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[PSUHammer]

Interview is here:  http://bit.ly/hAPwy4

Q:  Looking back at Dragon Age II, there was some fan disappointment with certain aspects of the game. Is there anything behind the scenes that you think contributed to that and are there any big changes in store for the next installment?

Muzyka: It’s been polarizing to see the feedback, frankly. There’s been a lot of people that have been really delighted about what we’ve provided in Dragon Age II. People rating it 90 to 100 and really being happy with all the features and the focus on action intensity and the voiced protagonist and the way the story unfolds with the framed narrative and a lot of the things that are quite innovative and different.

There are other people that were expecting more Dragon Age Origins and more of the spiritual successor to Baldur’s Gate. Some of them have expressed disappointment. It’s something we really take seriously. We’re taking that feedback to heart and we’re seeing what we can do to continue to surprise and delight our fans in the future.

We’ve actually attracted a lot of new people to the franchise. Dragon Age II is selling faster than Dragon Age Origins. It’s probably part because it’s drawing a lot of new fans in. And that’s exciting to us. But our core fans are really important to us. I can’t emphasize that enough. They helped get us to where we are today. They’re the core of what we do, and we want to make sure we’re making games that satisfy them.

I am actually kind of tired of the sentiment I italicized, above.  I have a lot of respect for the good Doctors but I wish Bioware would not dismiss legitimate concerns with the game as "nostalgia."  I have heard others mention this in interviews, as well.  I liked DA2 but felt it could have really used a lot more work in some areas and none of them are related to me pining for DAO.  Some examples are:
 
*  Recycled environments, which are a result of either too short a design cycle, limited resources or laziness.
*  Spawning enemies...should have been implemented better than ninjas dropping from the sky.  This has nothing to do with DAO.
*  Inventory junk.  Just pointless waste of space.
*  Kirkwall did not feel alive (should have felt like cities in the Assassin's Creed series).  Templars didn't notice mages casting spells in the streets, guards didn't join battles, etc.
*  All of the quest bugs.  Technical glitches are there for any game, but DA2 had so many quest bugs that it was ridiculous for an AAA game.
 
I digress here, but most of the criticism I have seen has been constructive and doesn't reference DAO.  Sure there are some people who have issues letting go of the past games, but as a whole, DA2 just seems like it could have used much more time in development and QA.  Let's hope our issues with the game aren't marginalized like this.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 24 avril 2011 - 09:00 .

[Elhanan]

Note: There are some compaints made by those that are nostalgic, some wanting their own game, some wanting a lower price and whine, etc; nowhere above does it equate all those opposed to one specific set other than being disappointed.

[PSUHammer]

Well, if you read the response from Muzyka, it seems like they are looking at it from the angle of criticism coming from DAO "purists". Which simply isn't always the case. I have seen Laidlaw say the same thing in recent interviews.

I just wanted to point out that I like both games and liked many of the changes in DA2. My criticisms aren't derived from a place that Muzyka describes, above.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 24 avril 2011 - 07:39 .

[Teddie Sage]

And we all know this is true. This game isn't meant to be Origins and I like that idea.

[wobble55]

Here's what all game studios would like to say right now but are afraid to say it:

"Look guys.... complex, highly detailed, hardcore RPGs with great graphics and skilled voice acting are far too expensive to make now, and fewer and fewer customers want to play them.  So, it's over... action games on consoles are the future and that's where we're headed!"

[DTKT]

I wonder if they are going to learn anything from DAII. Or are they just going to thinnk that all the criticisms comes from DAO purist, which isnt the case.

[Shirosaki17]

wobble55 wrote...

Here's what all game studios would like to say right now but are afraid to say it:

"Look guys.... complex, highly detailed, hardcore RPGs with great graphics and skilled voice acting are far too expensive to make now, and fewer and fewer customers want to play them.  So, it's over... action games on consoles are the future and that's where we're headed!"

It'll be interesting if Witcher 2 turns out to be more complex/hardcore than DA2 and it sells more copies. Wonder what they will think then.

They're still trying to drag their old fanbase along to these new action oriented and simplified games.

[tmp7704]

If the Witcher sequel sells well it isn't going to prove anything one way or another i think, since it combines supposedly deeper story/rp with combat mechanics which if anything are more action-like than what DA2 has tried. So if one wants to see it as sign action games are in fact the future of the genre, they can.

