wrote...

By the time The Witcher 2 comes out the only people left playing DA2 will be console gamers.

Sorry but it's true. The Witcher 2 is going to blow DA2 out of the water and is one of the most anticpated games of the year.

And giving that CD Projekt had no corrupted influence of console gamers they are sticking to traditional PC RPG roots, while adopting the suggestions from the "PC" community. 

Oh for the love of god, take your PC elitist crap elsewhere. And this is coming from someone who only plays on PC.

[Soilborn88]

Zjarcal wrote...

Soilborn88 wrote...

By the time The Witcher 2 comes out the only people left playing DA2 will be console gamers.

Sorry but it's true. The Witcher 2 is going to blow DA2 out of the water and is one of the most anticpated games of the year.

And giving that CD Projekt had no corrupted influence of console gamers they are sticking to traditional PC RPG roots, while adopting the suggestions from the "PC" community. 

Oh for the love of god, take your PC elitist crap elsewhere. And this is coming from someone who only plays on PC.

I'm just telling the truth. Console gamers look at RPGs different than most PC gamers do. Look what happened to Dragon Age 2 for example.

Secondly I want to play PC games, not Console games made for PC. It's not to much to ask really. PC gamers act this way because we're always alienated, and I will continue to express myself and my opinions just like you CONSOLE GAMERS DO by constantly calling us eltist.

Go cry moar.

[Night Prowler76]

Soilborn88 wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Soilborn88 wrote...

By the time The Witcher 2 comes out the only people left playing DA2 will be console gamers.

Sorry but it's true. The Witcher 2 is going to blow DA2 out of the water and is one of the most anticpated games of the year.

And giving that CD Projekt had no corrupted influence of console gamers they are sticking to traditional PC RPG roots, while adopting the suggestions from the "PC" community. 

Oh for the love of god, take your PC elitist crap elsewhere. And this is coming from someone who only plays on PC.

I'm just telling the truth. Console gamers look at RPGs different than most PC gamers do. Look what happened to Dragon Age 2 for example.

Secondly I want to play PC games, not Console games made for PC. It's not to much to ask really. PC gamers act this way because we're always alienated, and I will continue to express myself and my opinions just like you CONSOLE GAMERS DO by constantly calling us eltist.

Go cry moar.

It may apprear the game is geared to console gamers, which it is I guess, but honestly, most console gamers dont think DA2 is that good, I wouldnt blame console players for design choices made by BioWare, this console gamer is displeased=]

[contown]

If Skyrim were Usain Bolt, Dragon Age 2 would be Gabe Newell. It wouldn't be much of a race.

[Gotholhorakh]

OK, snyde comment:

Do we think a Bethesda RPG will have the ability to use ladders this decade?

[Night Prowler76]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

OK, snyde comment:

Do we think a Bethesda RPG will have the ability to use ladders this decade?

There are lots of ladders in caves that you can use in Oblivion, so I will say YES!! They will likely keep this feature for Skyrim.