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[ExtremeOne]

Admiral Awsome wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Admiral Awsome wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

And then there's Han Solo, Samwise, Ron Weasley, et cetera.

Solo's character was still being developed through Empire. I'd say we knew all about Samwise by then of Fellowship.

What conversations could we carry out with Garrus? We know about his family life. We know about his career. We know that he leans toward the renegade area in his thinking and how he deals with situations. What else could we have a conversation with him about?

 





I am sure we can speak with him about the mission and battles 

Ya, like ME1. But remember when you would ask Kaiden or Ashley? Until the next main plot point, they would just just repeat the same thing.That's not very interesting.

   




Thats just a bad side effect of games like this and nothing can be done to fix that .  

[Fiery Phoenix]

Admiral Awsome wrote...

What more is there to Garrus? We've been with him for two games. Hasn't his character been fully fleshed out yet? I like Garrus as much as the next person, but he should sidelined for a new face we haven't met before.

Sidelining current characters in favor of brand new ones is never a good idea when dealing with the final chapter of an ongoing trilogy -- unless it has direct relevance to the story at hand, in which case it has to be done.

[Chewin]

Admiral Awsome wrote...

What more is there to Garrus? We've been with him for two games. Hasn't his character been fully fleshed out yet? I like Garrus as much as the next person, but he should sidelined for a new face we haven't met before.

You like chocolate ice-cream, yes? Would you wanna taste this blueberry flavoured one which you have never tried before?

I didn't think so.

[Admiral Awsome]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Thats just a bad side effect of games like this and nothing can be done to fix that .  

If Bioware can still make him interesting, give us many conversations with him and make him necessary (not fan service), then I will accept Garrus back in ME3. But if not, then give him a criticaly important supporting role.

[Admiral Awsome]

Chewin3 wrote...

Admiral Awsome wrote...

What more is there to Garrus? We've been with him for two games. Hasn't his character been fully fleshed out yet? I like Garrus as much as the next person, but he should sidelined for a new face we haven't met before.

You like chocolate ice-cream, yes? Would you wanna taste this blueberry flavoured one which you have never tried before?

I didn't think so.

Ya, I would like to taste this blueberry flavour. I love trying new things. It adds variety to life. Chocolate gets boring if I have it every time. It's the same reason I don't see my friends everyday. It gets boring. I need breaks from them. It help keeps the friendship interesting and alive. Give me a break from Garrus.

Modifié par Admiral Awsome, 25 avril 2011 - 08:30 .

[ExtremeOne]

Admiral Awsome wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Thats just a bad side effect of games like this and nothing can be done to fix that .  

If Bioware can still make him interesting, give us many conversations with him and make him necessary (not fan service), then I will accept Garrus back in ME3. But if not, then give him a criticaly important supporting role.

  


I agree with part of that but My Shepard would rather team up with someone he and she can trust in 3 . I sure as hell have no trust or interest in working with the alliance squad mates . and I dam sure do not trust the new guy Sanders . 

[Chewin]

@Admiral Awsome If you love to do what you do, then don't let anyone say otherwise

[Admiral Awsome]

ExtremeOne wrote...

I agree with part of that but My Shepard would rather team up with someone he and she can trust in 3 . I sure as hell have no trust or interest in working with the alliance squad mates . and I dam sure do not trust the new guy Sanders . 

Would you trust his sister? She was introduced in the LotSB dossiers. We know Turians are militaristic, so she must have combat experence as a military soldier/commander or police officer. Here's our tie to Garrus. Shephard gives him some important role that he can only trust Garrus with and instead of him his sister comes along for the ride or something. You get the point I'm pointing.

Modifié par Admiral Awsome, 25 avril 2011 - 08:39 .

[Barquiel]

I think we get one krogan as a permanent squaddie, but not both.

Garrus - I couldn't care less.

[Seboist]

Gavorn as a squaddie! Make it happen BW.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

^I'm suprised Vorcha wants Gavorn as squaddie

[ExtremeOne]

Admiral Awsome wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

I agree with part of that but My Shepard would rather team up with someone he and she can trust in 3 . I sure as hell have no trust or interest in working with the alliance squad mates . and I dam sure do not trust the new guy Sanders . 

