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[Biotic Budah]

I think one of the big questions was here you had DA:O, RPG of the year in many circles, a million seller, a successful game. And then you pretty much do a reboot of the franchise. Even the Darkspawn looked completely different. (they appeared much more menacing in DA:O). The gameplay is certainly different. I think the fault lies with the ending of DA:O itself, which led you to believe the sequel would have answers to where Morrigan went, etc.

I think DA:2 was rushed. It still seems to have some rough edges, and some of the plot points could have used polishing.

[Elhanan]

Pandaman102 wrote...

Profanity is merely another way of expressing one's lack of respect for another person. Another way of showing lack of respect is to insult someone with unfounded accusations. I did the former, he did the latter - and I had ample opportunity to do the latter as well when he supported his position in an earlier argument by claiming he was a doctor; I could have easily done the childish thing and called him for pulling the "I'm an expert, I know what I'm talking about" card, but I respected him and tried to continue the discussion while accepting his assertions as truthful.

I'm still showing him more respect by not calling him on his doctor claim, even with all the profanities.

But to address your "rags to riches" argument, the marketing says you determine Hawke's rise to power, not you watch Hawke's rise to power. It implies some degree of choice on how Hawke becomes Champion, but there is no choice. Your Hawke gained nobility the exact same way my Hawke became a noble, your Hawke became Champion exactly the same way my Hawke became Champion; the only choice we had was "which of our companions come along for the ride" - but, again, that isn't determining how you rise to power, that's determining what happens to your companions.

I don't mean to make light of your condition (at least I think you said it was a condition, I apologize if that's not what you meant), I understand that you have difficulties with direction and as such you don't notice the repeated maps, therefore you don't feel it's important. The problem is I, and many others, do notice the repeated maps. It''s very jarring and there are plenty of people who like and defend DA2 who don't defend the repeated maps, so it's not something minor that only "haters" are nitpicking on.

Well, we do determine on how to aquire the gold needed to gain that rise to power. I know this is not what you mean, but it's on my mind for an evil run. And then there is always failure; one must survive to gain those riches. I am not as needy for the more important choices as others; comes from work these past three decades in the hospitality industry, I guess;.

And I appreciate the concern, but my dislike for crowds has been extant for 30+ yrs, too. I would rather leave my cart in an aisle and return later than continue to dodge others in those narrow passages. Could be worse; could have para-Ninja's dropping in waves! And my lack of observation for caves is simply my general inability to notice much of anything, which is really more problematic when failing to notice new hairstyles, loss of weight, and clothing of some co-workers.

[tariq071]

Sidney wrote...

tariq071 wrote...


- It's not twich fest either

How is that different from DA 2, where you are just passenger that plays some Hawke instead of Ezio?

Right ACB isn't a twitch fest. It is a timing based combat system where I (the player) have to execute all the actions. There's no pick target, kill target interface like in DA2 or BG2. That's the start of the action game-yness of it.

Ezio is a passenger and Hawke isn't. Did Ezio ever make a decision in the game? Put another way is your Ezio any different than my Ezio? No. In DA2 your Hawke is different than my Hawke in decisions made over the course of the game. You apparently think the end state has to be different but that's not true it really can't be true given the way they told the story - hell the whole point is that something has happened but the Seeker misunderstands HOW it happened.  You are telling the story of how not what.

Gotta love when someone pulls one single thing  out of whole contest and then claims that it's perfect rebuttal..sometimes i really wonder how some people work...

But let me try to satisfy your incredibly small and weak counter argument...well more of the small comment

- Targeting ..right...you can switch target in both games,In one you do it with mouse in another you can only do it with key bind...oooo now that is a definitive defining difference..i am speechless.

- Hawke makes decision that has heavy impact on the world that he is in? When , where?What does he shapes other then choosing who he boinks(if anyone).Everything that has major impact  and shapes the world around him is already predetermined.It equals to that quests where Ezio can decide to beat the guy instead of killing him to teach him a lesson.Or you did only main stories in both games.

I can see that his decisions definitively change state of world on the end of every and each act and that shapes final encounters....not...

- Telling story ..ok...oh my, Seeker was wrong that Hawke was with Merril, but he was actually with Anders, so let me tell you how it happened and how that changed everything big time...not And yeah , Hawke wanted to be a dragon according to Flemeth...

-Your Hawke, my Hawke are difefrent only if you have rogue Hawke and i have warrior Hawke (example classes) .Yep that definitely makes a huge difference for game world...Maybe because mine has blonde hair and your red one?hmm...

Sorry, very weak, try harder...you provided no reasonable fact here other then your own desire.And even that in very insufficient segmentative way to prove anything.

