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[Wrathra]

I wish my mage had the city devastating WMD powers that so many people say mages have. would make killing those endless waves of ninja bandits easier, anyway. My mage was kind of a wimp, all things considered.   Get a couple of rogues to one shot them, and problem solved (i kid, i kid).

Anyway, the rite of annulment destroys the entire circle and everyone in it. That's why its a last resort.

Modifié par Wrathra, 26 avril 2011 - 02:11 .

[Ollymandias]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

If abominations were so gosh darn dangerous, how has Tevinter survived so long? How did they once have an empire across Thedas without keeping a tight leash on all their mages? It seems to me that situations similar to Connor or Merediths sister are extremely rare. There will always be apostates in a society that isn't extremely restrictive like the Qun. There will always be that danger of the big evil abomination that massacres many innocents. Mages are locked up because people fear something like the Imperium happening again.

Just one other thing I noticed, both Connor and Merediths sister were kept sheltered from the circle without proper training for fear of losing them. There has to be a better solution than either binding them to Templar jurisdiction for life or them becoming magisters.

The Chantry says that having free-range mages lead to tyranny, and to rampaging abominations.  

The Tevinter Imperium is the poster child they use for tyranny.  And yes, from what we know they have a horrible society and bad culture.  

But what about the Dalish?  The only oppression they are living under is human oppression, when they have their own mages not only running free in their clans but running the show.  The odd abomination seems to be something they have a procedure for dealing with and doesn't get out of control.

What about the Rivaini?  They have witches shambling about all over the peninsula, selling lucky heather and putting the evil eye on people.  Still, the worst tyranny the Rivaini have known in recent centuries is after being invaded by Qunari.

I'm not saying that free-range mages is the way to go, but I do think that the Chantry is fearmongering something shameful.

Everyone dies in an annullment?

What about the mages who are outside the tower on field research or service or for military purposes?  If, say, Inez the Botanist had been working outside the tower at the time of the Uldred incident, would she be called back to the tower for execution even though she had been away during the whole problem?  What about exchange students from other Circles?  

[Iosev]

Plaintiff wrote...

tausra wrote...

Where do you conjure the idea of sexual predation?

"Once you're tranquil, you'll do anything I ask."

Beatings and rapes can occur in any environment. The templars are taught to hate mages, to believe that they are less than human, and then they are given ultimate power of life and death over them. The potential for abuse is so overwhelmingly obvious that it would be reasonable to expect rape to occur, even without the several hints made in-game.

When I think of the templar abuse, I'm reminded of the Stanford Prison Experiment and how even normal people, put into positions as "guards" or "prisoners", can commit or submit, respectively, to abuses.

Modifié par arcelonious, 26 avril 2011 - 02:17 .

[thesuperdarkone]

arcelonious wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

tausra wrote...

Where do you conjure the idea of sexual predation?

"Once you're tranquil, you'll do anything I ask."

Beatings and rapes can occur in any environment. The templars are taught to hate mages, to believe that they are less than human, and then they are given ultimate power of life and death over them. The potential for abuse is so overwhelmingly obvious that it would be reasonable to expect rape to occur, even without the several hints made in-game.

When I think of the templar abuse, I'm reminded of the Stanford Prison Experiment and how even normal people, put into positions as "guards" or "prisoners", can commit or submit, respectively, to abuses.

 

Just goes to show you that power corrupts anyone, regardless of whether they are the pinnacle of innocence.

[Iosev]

thesuperdarkone wrote...

arcelonious wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

tausra wrote...

Where do you conjure the idea of sexual predation?

"Once you're tranquil, you'll do anything I ask."

Beatings and rapes can occur in any environment. The templars are taught to hate mages, to believe that they are less than human, and then they are given ultimate power of life and death over them. The potential for abuse is so overwhelmingly obvious that it would be reasonable to expect rape to occur, even without the several hints made in-game.

When I think of the templar abuse, I'm reminded of the Stanford Prison Experiment and how even normal people, put into positions as "guards" or "prisoners", can commit or submit, respectively, to abuses.

 

Just goes to show you that power corrupts anyone, regardless of whether they are the pinnacle of innocence.

Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of how the experiment demonstrated the impressionability and obedience of people when provided with a legitimizing ideology (in DA, that would be templar control over magi) and social and institutional support (in DA, the Chantry).

Modifié par arcelonious, 26 avril 2011 - 02:42 .

[Dave of Canada]

"Don't judge mages by the actions of the few!"

I hear that a lot, though I'd be more willing to consider it if those same people didn't turn around and do the same to the Templar.

[Rifneno]

Dave of Canada wrote...

"Don't judge mages by the actions of the few!"

I hear that a lot, though I'd be more willing to consider it if those same people didn't turn around and do the same to the Templar.

So two wrongs make a right now?  When did they change that?

Natch, you're missing the fact that becoming a templar is a conscious decision to join a military order that's oppressing and fearmongering.  They can also quit if they wish, though they're stuck with the lyrium addiction they kind of knew that going in.  No one chooses to be a mage, and no one can choose not to be a mage (at least not without destroying their soul in the rite of tranquility).  Comparing a minority that shares a genetic trait with a military order is stupid.

[Iosev]

Dave of Canada wrote...

"Don't judge mages by the actions of the few!"

I hear that a lot, though I'd be more willing to consider it if those same people didn't turn around and do the same to the Templar.

The problem is that we're discussing the annulment, which is the systematic killing of every mage within a circle.  I have yet to see someone on these boards advocate the systematic killing of all the templars because of the crimes of a few.

Modifié par arcelonious, 26 avril 2011 - 04:04 .