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[TEWR]

I have a question: How are the members of the Triumvirate selected?

Here's what we know about them:

Arigena: One of the Triumvirate, the three pillars/leaders of the Qunari people, leader of the craftsmen.
Arishok: One of the Triumvirate, the three pillars/leaders of the Qunari people, leader of the army.
Ariqun: One of the Triumvirate, the three pillars/leaders of the Qunari people, leader of the priests.

We also know what a Sten is:

Sten: an infantry platoon commander

Should one of the Triumvirate die (like with the Arishok), how is a new one selected? Do the Tamassrans evaluate people from the military and pick the best one suited for the task of Arishok? Is the Arishok just a Sten with more duties and responsibilities?

Basically, in the absence of a leader, do promotions occur from the given fields?

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 25 avril 2011 - 01:00 .

[IanPolaris]

We don't really know (at least yet). However, given the glimpses into Qunari life that we have seen, I would guess (with the emphasis that's only a guess) that when they are children exceptional children being prepared in each aspect of society (Craft, Military, Priest) are groomed specifically to take senior positions in that heirarchy as they open up. So I would guess that a Qunari soldier doesn't automatically rise up through the ranks. Rather, a Qunari based on his aptitude is selected for advancement in what he does best....so Sten would have been trained from the start with an eye towards small unit and medium unit tactics, Arvaraad would have experience dealing with Sarabaas from a very young age etc.

Again, my two coppers for what it's worth.

-Polaris

[KnightofPhoenix]

Mary Kirby confirmed that there are promotions within each caste. The Arishok is not selected or bred at 12 to be an Arishok. They are promoted.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 25 avril 2011 - 05:19 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Logic dictates that 'our' Sten will replace the 'current' Arishok, should the latter have died in your game. Which is something I'm looking forward to.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 25 avril 2011 - 05:17 .

[PsychoBlonde]

If you get Sten's banter with Zevran in Origins, Sten seems to consider it amusing that someone would think assassinating high-ranking Qunari officials would destabilize their system. Probably there's a designated successor (perhaps the most senior person in the next rank down) who immediately steps in. Since, under the Qun, anything that isn't required is forbidden, pretty much (meaning that *what* you do in any given situation is pretty much spelled out for you in advance, although there may be some latitude in how you carry out your duties), there is likely very little overall difference between one "administration" and another. The apparatus remains and continues. The particular officeholders aren't especially important.

Granted, you could still use this as a viable tactic, you'd just have to hit a large portion of their high-ranking officers until all they had left were relatively inexperienced lowbies. Then you could start in with some weirdass psychological warfare tactics that said inexperienced lowbies would very likely stumble over just due to their inexperience. But you couldn't pull off the kind of surgical strike that would be all that was necessary to destabilize most of the human countries in the game.

The Qunari system isn't likely much different from the laid-out succession system in the U.S. government, btw. The U.S. has had plenty of times when the President was assassinated or we weren't sure who the new President WAS due to a dicey election. Result: a lot of bickering and news media pundits having a field day. Actual material result: pretty much nothing. No riots. No eruptions into violence as the various ideological groups struggle to grab power.

It'd be interesting to see if the Qunari are rather political in a quiet sort of way. Depending on how their various selection processes work, they may lend themselves to complex political machinations, made all the more complex because you're not allowed to actually say things like "you know I deserve this promotion" and so forth. (That would be prideful, which the Qunari consider improper at best and probably downright immoral at worst.) Add to this the fact that many people may not particularly WANT to get promoted--you get more responsibility and a heavier workload but probably not much in the way of real perks.

[TEWR]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Mary Kirby confirmed that there are promotions within each caste. The Arishok is not selected or bred at 12 to be an Arishok. They are promoted.

*does his happy dance of happiness while giving a thumbs up and making this face *


Now I'm happy because that means logically Sten would be the ideal new Arishok.

[Augustei]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Mary Kirby confirmed that there are promotions within each caste. The Arishok is not selected or bred at 12 to be an Arishok. They are promoted.

*does his happy dance of happiness while giving a thumbs up and making this face *


Now I'm happy because that means logically Sten would be the ideal new Arishok.

hate to burst your bubble... But he isn't lol. The Lack of horns means he will be appointed a position relating to foreigners and primarily anything not of the Qunari Race like a Ambassador or something.. Maybe leader of foreign occupied zones. He's the guy that will attend things like the Llomeryn accord signing on behalf of an Arishok. He would lead low profile missions like he did in Ferelden perhaps on a bigger scale

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 25 avril 2011 - 08:32 .

[AlexXIV]

XxDeonxX wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Mary Kirby confirmed that there are promotions within each caste. The Arishok is not selected or bred at 12 to be an Arishok. They are promoted.