Would you trust his sister? She was introduced in the LotSB dossiers. We know Turians are militaristic, so she must have combat experence as a military soldier/commander or police officer. Here's our tie to Garrus. Shephard gives him some important role that he can only trust Garrus with and instead of him his sister comes along for the ride or something. You get the point I'm pointing.

  





My Shepard is open to working with any alien squad mate now not matter who they are . but I would rather work with Garrus , Grunt , Wrex , Miranda . but if they are non alliance members then yeah I will give them a chance . 

[Seboist]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

^I'm suprised Vorcha wants Gavorn as squaddie

Having both Gavorn and a Vorcha on the squad would make them into an epic comedy duo.

[Admiral Awsome]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Sidelining current characters in favor of brand new ones is never a good idea when dealing with the final chapter of an ongoing trilogy -- unless it has direct relevance to the story at hand, in which case it has to be done.

Ya, make it relevant. Why not? Shephard sends a trusted friend to do something plot integral and, as a result, will not be available as a full-time squad mate or something.

[daxmeister]

Admiral Awsome wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Thats just a bad side effect of games like this and nothing can be done to fix that .  

If Bioware can still make him interesting, give us many conversations with him and make him necessary (not fan service), then I will accept Garrus back in ME3. But if not, then give him a criticaly important supporting role.

Have to agree with you there. Garrus, Tali, and any other fan favourites. I obviously want them back in my team, but if Bioware did it in a fan-servicey way (which I doubt they will), I'll be disappointed. Then again, a lot of my thoughts regarding ME3 involved Shepard's main team going off to do different parts of the mission. Although, that wouldn't work in the actual game, due to the fact that they might find out an important plot point, and generally it's better if the plot points are found 'first-hand' by Shepard, since he's who you play as.

As it is, I'm very happy that Garrus is going to be a squadmate again. He's been in my team since ME1, and it would feel weird to have him missing in ME3. I just hope that a massive battle near the end of the game has every surviving team member from every game taking part.

Modifié par daxmeister, 25 avril 2011 - 08:58 .

[Admiral Awsome]

daxmeister wrote...

Have to agree with you there. Garrus, Tali, and any other fan favourites. I obviously want them back in my team, but if Bioware did it in a fan-servicey way (which I doubt they will), I'll be disappointed. Then again, a lot of my thoughts regarding ME3 involved Shepard's main team going off to do different parts of the mission. Although, that wouldn't work in the actual game, due to the fact that they might find out an important plot point, and generally it's better if the plot points are found 'first-hand' by Shepard, since he's who you play as.

As it is, I'm very happy that Garrus is going to be a squadmate again. He's been in my team since ME1, and it would feel weird to have him missing in ME3. I just hope that a massive battle near the end of the game has every surviving team member from every game taking part.

I like Garrus too, but like any friend if he's around too often then you get sick of him. I do not want this to happen. Again, if the writers are able to keep him interesting, fresh and plot integral then fine. If not then give him a different (though still integral) role.

Modifié par Admiral Awsome, 25 avril 2011 - 09:09 .

[ExtremeOne]

Admiral Awsome wrote...

daxmeister wrote...

Have to agree with you there. Garrus, Tali, and any other fan favourites. I obviously want them back in my team, but if Bioware did it in a fan-servicey way (which I doubt they will), I'll be disappointed. Then again, a lot of my thoughts regarding ME3 involved Shepard's main team going off to do different parts of the mission. Although, that wouldn't work in the actual game, due to the fact that they might find out an important plot point, and generally it's better if the plot points are found 'first-hand' by Shepard, since he's who you play as.

As it is, I'm very happy that Garrus is going to be a squadmate again. He's been in my team since ME1, and it would feel weird to have him missing in ME3. I just hope that a massive battle near the end of the game has every surviving team member from every game taking part.

I like Garrus too, but like any friend if he's around too often then you get sick of him. I do not want this to happen. Again, if the writers are able to keep him interesting, fresh and plot integral then fine. If not then give him a different (though still integral) role.

  



I am with you on that but when it comes to combat and especially in ME 3 I want him there fighting beside My Shepard because he knows that Garrus will get the job done.  