Now try to negate rest of the things that i made in that previous post.Until then, it's an action adventure.

Modifié par tariq071, 26 avril 2011 - 05:18 .

[Ariella]

Biotic Budah wrote...

I think one of the big questions was here you had DA:O, RPG of the year in many circles, a million seller, a successful game. And then you pretty much do a reboot of the franchise. Even the Darkspawn looked completely different. (they appeared much more menacing in DA:O). The gameplay is certainly different. I think the fault lies with the ending of DA:O itself, which led you to believe the sequel would have answers to where Morrigan went, etc.

I think DA:2 was rushed. It still seems to have some rough edges, and some of the plot points could have used polishing.

Funny you should mention the darkspawn, since one of the major complains I saw was that Hurlocks were just another kind of orc, thus the redesign.

[Elhanan]

tariq071 wrote...

Now try to negate rest of the things that i made in that previous post.Until then, it's an action adventure...

Have seen this already....

"Duck season! Wabbit season! Wabbit season! Duck season! FIRE! *BOOM!!!* "

Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #364 in Video Games (See Top 100 in Video Games)
#8 in Video Games > PC Games > Role-Playing [/list]

Modifié par Elhanan, 26 avril 2011 - 06:56 .

[nicethugbert]

Hammer6767 wrote...
*  Inventory junk.  Just pointless waste of space.

They call it junk for a reason.  I think it's a commentary on the genre's use of items.

[Shadowbanner]

Elhanan wrote...

tariq071 wrote...

Now try to negate rest of the things that i made in that previous post.Until then, it's an action adventure...

Have seen this already....

"Duck season! Wabbit season! Wabbit season! Duck season! FIRE! *BOOM!!!* "

Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #364 in Video Games (See Top 100 in Video Games)
#8 in Video Games > PC Games > Role-Playing [/list]

DA2 in number 8 and falling.

DA:O (ultimate edition) in number 11 after almost 2 years...

[Mad-Max90]

This game was really just a disappointment to me, I won't/can't speak for all of us but this game was really just a big waste of time in telling the story of thedas, your stranded in Kirkwall for the whole ten years, you only play "3" years, if the game is going to make all the choices for you why not just make the plot to dragon age 3 with a prologue of what happened in dragon age 2, the whole Mage Templar angst was built up in origins, the whole game just covered the Mage circle delima that was in origins just longer

[PSUHammer]

nicethugbert wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...
*  Inventory junk.  Just pointless waste of space.

They call it junk for a reason.  I think it's a commentary on the genre's use of items.

That may be, but one could argue that it was a poorly implemented satire that tied too much into the games economic system (which I found didn't make much sense).

[Elhanan]

Shadowbanner wrote...

DA2 in number 8 and falling.

DA:O (ultimate edition) in number 11 after almost 2 years...

One is somewhat new; the other contains every DLC and expansion since Origin. I say: Great! Both help in this current economy.

Haters' hate; tis their nature like vanishing for 7 years before returning for the next plague....

[Shatterkiss]

Shadowbanner wrote...


DA2 in number 8 and falling.

DA:O (ultimate edition) in number 11 after almost 2 years...

Currently they're at #9 and #10 on the PC.  On the XBox they're at #3 and #7, and on the PS3 they're at #9 and #11.  Interestingly, ME2 is beating DA2 in sales on the PC and the XBox.  It's categorized as a shooter for the PS3, so no idea how they compare there.

[Elhanan]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

This game was really just a disappointment to me, I won't/can't speak for all of us but this game was really just a big waste of time in telling the story of thedas, your stranded in Kirkwall for the whole ten years, you only play "3" years, if the game is going to make all the choices for you why not just make the plot to dragon age 3 with a prologue of what happened in dragon age 2, the whole Mage Templar angst was built up in origins, the whole game just covered the Mage circle delima that was in origins just longer

"Seven more years of torn pants for Aisle 3!"

Mad if they don't get something; mad if they do.

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

Completely agree, as a fan I would have been happy if it had a good story, to be QA tested, to be enjoyable, and/or to be a successor to Origins. Instead I got some kind of mutated bastard child possessing none of the above qualities, and the corporation that birthed it constantly complimenting it as some kind beauty pageant winner (even rigging the pageant with prefect 10's), and ignoring all those who point out its deformities and the stagnant rotting smell it gives of compared to its predecessor.

Modifié par TOBY FLENDERSON, 26 avril 2011 - 10:35 .

[Elhanan]

TOBY FLENDERSON wrote...

