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[Prophet T.K.G]

What are the differences when you choose one over the other?

[Tpiom]

Bhelen is trying to strengthen Orzammar's connection to the surface - Harrowmont wants to isolate it. Then there's other stuff that I can't talk about because of the no spoilers section. But all of this is rather irrelevant as the true choice is later on.

Modifié par Tpiom, 24 avril 2011 - 09:55 .

[Braindeer]

Harrowmont's generally seen as a "kinder" King...but a bit of a soft touch.

Modifié par Braindeer, 24 avril 2011 - 09:54 .

[Get Magna Carter]

Bhelen - tyrannical but progressive
Harrowmont - well-meaning (but weak) traditionalist

and Bhelen is a sore loser...

[Gangster No.1]

Basically, you choose Harrawmont if you're kind and Bhelen if you're smart. Unless you're playing with a dwarf noble, of course, in which case some unresolved family issues might influence your decision.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

This isn't the no spoilers section I don't know why you think it is.

Bhelen is definitely the better choice, however, regardless if he seems more ruthless and shifty. In fact, those qualities are probably part of the reason why he is better. Bhelen wishes to overthrow centuries of useless and damaging traditions, Harrowmont wants to preserve the failed system.

[Wulfram]

Bhelen you get a nice epilogue, despite him being an idiot in the game.

[rayvioletta]

Bhelen is a bad person but a good king
Harrowmont is a good person but a bad king

[Costin_Razvan]

rayvioletta wrote...

Bhelen is a bad person but a good king
Harrowmont is a good person but a bad king

Sigh...I really hate this line of thought.

Seriously Harrowmont APPEARS to be as a nice guy, it doens't mean he is one!

[PARAGON87]

Let's say it's really hard to support your brother if you're a dwarf noble, but you have to if you know what is best for Orzammar.

[rayvioletta]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

rayvioletta wrote...

Bhelen is a bad person but a good king
Harrowmont is a good person but a bad king

Sigh...I really hate this line of thought.

Seriously Harrowmont APPEARS to be as a nice guy, it doens't mean he is one!

very true but I'm basing it on the evidence we see in game. while we don't really get to know him as well as Bhelen (which is a minor annoyance) there's nothing to suggest that he's a bad person at all. he's a traditionalist who's stuck in his ways but there's nothing wrong with that except for how it effects his leadership. so based on what we know of him he seems to be a good person and a bad king. he might secretly be a drug addict, a serial killer or even worse work for EA (kidding!) but there's nothing to suggest that he is. even Bhelen's 'evidence' against him is a forgery

[Gangster No.1]

Harrowmont is a kind person, but he's too soft to be king. Also, his plans for Orzammar (i.e. to stay secluded) might be a traditional approach, but he misses completely that times have changed. Bhelen, on the other hand, appears to be quite the power-hungry, egomanical tyrannt, but he actually does well as king.

[kglaser]

Harrowmont = Robyn Sachs, who is an awesome voice actor. How can you say no to Zaeed and Spongebob's substitute driving instructor?

---seriously, that's why I picked him. ._.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Prophet T.K.G wrote...

What are the differences when you choose one over the other?

Differences:

Harrowmont and Bhelen will give you slightly different initial quests to prove your loyalty.

Giving Bhelen the crown results in Harrowmont acknowledging his rule, and Bhelen executing him.

Giving Harrowmont the crown results in Bhelen protesting the decision and attempting a coup, in which he and his supporters are killed by you and Harrowmont's supporters.

Whoever you crown, you still get the support of the dwarves for the army against the darkspawn.

Otherwise, the only difference is in the endgame slides.

If Bhelen is king, the epilogue will state he makes Orzammar more progressive (casteless rights, reclaiming thaigs, improving trade), and he eventually dissolves the council and rules alone.

If Harrowmont is king, the epilogue will state he makes Orzammar more isolated from the surface, grows ill, dies, and the dwarves go into another argument over the succession.

There will be additional slides if you preserved the Anvil of the Void, which each king using Branka/golems a different way.

Edit: If you are a Dwarf Commoner, Rica will react differently depending on whether or not you support Bhelen. She will be present at the Coronation at the end of the game no matter your choice, and happy with how things turned out.

(Not sure about DN. Someone else can fill that in, unless we're all too busy arguing who is the nice choice or smart choice or whatever. )

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 28 avril 2011 - 11:54 .

