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[highnoondude]

Yea I agree. I didn't like her either and I think some people at Bioware didn't like her either (obviously people who don't write the characters). See what Chris said some time ago (can't remember where tho)

[Makkufish]

"A lot of people like this character that I personally dislike and don't have any interest in liking at all. Try to convince me why I should like this character when I have no intent to do so."

Though I can understand not wanting to become an obsessive Tali worshiper, it is a fate worse than death.

[1490]

lolfanboi wrote...

She was less of those "strong and independent" women, naturally she would have a larger fan base.

I disagree, I think Tali is a very strong character. She consistently stands up for her beliefs even if Shepard disagrees with them, and isnt afraid of what needs to be done for the good of her ship or her people.  Her romance only comes off as submissive because A: its interspecies, so a suitor would automatically be concerned whether or not the other species partner would be interested, and B: the other two female romances, Miranda and Jack, are very aggressive by comparison. Even Liara has gone from submissive to ME 1 to much more aggressive in ME2 and LotSB, so even though I dont consider Tali to be submissive, she probably comes off that way to some people.

[higherice]

Dr. Nexas wrote...

higherice wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

They didnt see it as genocide then. The Geth wern't sentient yet.

The Geth were sentient. Simple robots don't fight back unless they want to be free/self-preservation

But the Quarians didn't know that at the time, and its not like they could do anything about that after the Geth started killing everyone.

Yea the good old, "Let's kill them all since they aren't sentient and it doesnt matter!" to "Dam they're fighting back and must be sentient, it seems we are comitting genocide, aw dam."

Modifié par higherice, 24 avril 2011 - 08:47 .

[TomY90]

Makkufish wrote...

"A lot of people like this character that I personally dislike and don't have any interest in liking at all. Try to convince me why I should like this character when I have no intent to do so."

Though I can understand not wanting to become an obsessive Tali worshiper, it is a fate worse than death.

I agree I would rather worship a bucket ...... actually they are the same thing oh dear im in trouble

Modifié par TomY90, 24 avril 2011 - 08:46 .

[Pwener2313]

She isn't in par with Jack, garrus, Grunt, Joker or Wrex, but she's a good one nontheless.

[Dr. Nexas]

higherice wrote...

Dr. Nexas wrote...

higherice wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

They didnt see it as genocide then. The Geth wern't sentient yet.

The Geth were sentient. Simple robots don't fight back unless they want to be free/self-preservation

But the Quarians didn't know that at the time, and its not like they could do anything about that after the Geth started killing everyone.

Yea the good old, "Let's kill them all since they aren't sentient and it doesnt matter!" to "Dam they're fighting back and must be sentient, it seems we are comitting genocide, aw dam."

If they weren't sapient then it wouldn't be killing in the first place. It would be no more immoral than shutting down your computer.

Also the Quarians wouldn't exactly have alot of time to discuss the moral implications of the newely sapient Geth as they were kinda busy trying to not get murdered.

[higherice]

Dr. Nexas wrote...

higherice wrote...

Dr. Nexas wrote...

higherice wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

They didnt see it as genocide then. The Geth wern't sentient yet.

The Geth were sentient. Simple robots don't fight back unless they want to be free/self-preservation

But the Quarians didn't know that at the time, and its not like they could do anything about that after the Geth started killing everyone.

Yea the good old, "Let's kill them all since they aren't sentient and it doesnt matter!" to "Dam they're fighting back and must be sentient, it seems we are comitting genocide, aw dam."

If they weren't sapient then it wouldn't be killing in the first place. It would be no more immoral than shutting down your computer.

Also the Quarians wouldn't exactly have alot of time to discuss the moral implications of the newely sapient Geth as they were kinda busy trying to not get murdered.

They could have discussed the moral implications BEFORE they started destroying all the geth. The geth only started fighting after the quarians decided to kill them all.

[M8DMAN]

stu117 wrote...

lolfanboi wrote...

She was less of those "strong and independent" women, naturally she would have a larger fan base.

Strong and independent women are for weak and indecisive men. >_> lulz

I thought Tali was pretty Independent.  Hell at the start of ME2 she has her own squad.

[lolfanboi]

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Modifié par lolfanboi, 24 avril 2011 - 09:02 .

[higherice]

M8DMAN wrote...

stu117 wrote...

lolfanboi wrote...

She was less of those "strong and independent" women, naturally she would have a larger fan base.

Strong and independent women are for weak and indecisive men. >_> lulz

I thought Tali was pretty Independent.  Hell at the start of ME2 she has her own squad.

Probably only because of her father. her team don't even listen to her, and they all die

[Fredvdp]

Tali was in my opinion the least interesting of the party members in ME1. She had evidence against Saren and then she's just sitting on your ship talking about quarians and geth. I felt like she had nothing to do. In ME2 they developed her a bit more but the only reason she's not the least interesting party member is because BioWare wrote Samara into the game.

I don't hate Tali either. I'm just indifferent. In ME1 she's the only character I skipped when talking to the crew because I don't care about what she has to say.

[Dr. Nexas]

higherice wrote...

