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[LobselVith8]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

where's this mentioned in the game? I don't remember ever hearing that.

Wynne only says this to the Grey Warden from the Circle of Magi because she's relating that it's been a year since he (or she) left the Circle Tower, which could explain why your Dwarven Warden didn't hear it.

[Avissel]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I just looked over the DA wiki, and they have a comprehensive list of all Wynne dialogue given in the game, and it's not there. I don't think she mentions it. I've never had it happen, and I switch out my party all the time to hear all banter. I even did this on my mage playthrough and she never said it.

She mentions it, I heard it myself. If you'll notice, the majority of the wikis list of conversation trees consists only of the Warden's side of the conversation.

I'm pretty sure it's during one of the diaouges where you can ask her about the Circle, since you should know about it since you lived there, they play it off by having her say you've been gone for awhile.

[Viyu]

And considering the high context of the conversation, it's no wonder I'm having trouble finding it on youtube. But if that is the case, which 2 people are accounting it is, then this is a bigger plothole than I thought.

Modifié par Viyu, 26 avril 2011 - 06:49 .

[Avissel]

The joys of a nebulous time line.

[TEWR]

LobselVith8 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

where's this mentioned in the game? I don't remember ever hearing that.

Wynne only says this to the Grey Warden from the Circle of Magi because she's relating that it's been a year since he (or she) left the Circle Tower, which could explain why your Dwarven Warden didn't hear it.

except this didn't happen with my Mage Warden either.

[Viyu]

[Avissel]

Don't know what to tell you, I distinctly remember her saying that line. Maybe you didn't pick the right option that gets that reply?

[TEWR]

maybe. Who knows.

But since conversations can be triggered at anytime, that could be attributed to fitting around the closing parts of DA:O. It's not like it's a plothole or anything. The timeline of Awakening to Origins is for the most part because all we have to go on is 6 months after the Archdemon's death, which David Gaider seemed to imply was not the actual timeframe

[Viyu]

I'm noticing more reports of the Wynne conversation in other forums besides here.

http://s15.zetaboard...opic/6884481/1/

http://www.gamefaqs....88966-/58587236

It's also on TVTropes.  http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:AH0AiKonu6kJ:tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DragonAge+Wynne+a+year+since+you+left+the+circle&cd=13&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

Modifié par Viyu, 26 avril 2011 - 07:18 .

[The Angry One]

My theory involves flying Deloreans.

[Viyu]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

maybe. Who knows.

But since conversations can be triggered at anytime, that could be attributed to fitting around the closing parts of DA:O. It's not like it's a plothole or anything. The timeline of Awakening to Origins is for the most part because all we have to go on is 6 months after the Archdemon's death, which David Gaider seemed to imply was not the actual timeframe

Yeah but wouldn't Hawke's servitude been well around by the end of dragon age then? Wait--urgh, dammit...

[Avissel]

But you need plutonium in order to generate the 1.21 gigawatts!

[TEWR]

Viyu wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

maybe. Who knows.

But since conversations can be triggered at anytime, that could be attributed to fitting around the closing parts of DA:O. It's not like it's a plothole or anything. The timeline of Awakening to Origins is for the most part because all we have to go on is 6 months after the Archdemon's death, which David Gaider seemed to imply was not the actual timeframe

Yeah but wouldn't Hawke's servitude been well around by the end of dragon age then? Wait--urgh, dammit...

nope. here let me bring the timeline I made back here for easier reference

The best way I figure the timeline is something like this:

• 2 months into the Warden's adventure - Fall of Ostagar and Destruction of Lothering
  
• 6-8 more months pass, where the Warden now has all of his allies and is about to call the Landsmeet. Meanwhile, Hawke travels to Gwaren in those 6-8 months alongside Flemeth, whom afterwards awaits the Warden. Hawke takes a ship bound for Kirkwall, which I'd wager takes 1 week to 2 weeks. Add into that an additional 3 days waiting for Gamlen. His year of servitude then begins.
  
• 2 months - Landsmeet concludes and between travel to Denerim and Redcliffe, the Archdemon is slain. Wynne makes note of how a year (or almost a year) has passed.
  
• Awakening then starts after maybe 2 weeks pass from the Archdemon's death.
  
• All of Awakening takes place over a course of maybe 6 months at most.
  
• Anders stays for two more months, but leaves for Kirkwall soon after (Amaranthine is closer to Gwaren than Lothering is). At this point, Hawke still has a few months of servitude left.
  
• After Hawke's year ends, he now tries to prepare for the Deep Roads. I'd wager that takes place over the course of a month or two, having to do odd jobs from here and there (not counting the 2 weeks spent in the Deep Roads)
  
• GoA takes place maybe between 1 month - 3 months after Anders leaves
  
• I doubt Witch Hunt takes place two and a half years after the Archdemon's death though. Where it falls I don't know

Assuming that this is the most accurate idea of the timeline, I put Wynne's comment on a year passing in the Archdemon battle.

[Viyu]

Edit: hang on a second I think I got you.

Modifié par Viyu, 26 avril 2011 - 08:02 .

[TEWR]

Cool.

I don't see any reason though why we can't know the official timeline. Unless they don't even know it. In which case, I'm a sad panda.

[Viyu]

Wait though if she says that after Ostagar then what does that mean? Hang on, maybe it'll come to me...