[girofmagic]

I hated this quest! I didn't want any of them to be king. To top it off think I broke the whole situation. Harrowmont is king ,anvil destroyed,Bhelen is dead and Harrowmont is still asking for the second part of his quest about the carta,well they are all dead too.

[digi_ronin]

Agreed. This questline was one of the least engaging in DAO, and neither of the results is really uplifting. Most of all, despite being a strong roleplayer and often sacrificing benefits for doing stuff in-character, I didn't give a rats *ss about either of the two candidates.

The plotwriting was simply not very suited for an RPG. You never get to know any of the two, only their propaganda personas. Also, the fact that you
1) have to struggle to even just MEET either of them
2) then spend weeks to cross half of Fereldens underground for them
3) STILL get no proper/reliable background on them even AFTER the coronation
frustrated me big time.

The result was that I played it cold, read: Chose my side by coin toss and didn't gave a crap who became king - I just wanted the dwarves to get their asses in gear and join the war... and screw them and their politics.

Modifié par digi_ronin, 29 avril 2011 - 11:04 .

[GSSAGE7]

digi_ronin wrote...

Agreed. This questline was one of the least engaging in DAO, and neither of the results is really uplifting. Most of all, despite being a strong roleplayer and often sacrificing benefits for doing stuff in-character, I didn't give a rats *ss about either of the two candidates.

I often RPed my Warden as being constantly annoyed by the politics, taking every chance he gets to say "Okay, good. Can I get my troops and leave now?"

[Get Magna Carter]

I took the mess I left Orzammar in as proof that naive elf-girls should stay out of dwarven politics

[Zaxares]

This was one of the more excruciating decisions I had to make in Origins. I can't STAND Bhelen; dealing with him always leaves me feeling soiled and tainted afterwards. Yet I have to admit that he makes many good changes for Orzammar. Orzammar badly needs to modernize; if the dwarves continue on as they do now, they will simply continue their slow slide into extinction. Giving the casteless further rights in exchange for taking up arms against the darkspawn is a brilliant move, and one which helps address the gross injustice of the dwarven caste system.

Plus, in the end, Bhelen is just one man. Some day, he will be dead and his reign of terror will be over, yet his legacy and the changes he wrought will endure. He is an instrument of change, and as Morrigan put it, "Many people fear change and will fight it with every fiber of their being. But sometimes, change is what people need most. Sometimes, change is what sets people free."

Modifié par Zaxares, 01 mai 2011 - 02:57 .

[genocidal villain]

I have to pick Harrowmont. Why? I prefer not to destroy their traditions, its not my place to judge them. Behlen no way not ever. Play the Dwarf noble origin he pretty much frames your ass which pisses me off and most likely to become a tyrant.

[Ridirkulous]

It's very interesting to see so many people support Behlen. I was always under the impression that Harrowmont was the good choice while playing through that quest. However, I did hear alot of people saying Behlen is the better ruler. I can't agree with that. During the quest Harrowmont is honest with you about his dealings and seems like he'd be the more benevolent leader. Behlen, on the other hand, keeps you in the dark and gets you involved in blackmail, forgery and fraud.

It just seems that Behlen will stop at nothing to get what he wants and that is power. The dwarf has a serious Napoleon complex after living in the shadows of the dwarf noble and Prince Trian. He'll even go as far as to kill them both and quite possibly even his father if it gets him the throne. What is going to stop him once he has that power from trying to claim the surface? I believe it's only a matter of when will it happen as opposed to if. Then I can easily either see the dwarves ushering in the second coming of the Tevinter Imperium (This is not a good thing!) or Behlen driving them right back into ruin.

As for Harrowmont, I don't think he is as bad and  traditional as his detractors say. In the epilogue it claims Harrowmont had troubling getting anything by the assembly. The only movements that had any success with the assembly were the pro-tradition ones. I think Harrowmont tries to do what is right but can't get passed the real problem that is the nobles and deshyrs of the assembly. Behlen just would easily buy them out out or kill them off to get something done. It's just surprising so many people are willing to support a ruthless despot and his secret police just for the good of ol' Orzammar. In fact I thought it be the other way around.

Besides, if dwarven traditions are so bad for equality, what is stopping those dwarves from coming to the surface? They are, for the most part, seen as equals on the surface and can hold honorable jobs. It isn't just tradition holding them back. So in the end this is why I'd support Harrowmont and avoid any short cuts with Behlen. Harrowmont at least tries to make things right. If the nobles want to drive them to ruin so be it. Those who prefer equality and a better standard of life can easily find it topside.