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[Myusha]

Alright. The Wardens are on a grand mission to accomplish in the Deep Roads correct, retracing your steps during the expedition. This starts the quest "Finding Nathaniel". Upon finding Nathaniel, after having Delilah telling you how long they've been down there, you help him.

Eventually you find your sibling in the Deep Roads if they are a warden at this point.

However in "Best Served Cold" Your sibling is taken hostage and you have to save them.

So if you complete "Best Served Cold" before "Finding Nathaniel"...
Your sibling was plucked right from the Deep Roads and danger, into the hands of plotting Mages and Templars, and then thrust back into the Deep Roads at the right oppurtunity.

But if you complete "Finding Nathaniel" before "Best Served Cold"
Your sibling got to see day light thanks to you, only to be snatched away from getting to the surface moments before you, to be held for ransom.

Yay.

Modifié par Myusha, 25 avril 2011 - 07:09 .

[LobselVith8]

Considering the Warden meets Anders in Amaranthine roughly six months after the Blight ended and Hawke meets Anders a year after the destruction of Lothering, there's more than one issue with the timeline in this game.

[Myusha]

That one is explained by how long it takes to Gwaren, which is presumably six or more months, and considering Lothering is destroyed by the time the Warden gets at least ONE Ally....

[LobselVith8]

Myusha wrote...

That one is explained by how long it takes to Gwaren, which is presumably six or more months, and considering Lothering is destroyed by the time the Warden gets at least ONE Ally....

If it took six months to get to Gwaren, how did the Warden kill Flemeth if she was escorting Hawke to Gwaren at the same time?

[Myusha]

Then maybe it didn't have to take six months. Maybe a few, and getting a ship took a while, and maybe some coin. And Flemeth's tricky. Technically if you didn't kill her in DAO she's in two places at once by the time you start the Deep Roads Expedition. Who knows if she hadn't already had more of herself waiting? XD

[Plaintiff]

Actually I'm pretty sure that regardless of when you do it, Bethany and Carver both say that they were taken from their rooms. Although where there rooms are when they're Gray Wardens, I have no idea.

[Augustei]

Plaintiff wrote...

Actually I'm pretty sure that regardless of when you do it, Bethany and Carver both say that they were taken from their rooms. Although where there rooms are when they're Gray Wardens, I have no idea.

Well the Grey Wardens dont have a base in Kirkwall according to Anders, so im guessing their rooms are at an inn - maybe even the Hanged Man

[LobselVith8]

Myusha wrote...

Then maybe it didn't have to take six months. Maybe a few, and getting a ship took a while, and maybe some coin. And Flemeth's tricky. Technically if you didn't kill her in DAO she's in two places at once by the time you start the Deep Roads Expedition. Who knows if she hadn't already had more of herself waiting? XD

Considering Oghren's six month miracle baby, it just seems like another timeline error. I suppose we should simply concede that "a wizard did it."

[Augustei]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Considering the Warden meets Anders in Amaranthine roughly six months after the Blight ended and Hawke meets Anders a year after the destruction of Lothering, there's more than one issue with the timeline in this game.

Meet Anders 6 months after the blight? Dont you become Commander of the Grey like a few weeks or a month after the blight? and the events of Awakening apparently last about 6 months so thats 7 months thereabouts. With the whole Travelling with Leliana or going to highever never happening / not happening until after witch hunt

We meet Anders sometime within a year after the blight, we could meet him late in that year giving us 5 months left over =D

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 25 avril 2011 - 08:39 .

[LobselVith8]

It's addressed in the summary of Awakening, XxDeonxX:

"The events of Awakening begin six months after the conclusion of Dragon Age: Origins. The player takes on the role of a Grey Warden commander, who is either an imported character from Origins or a new Warden from Orlais. The Orlesian Warden is treated differently because of the history between Orlais and Ferelden—and because an imported Warden will be renowned to begin with, having killed an archdemon almost single-handedly in Origins."

[AlexXIV]

Well the timeline is off. You don't even need to count days or weeks or months. Just don't take any time reference serious. Maybe the whole story of DA2 wasn't 10 years, but only 3. Or maybe a couple of weeks. We will never know I guess.

[Viyu]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Myusha wrote...

