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[Woodstock-TC]

short answer to thread opener: yes (although "epicness" as standalone game-criteria is overrated.)

elaborating a bit:
while there is less of a standard rpg "the big evil whoops out of the ground, the ring is found, the eye looks upset from the tower, all need to be united" stuff we already replayed in different RPG games countless of times, the story telling in DA2 and story setup is very mature.
You can find reason behind most viewpoints and yet they are hard up to impossible to balance. These are the real threats the real problems you find also in the world outside your monitor. Did i enyoed that ? Hell yes. From a story telling perspective it was epic. Especially since the protagonist found himself in a constant struggel as well. It was very well made. Did the framed narrative worked out for the game ? Well partially for sure. Less for companion development, but i guess we all learn. I enjoyed this story much more than the DA:O story, which was as plot no surprise at all. (and which was criticized a lot back than..)
All in all it became less of black and white, more grey, more natural. Does it has flaws. For sure. Does it do all perfect. No. But it goes in many aspectis in an exciting direction IMHO.

greets,
wood

Modifié par Woodstock-TC, 25 avril 2011 - 06:37 .

[Roxlimn]

Aaleel:

Alright. It's not the treaties themselves. I don't see how that materially changes anything.

And you're here running down Origins story for using them, when DA2 uses far more blatant ones. The 50 gold, and fixing the Eluvian for example. You just didn't like the story in Origins so you pick on it, but you liked the story in DA2 so you ignore the same things.

The 50 gold is representative of inclusion in the Expedition. It's just a gameplay barrier to represent minimum acceptability for the latter quest. It's not a McGuffin because it is not, itself driving the action. It's the expedition, which is kind of important in being an expedition.

The Eluvian is kind of a McGuffin, but it's not what drives the action. It's Merill herself who does that, which is understandable given that you're pursuing her companion quest when you do the Eluvian thing. Also, it actually kind of turns out to be important that it is what it is.

[Embargoed]

Why should a game feel epic anyway? It's a story, you either like it or you don't. There are plenty of stories that I love that don't have an epic feel to them.

If one needs some sort of "epic" feel to one's story just to enjoy it, then there's a problem. Not every game needs to shovel some sort of Big Bad down my throat just for me to enjoy playing the game.

[Aaleel]

Roxlimn wrote...

Aaleel:

Alright. It's not the treaties themselves. I don't see how that materially changes anything.

And you're here running down Origins story for using them, when DA2 uses far more blatant ones. The 50 gold, and fixing the Eluvian for example. You just didn't like the story in Origins so you pick on it, but you liked the story in DA2 so you ignore the same things.

The 50 gold is representative of inclusion in the Expedition. It's just a gameplay barrier to represent minimum acceptability for the latter quest. It's not a McGuffin because it is not, itself driving the action. It's the expedition, which is kind of important in being an expedition.

The Eluvian is kind of a McGuffin, but it's not what drives the action. It's Merill herself who does that, which is understandable given that you're pursuing her companion quest when you do the Eluvian thing. Also, it actually kind of turns out to be important that it is what it is.

That's like sayng if you're trying to find a sword to kill a Dragon the sword is not a MacGuffin becasue killing the Dragon is driving the story.  The end is never the MacGuffin, the quest for the means to accomplish the end is the MacGuffin, in this case the money to go on the expedition.

[Mecher3k]

Ignore Roxlimn, he's a fanboy for DA2 that is worst then the apple cultists.

[Turran]

You mean, that super-sayan at the end wasn't epic enough?! What are you crazy?! What about the constant waves of enemies that you can blast through and watch unreal amounts of blood fly through the air?!
You must be crazeh bro...

[Roxlimn]

Aaleel:

The definition of a McGuffin is that it drives the story. The Eluvian isn't driving the story. Merrill's kookiness is. And it matters what it is.

The 50 gold isn't driving the story. The expedition is the one that's doing that.

[sleepyowlet]

Roxlimn wrote...

Aaleel:

The definition of a McGuffin is that it drives the story. The Eluvian isn't driving the story. Merrill's kookiness is. And it matters what it is.

The 50 gold isn't driving the story. The expedition is the one that's doing that.

I don't understand your problem with the McGuffin. The One Ring is one, and The Lord Of The Rings is one of the most popular books ever. Helen of Troy is one too (let's face it, like most females in literature she's more plot-device than character) but the Iliad survived millenia. Want another one? Excalibur. The Grail.

The McGuffin works. And I'd rather have a story driven by one than a disjointed, rushed mess like DA2. At least in DA:O I know what I'm doing and don't get uprooted every five hours or so. Oh, and speaking of McGuffins - DA2 has got two. The Relic and the Lyrium Idol...

[Fishy]

The combat .. After vanquishing generic 'spawning in the air ennemy number 375' it's was not even funny anymore.
The same happenned when he killed that Big threatening monster and just shrugged it off at the end.. It's basicly summarized the entire game for me and each battle.

It's did not feel epic because each battle was generic.I don't know how many ppl Hawke killed in Kirkwall but you think at some point , someone would notice there's 4000 ppl missing that Hawke gibbed .

I don't care about saving the world . Portal 2 was more epic and you fought a Moron at the end.

[CitizenSnips]

Something awesome needs to happen more than once everytime I press a button. Not epic enough.

[KilrB]

Epic?

It's barely adequate.

[sympathy4saren]

Saving Ferelden....then it drops down to a political strife between chantry and mages?

Is hidden in the writing, sloppily, a tale about intellectual and individual freedom, and how it is on the same scale as an impending invasion threat?

If so...bad writing. If not...than what the heck are they doing?