[Dave of Canada]

Shirosaki17 wrote...
It'll be interesting if Witcher 2 turns out to be more complex/hardcore than DA2 and it sells more copies. Wonder what they will think then.

They're still trying to drag their old fanbase along to these new action oriented and simplified games.

So is Witcher 2 complex and deep or streamlined and consolized? I keep hearing both depending on where I go, the Bioware forums seem to praise it (to insult DA2) while everybody else seems to be infuriated at how "consolized" the game is.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 24 avril 2011 - 08:47 .

[Alex Kershaw]

I played DAO only a couple of months ago and I think it's infinitely better than DA2. I love ME2 more than ME1 and so it isn't the change that's the problem. DA2 is Bioware's worst RPG ever by some margin based on the metacritic scores. If DA2 had gotten a great metacritic score from critics, they could have argued the nostalgia. As it stands, it's not a valid argument.

[Alex Kershaw]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...
It'll be interesting if Witcher 2 turns out to be more complex/hardcore than DA2 and it sells more copies. Wonder what they will think then.

They're still trying to drag their old fanbase along to these new action oriented and simplified games.

So is Witcher 2 complex and deep or streamlined and consolized? I keep hearing both depending on where I go, the Bioware forums seem to praise it (to insult DA2) while everybody else seems to be infuriated at how "consolized" the game is.

The Witcher 2 is a PC exclusive.

[Dave of Canada]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

The Witcher 2 is a PC exclusive.

I know that, I keep hearing it's the console player's fault because they'll probably make a console port though.

[PSUHammer]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...
It'll be interesting if Witcher 2 turns out to be more complex/hardcore than DA2 and it sells more copies. Wonder what they will think then.

They're still trying to drag their old fanbase along to these new action oriented and simplified games.

So is Witcher 2 complex and deep or streamlined and consolized? I keep hearing both depending on where I go, the Bioware forums seem to praise it (to insult DA2) while everybody else seems to be infuriated at how "consolized" the game is.

The Witcher 2 is a PC exclusive.

Right...so the "consolization" arguement for the Witcher is kind of pointless.  Anyway, I don't think DA2 is bad nor do I think Bioware is going in the wrong direction with their games.  I enjoyed ME2 very much.  There are always things I wish they would change, but in the end, it is personal semantics.

My point about DA2 was that there were design decisions and/or issues that were crappy, regardless of whether or not you enjoyed DAO.  I can appreciate both games for what they are.

[JaegerBane]

Teddie Sage wrote...

And we all know this is true. This game isn't meant to be Origins and I like that idea.

It's fine of they want to make a game that isn't Origins. What I, and I'd wager plenty of others, want is a game flows properly, allows the players to influence the outcome of quests and narrative, introduces us to a host of new lands and areas and above all, makes sense. DA:O happened to do this, but that doesn't mean I specifically want a rehash of DA:O.

I, for one, would really appreciate it if people started drawing a distinction between wanting DA:O back, and wanting a game that worked properly and made sense. They aren't the same thing.

[Ariella]

@Hammer

Reading these forums for the month after DA2's release, I'd say that Ray hits the nail on the head, there are a LOT of people who are disappointed that this wasn't DAO2, and to dismiss THAT would be foolish. Between that and the recycled maps, from my readings, are the two huge elephants in the room. Ray's not dismissing anybody, he'd just telling the truth.

[PSUHammer]

Ariella wrote...

@Hammer

Reading these forums for the month after DA2's release, I'd say that Ray hits the nail on the head, there are a LOT of people who are disappointed that this wasn't DAO2, and to dismiss THAT would be foolish. Between that and the recycled maps, from my readings, are the two huge elephants in the room. Ray's not dismissing anybody, he'd just telling the truth.

Don't get me wrong, that group (the "we want MOAR DAO" group) has been very vocal, for sure.  But MOST of the constructive criticism that has been given by almost everyone (See the "Constructive Criticism" thread) have been issues not related to game design differences from DAO, but, specific issues with DA2. 

There are many of us moderate gamers who like both games for what they are, yet, still recognize some flaws with both.