Completely agree, as a fan I would have been happy if it had a good story, to be QA tested, to be enjoyable, and/or to be a successor to Origins. Instead I got some kind of mutated bastard child possessing none of the above qualities, and the corporation that birthed it constantly complimenting it as some kind beauty pageant winner (even rigging the pageant with prefect 10's), and ignoring all those who point out its deformities and the stagnant rotting smell it gives of compared to its predecessor.

Sorry; I got DA2 instead. Hope you kept your receipt away from the whine stains....

[Pandaman102]

Elhanan wrote...

Well, we do determine on how to aquire the gold needed to gain that rise to power. I know this is not what you mean, but it's on my mind for an evil run. And then there is always failure; one must survive to gain those riches. I am not as needy for the more important choices as others; comes from work these past three decades in the hospitality industry, I guess;.

And I appreciate the concern, but my dislike for crowds has been extant for 30+ yrs, too. I would rather leave my cart in an aisle and return later than continue to dodge others in those narrow passages. Could be worse; could have para-Ninja's dropping in waves! And my lack of observation for caves is simply my general inability to notice much of anything, which is really more problematic when failing to notice new hairstyles, loss of weight, and clothing of some co-workers.

Which is fine, you don't have to agree with me, just as long as you can see my complaints aren't unfounded. IF DA2 was made by any other developer (well, except Obsidian, since they also have a reputation for solid stories) I probably wouldn't be complaining at all. It's just disappointing because the story has a lot of potential, Bioware is known for delivering a lot, and EA is charging premium pricing for the game, so I expected a "good Bioware game" rather than the "average game by anyone else" that was delivered.

[Elhanan]

Pandaman102 wrote...

Which is fine, you don't have to agree with me, just as long as you can see my complaints aren't unfounded. IF DA2 was made by any other developer (well, except Obsidian, since they also have a reputation for solid stories) I probably wouldn't be complaining at all. It's just disappointing because the story has a lot of potential, Bioware is known for delivering a lot, and EA is charging premium pricing for the game, so I expected a "good Bioware game" rather than the "average game by anyone else" that was delivered.

I agree that you are entitled to an informed opinion which is different than mine. I also agree that the growing prices of gaming is very concerning and problematic. However, I do not place this at the feet of EA, but certainly hope that  someone there looks into it. Better to sell more units at a lower price than a few at full.

In my own POV, I enjoyed being tossed into the whole Circle problem again, as at least one of my Mage Wardens had obtained freedom for them, or so they thought until DAA. This story was designed for folks like me, as I wanted to help them get away from the Templars.

In addition, I was granted a game so full of stupid Blood Mages that I can see why there is concern. For myself, this has led to a nice, little internal debate among my characters (ie; Rogue and Mage have gone one way; Warrior will take the other). Sadly, none of them care for the romantic choices, but do have hope for future relationships.

I did find DAO more enjoyable overall, but am surprisingly happy at a few changes. Internalized skills seems to work, though I contend all should be able to see traps and open locks with higher Cunning; perhaps at a non-class penalty. The new Talents and Spells may need some tweeks, but so did those in DAO. But I try to judge more by what is in front of me rather than past encounters. If only I could remeber to do that when dating....

Modifié par Elhanan, 27 avril 2011 - 12:13 .

[PSUHammer]

Elhanan wrote...

Shadowbanner wrote...

DA2 in number 8 and falling.

DA:O (ultimate edition) in number 11 after almost 2 years...

One is somewhat new; the other contains every DLC and expansion since Origin. I say: Great! Both help in this current economy.

Haters' hate; tis their nature like vanishing for 7 years before returning for the next plague....

You can't pigeon hole everyone with specific issues of DA2 as "haters".  I certainly won't call you a "fanboy" for saying you have no issues with the game.

Some of us enjoy it but are able to take off our rosey glasses and see it for what it is, with the flaws intact.

[Saintthanksgiving]

The only thing that i liked about DA2 is that its complete lack of a storyline didn't damage anything to the point that DA3 will definitely suck. It certainly COULD suck, but at least it isn't a forgone conclusion. Because Origins was completely ignored, they really couldn't destroy it.

Modifié par Saintthanksgiving, 27 avril 2011 - 02:43 .

[Mad-Max90]

@Elthanan, I'm glad you enjoy it but to try and derail actual arguments with childish statements like "hmm I got Dragon Age 2, I don't know what your playing" well I don't know what you're smoking, the complaints against the game are legit complaints that need to be adressed sooner than later, call me a hater but for what it's worth I'm in the registered game owners just as you are, I had hopes for this game not much I just wanted choices that you make not the designers, it's been done before I don't know why they cut such a big element in RPGs out of the game

[Elhanan]

Hammer6767 wrote...