Then
maybe it didn't have to take six months. Maybe a few, and getting a ship
took a while, and maybe some coin. And Flemeth's tricky. Technically if
you didn't kill her in DAO she's in two places at once by the time you
start the Deep Roads Expedition. Who knows if she hadn't already had
more of herself waiting? XD

Considering Oghren's six
month miracle baby, it just seems like another timeline error. I suppose
we should simply concede that "a wizard did it."

LOL. Can't babies technically be born 3 months premature though?

Modifié par Viyu, 25 avril 2011 - 10:45 .

[Vilegrim]

Viyu wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Myusha wrote...

Then
maybe it didn't have to take six months. Maybe a few, and getting a ship
took a while, and maybe some coin. And Flemeth's tricky. Technically if
you didn't kill her in DAO she's in two places at once by the time you
start the Deep Roads Expedition. Who knows if she hadn't already had
more of herself waiting? XD

Considering Oghren's six
month miracle baby, it just seems like another timeline error. I suppose
we should simply concede that "a wizard did it."

LOL. Can't babies technically be born 3 months premature though?

yes, but survival chances are slim at best. Even with modern medicine.

[Viyu]

I knew you'd say that, hahaha.... Still, they'd probably play up the "well it's possible even though it isn't likely" card. Especially since they use magic to replace the neccessity of modern medicine. ;p

Modifié par Viyu, 25 avril 2011 - 11:27 .

[ejoslin]

Who said that dwarven gestation is 9 months? If I had to guess, it's quite a bit shorter than that given the DN/DC Origin stories.

[mousestalker]

I wouldn't think it would take all that long to heat pink or blue rocks in lava.

[Viyu]

ejoslin wrote...

Who said that dwarven gestation is 9 months? If I had to guess, it's quite a bit shorter than that given the DN/DC Origin stories.

I'm trying to think how long it took for Bhelen's son to be born? Not long IIRC.

[Jerryk72]

Myusha wrote...

Alright. The Wardens are on a grand mission to accomplish in the Deep Roads correct, retracing your steps during the expedition. This starts the quest "Finding Nathaniel". Upon finding Nathaniel, after having Delilah telling you how long they've been down there, you help him.

Eventually you find your sibling in the Deep Roads if they are a warden at this point.

However in "Best Served Cold" Your sibling is taken hostage and you have to save them.

So if you complete "Best Served Cold" before "Finding Nathaniel"...
Your sibling was plucked right from the Deep Roads and danger, into the hands of plotting Mages and Templars, and then thrust back into the Deep Roads at the right oppurtunity.

But if you complete "Finding Nathaniel" before "Best Served Cold"
Your sibling got to see day light thanks to you, only to be snatched away from getting to the surface moments before you, to be held for ransom.

Yay.

Did you do this or are you just speculating what you think might happen??  My first playthrough of the game they kidnapped Isabella. So perhaps if you haven't finished "Finding Nathaniel" before you complete "Best Served Cold" the person kidnapped is actually your Love Interest instead of your sister/brother?

Perhaps its a bug that they will address at some point like the Zevran situation?

[Alex Kershaw]

Myusha wrote...

That one is explained by how long it takes to Gwaren, which is presumably six or more months, and considering Lothering is destroyed by the time the Warden gets at least ONE Ally....

Anders has to get to Kirkwall too.

[Alex Kershaw]

XxDeonxX wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Considering the Warden meets Anders in Amaranthine roughly six months after the Blight ended and Hawke meets Anders a year after the destruction of Lothering, there's more than one issue with the timeline in this game.

Meet Anders 6 months after the blight? Dont you become Commander of the Grey like a few weeks or a month after the blight? and the events of Awakening apparently last about 6 months so thats 7 months thereabouts. With the whole Travelling with Leliana or going to highever never happening / not happening until after witch hunt

We meet Anders sometime within a year after the blight, we could meet him late in that year giving us 5 months left over =D

Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. It IS 6 months after the blight, and you've assumed the blight lasts 0 days.

[Alex Kershaw]

Jerryk72 wrote...

Myusha wrote...

Alright. The Wardens are on a grand mission to accomplish in the Deep Roads correct, retracing your steps during the expedition. This starts the quest "Finding Nathaniel". Upon finding Nathaniel, after having Delilah telling you how long they've been down there, you help him.