[Shirosaki17]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...
It'll be interesting if Witcher 2 turns out to be more complex/hardcore than DA2 and it sells more copies. Wonder what they will think then.

They're still trying to drag their old fanbase along to these new action oriented and simplified games.

So is Witcher 2 complex and deep or streamlined and consolized? I keep hearing both depending on where I go, the Bioware forums seem to praise it (to insult DA2) while everybody else seems to be infuriated at how "consolized" the game is.

It won't take much for Witcher 2 to be more complex and deep than DA2. I suppose that's my point. From the little I know about Witcher 2, it appears there are at least 2 options to proceed through areas. Stealth being 1. Another is there are 16 different endings. 10 of which are boasted to be very different. That means more roleplaying options and dialogue options than DA2.

@tmp7704 I don't think comparing the combat has anything to do with what I was replying to and talking about. I'm talking about roleplaying and other options in game. Things that Bioware felt weren't important enough to put into DA2.

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 24 avril 2011 - 09:14 .

[fchopin]

Muzyka: Dragon Age II is selling faster than Dragon Age Origins.

If the game is selling faster than DAO then someone has got their facts wrong.

[Kusy]

Ray Muzyka assured...
There are other people that were expecting more Dragon Age Origins and more of the spiritual successor to Baldur’s Gate. Some of them have expressed disappointment. It’s something we really take seriously. We’re taking that feedback to heart and we’re seeing what we can do to continue to surprise and delight our fans in the future.

Ray Muzyka assured...
BioWare definitely really values all members of our world-wide Community, no matter where you live.  Accordingly, in the coming weeks, we will be announcing details about future events specifically for fans living in those territories which were excluded from participating in the first BioWare Bazaar. [...]  We’ll announce more details in the coming weeks

Dunno, I see some similarities here. So yeah, go figure my opinion on whatever BioWare assures in the subject of taking feedback and community.

[Shatterkiss]

fchopin wrote...

Muzyka: Dragon Age II is selling faster than Dragon Age Origins.

If the game is selling faster than DAO then someone has got their facts wrong.

Actually that statement is true.  Looking at sales charts, DA2 is definitely outselling DAO in recent weeks.  Of course, DAO has been out for years...

[AkiKishi]

Totally shocking that people would want more of something good rather than something that looks like it never should have been released.

[Elhanan]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Well, if you read the response from Muzyka, it seems like they are looking at it from the angle of criticism coming from DAO "purists". Which simply isn't always the case. I have seen Laidlaw say the same thing in recent interviews.

I just wanted to point out that I like both games and liked many of the changes in DA2. My criticisms aren't derived from a place that Muzyka describes, above.

I have read it; will repost quoted section for accuracy:

... There are other people that were expecting more Dragon Age Origins and more of the spiritual successor to Baldur’s Gate. Some of them have expressed disappointment. It’s something we really take seriously. We’re taking that feedback to heart and we’re seeing what we can do to continue to surprise and delight our fans in the future....

I do not believe the good doctor is addressing your concerns (or mine for that matter), as "other" and "some" people do not equate to all other detractors. He seems to be addressing one subset of those expressing disappointment, and are taking it seriously.

Just because you and me have varied opinions on this game and DAO does not equate to us being dismissed or ignored; simply being addressed to the polarized segments described, of which I am grateful to NOT being included.

[PSUHammer]

A valid point, but if you add these comments to some I have seen from Laidlaw to the same extent, it sure feels like they are lumping a lot of the dissention to DAO purists.

[AkiKishi]

Hammer6767 wrote...

A valid point, but if you add these comments to some I have seen from Laidlaw to the same extent, it sure feels like they are lumping a lot of the dissention to DAO purists.

If you read the DA2 homepage is says "The sequel to..." Not the "Completely unrelated spinoff of.." 

Bioware deserve everything they get from this both as it related to DA and how it related to DA2 being a barely finished buggy mess.

[fchopin]

Shatterkiss wrote...

fchopin wrote...

Muzyka: Dragon Age II is selling faster than Dragon Age Origins.

If the game is selling faster than DAO then someone has got their facts wrong.

Actually that statement is true.  Looking at sales charts, DA2 is definitely outselling DAO in recent weeks.  Of course, DAO has been out for years...

Can you post a link where you saw the sales figures?