Modifié par Viyu, 26 avril 2011 - 08:13 .

[TEWR]

If you talk to her immediately after Ostagar and she says it then, that really doesn't upset the timeline. That's just the player rushing the dialogue.

[Viyu]

I'm pretty sure that couldn't immediately happen until you got back to the circle though... Oh God I just think I got confused again.

[TEWR]

Viyu wrote...

I'm pretty sure that couldn't immediately happen until you got back to the circle though... Oh God I just think I got confused again.

oops, I meant immediately after Broken Circle. I fail...


at any rate, her comment seems to reflect on how near the end of the game a whole entire year has passed since the Warden left the Circle, so everything fits.

[Ulicus]

Wynne says it's been "almost a year" anyway. I'd consider ten months "almost a year". And, again, I don't know why the assumption is that Hawke and Co. left Gwaren shortly after their arrival. They'd have wanted to, certainly, but wishing doesn't make it so. I imagine there were thousands of refugees trying to flee. Getting space on a ship bound for Kirkwall probably took a fair while.

Modifié par Ulicus, 26 avril 2011 - 10:20 .

[TEWR]

how long do you figure they might've waited for passage on a ship Ulicus?

[Ulicus]

Honestly? As long as the plot requires. And recall that, when speaking of their seafaring, Varric only mentions their trip across the Waking Sea... so the "two weeks" may actually only refer to that particular leg of the journey, rather than the voyage in its entirety.

I mean, two weeks from Gwaren to Kirkwall by boat seems kind of implausible... though I suppose we don't know the scale of the map.

[TJPags]

The timeline is royally screwed.  It's an absolute disaster.  It simply doesn't work.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The best way I figure the timeline is something like this:

• 2 months into the Warden's adventure - Fall of Ostagar and Destruction of Lothering
  
• 6-8 more months pass, where the Warden now has all of his allies and is about to call the Landsmeet. Meanwhile, Hawke travels to Gwaren in those 6-8 months alongside Flemeth, whom afterwards awaits the Warden. Hawke takes a ship bound for Kirkwall, which I'd wager takes 1 week to 2 weeks. Add into that an additional 3 days waiting for Gamlen. His year of servitude then begins.
  
• 2 months - Landsmeet concludes and between travel to Denerim and Redcliffe, the Archdemon is slain.
  
• Awakening then starts after maybe 2 weeks pass from the Archdemon's death.
  
• All of Awakening takes place over a course of maybe 6 months at most.
  
• Anders stays for two more months, but leaves for Kirkwall soon after (Amaranthine is closer to Gwaren than Lothering is). At this point, Hawke still has a few months of servitude left.
  
• After Hawke's year ends, he now tries to prepare for the Deep Roads. I'd wager that takes place over the course of a month or two, having to do odd jobs from here and there (not counting the 2 weeks spent in the Deep Roads)
  
• GoA takes place maybe between 1 month - 3 months after Anders leaves
  I doubt Witch Hunt takes place two and a half years after the Archdemon's death though. Where it falls I don't know

This is good, but (and this is not a knock on you, btw):

Why do we think it tales Hawke 6-8 months to get to Gwaren?  I've heard that kind of estimate before.  It doesn't make sense to me.  After all, the Warden wanders around from, say, Ostagar to the Wilds, to Lothering, to Redcliffe, to the Circle, to Redcliffe, to Haven, to Redliffe, to Honleath, Soldier's Peak, to Denerim, to Orzamar, to the Brecilian Forest, to Denerim, to Redcliffe, to Denerim, fighting battles each time and spending time in each place, not to mention additional trips because of sidequests, in that same 6-8 months?

And Flemeth could have - almost should have - been killed by (or made a deal with) the Warden well before then.  Which kind of puts a kink into her taking 6-8 months to walk Hawke over to Gwaren.

The timeline really only works if we somehow accept that it takes Hawke some 6-9 months (depending on how we want to look at it) to get to Kirkwall.  Yet we know Hawke arrives before the Blight ends.  And giving Hawke the same travel time to get to KIrkwall as it takes the Warden to do all the travelling mentioned above, with fights thrown in, makes little logical sense.  Throw in Awakening taking place 6 months post-Coronation, and don't forget to allow time for a new Warden Commander to show up, make Anders give up his cat (how that fits with him faking his death at Vigil's Keep is beyond me), get Anders to Kirkwall and give him some time to establish himself as a healer . . . .

Yea, it don't seem to work at all.

[Ulicus]

I'm invisible, clearly. Again: Hawke and his family may have been hanging around AT Gwaren for weeks/months before they got space on a ship. No "Flemeth was with them for aeons" is required.

Modifié par Ulicus, 27 avril 2011 - 12:54 .

[TEWR]

Ulicus wrote...

Honestly? As long as the plot requires. And recall that, when speaking of their seafaring, Varric only mentions their trip across the Waking Sea... so the "two weeks" may actually only refer to that particular leg of the journey, rather than the voyage in its entirety.

I mean, two weeks from Gwaren to Kirkwall by boat seems kind of implausible... though I suppose we don't know the scale of the map.

Agreed, we don't know the scale of the map. And really, didn't Varric say they were lashed by storms all along the way? That would definitely take a while to navigate through safely, so 2 weeks isn't that implausible.