*does his happy dance of happiness while giving a thumbs up and making this face *


Now I'm happy because that means logically Sten would be the ideal new Arishok.

hate to burst your bubble... But he isn't lol. The Lack of horns means he will be appointed a position relating to foreigners and primarily anything not of the Qunari Race like a Ambassador or something.. Maybe leader of foreign occupied zones. He's the guy that will attend things like the Llomeryn accord signing on behalf of an Arishok. He would lead low profile missions like he did in Ferelden perhaps on a bigger scale

It was pretty obvious that the Arishok was the one with the biggest horns. So I guess that's what counts.

[Augustei]

AlexXIV wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Mary Kirby confirmed that there are promotions within each caste. The Arishok is not selected or bred at 12 to be an Arishok. They are promoted.

*does his happy dance of happiness while giving a thumbs up and making this face *


Now I'm happy because that means logically Sten would be the ideal new Arishok.

hate to burst your bubble... But he isn't lol. The Lack of horns means he will be appointed a position relating to foreigners and primarily anything not of the Qunari Race like a Ambassador or something.. Maybe leader of foreign occupied zones. He's the guy that will attend things like the Llomeryn accord signing on behalf of an Arishok. He would lead low profile missions like he did in Ferelden perhaps on a bigger scale

It was pretty obvious that the Arishok was the one with the biggest horns. So I guess that's what counts.

Exactly =P

[AlexXIV]

Filament wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Logic dictates that 'our' Sten will replace the 'current' Arishok, should the latter have died in your game. Which is something I'm looking forward to.

But what if I killed Sten too?

Hmph, I guess you can't. Man, this Origins game sucks, no real choices at all.

In Origins you can kill yourself in the ultimate sacrifice. Where in DA2 can you do that?

[blothulfur]

Considering most of Thedas seems to operate on a feudal system where you are fairly much locked into your role at birth and allowed very limited social advancement (obviously there are exceptions like William Marshall), it could be argued that the qunari in being limited only by ability and determination are one of the only free peoples of Thedas.

Ferelden freemen we don't really know enough about and it is extremely rare to see a dwarf become a Paragon.

[Inzhuna]

I wonder if Arishok ever got to hear Sten's report about the blight, or he already left before Sten came back.

[ACdeakial]

i wonder if they could cut the horns off the arishok and make sten a pretty helmet/crown, and say "you stopped a blight, now lead our armies"
or maybe a sareebas has a spell to give sten horns, who knows, sten coulod be the arishok one day, despite his lack of horns, if the writers find they want this, they will make it happen. they're like the mirror in the black emporium, they can alter history in dragon age universe....

[TobiTobsen]

XxDeonxX wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Mary Kirby confirmed that there are promotions within each caste. The Arishok is not selected or bred at 12 to be an Arishok. They are promoted.

*does his happy dance of happiness while giving a thumbs up and making this face *


Now I'm happy because that means logically Sten would be the ideal new Arishok.

hate to burst your bubble... But he isn't lol. The Lack of horns means he will be appointed a position relating to foreigners and primarily anything not of the Qunari Race like a Ambassador or something.. Maybe leader of foreign occupied zones. He's the guy that will attend things like the Llomeryn accord signing on behalf of an Arishok. He would lead low profile missions like he did in Ferelden perhaps on a bigger scale

If I didn't misunderstood the whole "No horn" stuff, than that just means that a Kossith is meant for great things in the Qun. Not that he only can work for the Beresaad, Ben-Hassrath or as an envoy. Otherwise they would have a problem to integrate females without horns

[nightscrawl]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Logic dictates that 'our' Sten will replace the 'current' Arishok, should the latter have died in your game. Which is something I'm looking forward to.

Why are some of you fixating on DAO Sten as the new Arishok? Throughout DA2 Qunari fight encounters we see several Sten. Why would you think that DAO Sten is the one who gets a promotion, instead of some other Sten?

[TobiTobsen]

nightscrawl wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Logic dictates that 'our' Sten will replace the 'current' Arishok, should the latter have died in your game. Which is something I'm looking forward to.

Why are some of you fixating on DAO Sten as the new Arishok? Throughout DA2 Qunari fight encounters we see several Sten. Why would you think that DAO Sten is the one who gets a promotion, instead of some other Sten?

Because he has no horns. No horns = meant for great things. Being Arishok = Great thing.



Edit: Also the logic of game design works that way. The next leader is always someone we know. Just look at the krogans and Wrex.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 25 avril 2011 - 10:07 .

[ACdeakial]

yeh, and sten defeated the blight, or helped, provided you didnt let him be eaten or kill him, so if he returns to seheron, he will find no arishok, or he will find arishok, and have an answer to the question, as well as being the sole survivor of his group.
but here's another question, is there just the one arishok, or are there 2/3 spread out on the islands? or do they simply send messengers across the islands to give orders?

[Augustei]

TobiTobsen wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Mary Kirby confirmed that there are promotions within each caste. The Arishok is not selected or bred at 12 to be an Arishok. They are promoted.