You can't pigeon hole everyone with specific issues of DA2 as "haters".  I certainly won't call you a "fanboy" for saying you have no issues with the game.

Some of us enjoy it but are able to take off our rosey glasses and see it for what it is, with the flaws intact.

er... I don't, or try not to. There are a few posters I have mixed with this week during a break that have given thoughtful opinions that differ a lot from mine. If I have attached that saying to someone in error, I apologize; not every attachment was made with the previous post in mind.

But after viewing the vile, rude, often empty and highly opinionated posts seen this past month, I wished to say a few things of my own given the parameters of the forums.

And I am a fanboy, I guess. Have not ventured much beyond Bioware games for various reasons, including funds and other misc issues. I can live with that.

Modifié par Elhanan, 27 avril 2011 - 03:14 .

[Elhanan]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

@Elthanan, I'm glad you enjoy it but to try and derail actual arguments with childish statements like "hmm I got Dragon Age 2, I don't know what your playing" well I don't know what you're smoking, the complaints against the game are legit complaints that need to be adressed sooner than later, call me a hater but for what it's worth I'm in the registered game owners just as you are, I had hopes for this game not much I just wanted choices that you make not the designers, it's been done before I don't know why they cut such a big element in RPGs out of the game

Not everyone that differs from my opinion is a Hater. Not everyone that dslikes DA2 is a Hater.

But when I see **** more times than not, the sux phrase, blatant subjective feeling being offered as fact, bias towards another product and/or against this one, and the general pronouncement of glee and hope for the downfall of those that host these free forums =  May be a Hater*
 
*also immature, discourteous, rude, vile, vulgar, moronic, simple, arrogant, entitled, self-centered, and inwardly ugly. And while I am unable toi say so directly, I am more than willing to suggest within the rules of the boards.

FWIW, I don't smoke or drink. And thank you; still playing after a small break.

[Mad-Max90]

If someone legitimately likes origins more than dragon age 2, it's not being biased, but more often than not I see you post as if they hated the sequel from the start of development, the truth is they had false advertising, you can argue all you want about it, but they lied, theybuttered up alot of things that were frankly not even close to being accomplished in the game, such as the rise to power by ANY means necessary, when in the game it was watch this guys rise to power using the same method in all playthroughs

[Elhanan]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

If someone legitimately likes origins more than dragon age 2, it's not being biased, but more often than not I see you post as if they hated the sequel from the start of development, the truth is they had false advertising, you can argue all you want about it, but they lied, theybuttered up alot of things that were frankly not even close to being accomplished in the game, such as the rise to power by ANY means necessary, when in the game it was watch this guys rise to power using the same method in all playthroughs

I am only able to use one eye currently, and seem to be able to be able to read better than some.

I like DAO more than DA2, so I doubt highly that I have charged bias. I used the term earlier in making ref to those that espouse another title, of which I reckon could include DAO, but as I mentioned, I like it too. What I do not like are those of the Walking Brain-Dead that come into another games forums to trash that product while promoting theirs. I am not a moderator, so all I am able to do is call them on it as I am able. I attempt to use humor; try to avoid any direct confrontation, but I am not perfect.

As for the 'lies' of marketing, butter is to be expected, as well as gobs of icing and sprinkles. Their job is to be alluring, and get folks to bite. Personally, I would take the accusation of lies and have some eat that too wrapped in a legal document. but that ain't my job; that is for the legal eagles. Or in this case: trout.

Now back to the OP. Please.

Modifié par Elhanan, 27 avril 2011 - 06:37 .

[PSUHammer]

I can attest to the fact that there are people whom I would catagorize as "haters" that have been posting here.  They actually tend to do more harm than good by constantly bashing the game.

But, my main intent is to voice my concerns and hope that Bioware continues to improve and adapt their products. We buy these games to escape reality a bit for enjoyment. I love their games, so far, and I like DA2. I just want future products to be BETTER.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 28 avril 2011 - 01:24 .

[Roxlimn]

Pandaman102:

Your behavior has done nothing other than to substantiate what I said. If you'd instead asked politely which points I was referring to, you'd have put the lie into the claim. As it is, you've only lent credence to my broad generalization.

FWIW, I'm not defending DA2. I'm pointing out that it's just doing something Bioware's been known to do, not that it was a good choice, or that it shouldn't be improved. I don't have a stake in Bioware stock, and my self-worth isn't tied with what I think DA2 is.

My time on this forum is leisure time. If I stop having fun in the discussion, I stop replying. I highly suggest you do the same.