Eventually you find your sibling in the Deep Roads if they are a warden at this point.

However in "Best Served Cold" Your sibling is taken hostage and you have to save them.

So if you complete "Best Served Cold" before "Finding Nathaniel"...
Your sibling was plucked right from the Deep Roads and danger, into the hands of plotting Mages and Templars, and then thrust back into the Deep Roads at the right oppurtunity.

But if you complete "Finding Nathaniel" before "Best Served Cold"
Your sibling got to see day light thanks to you, only to be snatched away from getting to the surface moments before you, to be held for ransom.

Yay.

Did you do this or are you just speculating what you think might happen??  My first playthrough of the game they kidnapped Isabella. So perhaps if you haven't finished "Finding Nathaniel" before you complete "Best Served Cold" the person kidnapped is actually your Love Interest instead of your sister/brother?

Perhaps its a bug that they will address at some point like the Zevran situation?

I believe it's only LI if sibling is dead

[Ulicus]

Myusha wrote...

Alright. The Wardens are on a grand mission to accomplish in the Deep Roads correct, retracing your steps during the expedition. This starts the quest "Finding Nathaniel". Upon finding Nathaniel, after having Delilah telling you how long they've been down there, you help him.

Eventually you find your sibling in the Deep Roads if they are a warden at this point.

However in "Best Served Cold" Your sibling is taken hostage and you have to save them.

So if you complete "Best Served Cold" before "Finding Nathaniel"...
Your sibling was plucked right from the Deep Roads and danger, into the hands of plotting Mages and Templars, and then thrust back into the Deep Roads at the right oppurtunity.

But if you complete "Finding Nathaniel" before "Best Served Cold"
Your sibling got to see day light thanks to you, only to be snatched away from getting to the surface moments before you, to be held for ransom.

Yay.

Am I really the only person who doesn't assume my personal order of completion is necessarily the order in which events actually occured? Seriously. It's like with the romances. I don't think Isabela would have never visited Hawke's estate in three years, either... so I assume that scene happened during the timeskip.

These kind of timeline issues only exist if you want them to, really.

Especially when we've got the framed narrative  to fall back on.

Varric: Oh, wait, I forgot to mention this bit earlier...

As for the actual timeline issues:

Lothering probably fell two months or so into the Blight. Varric says it takes Hawke and Co. two weeks to cross the *Waking Sea* (or rather that he spends two weeks in the hold, so there's even more wiggle room  ). That doesn't include the time they would have inevitably spent stuck in Gwaren waiting to a get a ship with room. Hell, for all we know Hawke and Sibling. may have had to do freelance work to amass enough coin there, too. Then there's the time they'd have spent on the Frozen Seas and Amaranthine ocean. So, yeah, at least six months of the Blight probably had passed by the time they were in Kirkwall.

So it isn't as bad as people are making it seem.

Modifié par Ulicus, 25 avril 2011 - 10:16 .

[LobselVith8]

Ulicus wrote...

Am I really the only person who doesn't assume my personal order of completion is necessarily the order in which events actually occured? Seriously. It's like with the romances. I don't think Isabela would have never visited Hawke's estate in three years, either... so I assume that scene happened during the timeskip.

The romances make more sense if we assume they happened over a period of times as opposed to within an hour (like the Merrill romance, for instance), so I agree, Ulicus. However, the chronological issues with Anders in Kirkwall the same time he's supposed to be Amaranthine are more of an issue. They are as much of an issue as Felsi getting pregnant (despite dwarven difficulty in conception) and having a newborn baby within the span of six months, or how Anders and Justice supposedly met if Anders was never recruited and if Justice was left in the Blackmarsh or killed either in Vigil's Keep or by the Warden in the Dragonbone Wastes.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 25 avril 2011 - 10:34 .

[Fast Jimmy]

In Thedas, there are 24 month years. They don't use a 12 month calendar like we do.


BAM! I just made up a way for this to totally make sense. And I didn't even break a sweat.

[Ulicus]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

In Thedas, there are 24 month years. They don't use a 12 month calendar like we do.


BAM! I just made up a way for this to totally make sense. And I didn't even break a sweat.

I'd be all for it if not for the codex entry saying otherwise.

And, damn, Loghain's generation would be oooooold.

Modifié par Ulicus, 25 avril 2011 - 10:22 .