*does his happy dance of happiness while giving a thumbs up and making this face *


Now I'm happy because that means logically Sten would be the ideal new Arishok.

hate to burst your bubble... But he isn't lol. The Lack of horns means he will be appointed a position relating to foreigners and primarily anything not of the Qunari Race like a Ambassador or something.. Maybe leader of foreign occupied zones. He's the guy that will attend things like the Llomeryn accord signing on behalf of an Arishok. He would lead low profile missions like he did in Ferelden perhaps on a bigger scale

If I didn't misunderstood the whole "No horn" stuff, than that just means that a Kossith is meant for great things in the Qun. Not that he only can work for the Beresaad, Ben-Hassrath or as an envoy. Otherwise they would have a problem to integrate females without horns

Yeah but the Qunari would place him in a role that would most benefit their society and the qun, He would be most beneficial in a role like a described - As they view it as such, not to mention that Hornless Qunari aren't exactly everywhere to be found

[Augustei]

ACdeadpool731 wrote...

yeh, and sten defeated the blight, or helped, provided you didnt let him be eaten or kill him, so if he returns to seheron, he will find no arishok, or he will find arishok, and have an answer to the question, as well as being the sole survivor of his group.
but here's another question, is there just the one arishok, or are there 2/3 spread out on the islands? or do they simply send messengers across the islands to give orders?

There is one, but the one that sent Sten to Ferelden and gave him his orders and was curious about the blight is not the same Arishok in DA2. Idk if most Qunari would care about the blight to a great degree atm so his missions priority might have died with his previous Commander

[TobiTobsen]

XxDeonxX wrote...

ACdeadpool731 wrote...

yeh, and sten defeated the blight, or helped, provided you didnt let him be eaten or kill him, so if he returns to seheron, he will find no arishok, or he will find arishok, and have an answer to the question, as well as being the sole survivor of his group.
but here's another question, is there just the one arishok, or are there 2/3 spread out on the islands? or do they simply send messengers across the islands to give orders?

There is one, but the one that sent Sten to Ferelden and gave him his orders and was curious about the blight is not the same Arishok in DA2. Idk if most Qunari would care about the blight to a great degree atm so his missions priority might have died with his previous Commander

He isn't? Where do we learn that? I must have missed that

[General User]

AlexXIV wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Mary Kirby confirmed that there are promotions within each caste. The Arishok is not selected or bred at 12 to be an Arishok. They are promoted.

*does his happy dance of happiness while giving a thumbs up and making this face *


Now I'm happy because that means logically Sten would be the ideal new Arishok.

hate to burst your bubble... But he isn't lol. The Lack of horns means he will be appointed a position relating to foreigners and primarily anything not of the Qunari Race like a Ambassador or something.. Maybe leader of foreign occupied zones. He's the guy that will attend things like the Llomeryn accord signing on behalf of an Arishok. He would lead low profile missions like he did in Ferelden perhaps on a bigger scale

It was pretty obvious that the Arishok was the one with the biggest horns. So I guess that's what counts.

Given the Qunari predilection for assigning people a job based on physical traits, I would only be half-surprised if this was true!

[ACdeakial]

TobiTobsen wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

ACdeadpool731 wrote...

yeh, and sten defeated the blight, or helped, provided you didnt let him be eaten or kill him, so if he returns to seheron, he will find no arishok, or he will find arishok, and have an answer to the question, as well as being the sole survivor of his group.
but here's another question, is there just the one arishok, or are there 2/3 spread out on the islands? or do they simply send messengers across the islands to give orders?

There is one, but the one that sent Sten to Ferelden and gave him his orders and was curious about the blight is not the same Arishok in DA2. Idk if most Qunari would care about the blight to a great degree atm so his missions priority might have died with his previous Commander

He isn't? Where do we learn that? I must have missed that

    I agree, I don't remember hearing anything about the arishok in da2 being a successor, all I heard was "Par Vollen this, Par Vollen that, I have very large horns, go me!" The Arishok in DA2 was adament about getting the book and getting back to Par Vollen, but Sten in DAO was more about getting his sword, then getting back to Seheron, I think, which makes me think maybe there are more than just the one Arishok, maybe there's a Triumvirate at each of their capital's. After all they do have two, so why can't their be more than one, it must be a hard day's work for the Arishok to command all the armies of the qun.
   As far as we know, the darkspawn have been grabbing qunari women for some time, so maybe Seheron has a deep roads connection while Par Vollen doesn't, hence the Seheron Arishok's interest in the Blight.

XxDeonxX wrote... 
     "Idk if most Qunari would care about the blight to a great degree atm so
his missions priority might have died with his previous Commander"

  Just remember what Sten says to that in DAO, the blight affects everyone, if left unchecked, it will surely reach the qunari territories. I'm thinking it's like the chimera spreading to GB in Rfom, they'll just burrow under the sea.
  And besides, the blight hasn't been over long since he got shipwrecked.