Dr. Nexas wrote...

higherice wrote...

Dr. Nexas wrote...

higherice wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

They didnt see it as genocide then. The Geth wern't sentient yet.

The Geth were sentient. Simple robots don't fight back unless they want to be free/self-preservation

But the Quarians didn't know that at the time, and its not like they could do anything about that after the Geth started killing everyone.

Yea the good old, "Let's kill them all since they aren't sentient and it doesnt matter!" to "Dam they're fighting back and must be sentient, it seems we are comitting genocide, aw dam."

If they weren't sapient then it wouldn't be killing in the first place. It would be no more immoral than shutting down your computer.

Also the Quarians wouldn't exactly have alot of time to discuss the moral implications of the newely sapient Geth as they were kinda busy trying to not get murdered.

They could have discussed the moral implications BEFORE they started destroying all the geth. The geth only started fighting after the quarians decided to kill them all.

I'm pretty sure they did. They realized that creating a race of illegal and possibly dangerous AIs was probably a really bad idea and tried to nip it in the bud before they became sapient. It was akin to an abortion than outright murder.

[Kusy]

WHAT IS THIS? SOMEONE LIKES A CHARACTER I DON'T PARTICULARY ENJOY!
How is this possible? How to solve this mystery of other people's taste, interests and personality... 
Incredible.

[marshalleck]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

WHAT IS THIS? SOMEONE LIKES A CHARACTER I DON'T PARTICULARY ENJOY!
How is this possible? How to solve this mystery of other people's taste, interests and personality... 
Incredible.

I know, right? It's mind-boggling. 

[Kusy]

My point is, I don't go rant at people who like to eat spinach just because I don't.

I see there's a lot of love for spinach on the cooking forum and I just don't understand it. I didn't find it a particularly tasty veggetable. Didn't like they included it in in this sald. Would have prefered potato/tomato. Spinach always kinda annoyed me tbh, I find it a bit insipid.

[Ryzaki]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...

http://t1.gstatic.co...OXu0yofvkeO&t=1

Wut is this I don't I even.

^

[thatbwoyblu]

I personally can not stand Tali and the 13 year old sex deprived bwoys that love her. Like Ive said before Tali Pookey Chasers make ME 2 fans look wack, real talk.

[thatbwoyblu]

Also Tali sweats up a storm in that dinky suit so she must smell like hot onions and engine smoke YUCK!

[Razagon]

@highnoondude
 
I'm not a fan of photoshop -.-

nor Tali

Modifié par Razagon, 24 avril 2011 - 09:54 .

[challenger18]

Word, son.

[AngelicMachinery]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

My point is, I don't go rant at people who like to eat spinach just because I don't.

I see there's a lot of love for spinach on the cooking forum and I just don't understand it. I didn't find it a particularly tasty veggetable. Didn't like they included it in in this sald. Would have prefered potato/tomato. Spinach always kinda annoyed me tbh, I find it a bit insipid.

You don't like Spinach, you monster!

[Gill Kaiser]

MajesticJazz wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
@MajesticJazz I wouldn't say they are the most obsessive, I'd say they're quite loud.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRDZ7SkkxMxPLWdADF4nkS6joTpkevd1AbTQw_6rOXu0yofvkeO&t=1
Yeah, they're not obsessive, just loud.....

Yeah, if you TinEye that, you can easily find out that it's nothing to do with Tali. What exactly is your point?

[higherice]

Dr. Nexas wrote...

higherice wrote...

Dr. Nexas wrote...

higherice wrote...

Dr. Nexas wrote...

higherice wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

They didnt see it as genocide then. The Geth wern't sentient yet.

The Geth were sentient. Simple robots don't fight back unless they want to be free/self-preservation

But the Quarians didn't know that at the time, and its not like they could do anything about that after the Geth started killing everyone.

Yea the good old, "Let's kill them all since they aren't sentient and it doesnt matter!" to "Dam they're fighting back and must be sentient, it seems we are comitting genocide, aw dam."

If they weren't sapient then it wouldn't be killing in the first place. It would be no more immoral than shutting down your computer.

Also the Quarians wouldn't exactly have alot of time to discuss the moral implications of the newely sapient Geth as they were kinda busy trying to not get murdered.

They could have discussed the moral implications BEFORE they started destroying all the geth. The geth only started fighting after the quarians decided to kill them all.

I'm pretty sure they did. They realized that creating a race of illegal and possibly dangerous AIs was probably a really bad idea and tried to nip it in the bud before they became sapient. It was akin to an abortion than outright murder.

Except the Geth were already sentient when the quarians attacked.

[gosimmons]

I think every character has merits and flaws, as well as varied fans. So characters and entire fanbases shouldn't be judged based on some strange people you see on the net.

There are some who like Jack for her abrasive attitude and sympathetic past, some who like Garrus for his vigilante outlook and non-calibrating dialogue, and some who like Tali for being the kind, intelligent techie.


It's a matter of preference if you like or don't like certain characters. That's why there's variation in them.

Modifié par gosimmons, 24 avril 2011 - 10:20 .