[Babli]

LotSB hints that we will meet his sister, so his reactions to his family, to reaper invasion and other stuff will keep him fresh there is a lot of room for more development of his character.

Lets just hope that calibrations are done.

Modifié par Babli, 25 avril 2011 - 09:17 .

[darknoon5]

Babli wrote...

LotSB hints that we will met his sister, so his reactions to his family, to reaper invasion and other stuff will keep him fresh there is a lot of room for more development of his character.

Lets just hope that calibrations are done.

Indeed. If Garrus only has 3 conversations on the normandy, I will cry.

[ExtremeOne]

darknoon5 wrote...

Babli wrote...

LotSB hints that we will met his sister, so his reactions to his family, to reaper invasion and other stuff will keep him fresh there is a lot of room for more development of his character.

Lets just hope that calibrations are done.

Indeed. If Garrus only has 3 conversations on the normandy, I will cry.

  



I agree and he will be one of very few I speak with on the SR 2  

[Leonia]

The LotSB dossiers also hinted at Garrus not being able to reach his full potential (whatever that really means) under Shepard's command so there's a good chance he can still grow more in ME3 (plus we're going to need some connection to the turians if we want them on our side, right?). I also seem to remember that in an interview with Keener that there were hints that there were "big" plans for Garrus.

Like Shepard, he's grown over the two previous games and now we're hitting the conclusion, time to see where all that growth is leading, isn't it? Will he still be the compassionate renegade in the end? An equal to Shepard? More badass than Shepard after all is said and done? Who knows, but the writers have more in store for him and considering he is a pretty popular character, why complan about that?

Isn't it about time that we see some character development that's not just about Shepard? Can't Shepard's friends and trustful companions play more of a role in her/his life than "walking codex entries of information"? I don't know about you, but ME2 sure made me feel like Shepard's alone (despite the big squad and the Normandy SR-2) in the world.. I damn well want, no, NEED to have my wingman to help me get through the most difficult portion of the story.

But I'm probably biased in that regard, what do I know. I'd say all the same things about the rest of the ME1 squaddies actually.. Liara, Tali, VS, Wrex (if he's a squaddie again)..the triology is coming to an end and not only must we be reminded of where we started but we should see the effects of Shepard's decisions and the relationships that have sustained her/him over the course of the adventure.

Did Han Solo or Luke Skywalker or Leia Organa leave the original triology in the middle? No, they were all part of the story, even if technically Luke was the main protagonist. He needed his friends to back him up and they each grew as individuals and as a group over time (hell there's a whole expanded universe of fiction that continues their adventures past the movies).

There's more to the ME triology than just Shepard.

Modifié par leonia42, 25 avril 2011 - 09:35 .

[ExtremeOne]

leonia42 wrote...

The LotSB dossiers also hinted at Garrus not being able to reach his full potential (whatever that really means) under Shepard's command so there's a good chance he can still grow more in ME3 (plus we're going to need some connection to the turians if we want them on our side, right?). I also seem to remember that in an interview with Keener that there were hints that there were "big" plans for Garrus.

Like Shepard, he's grown over the two previous games and now we're hitting the conclusion, time to see where all that growth is leading, isn't it? Will he still be the compassionate renegade in the end? An equal to Shepard? More badass than Shepard after all is said and done? Who knows, but the writers have more in store for him and considering he is a pretty popular character, why complan about that?

Isn't it about time that we see some character development that's not just about Shepard? Can't Shepard's friends and trustful companions play more of a role in her/his life than "walking codex entries of information"? I don't know about you, but ME2 sure made me feel like Shepard's alone (despite the big squad and the Normandy SR-2) in the world.. I damn well want, no, NEED to have my wingman to help me get through the most difficult portion of the story.

But I'm probably biased in that regard, what do I know. I'd say all the same things about the rest of the ME1 squaddies actually.. Liara, Tali, VS, Wrex (if he's a squaddie again)..the triology is coming to an end and not only must we be reminded of where we started but we should see the effects of Shepard's decisions and the relationships that have sustained her/him over the course of the adventure.

Did Han Solo or Luke Skywalker or Leia Organa leave the original triology in the middle? No, they were all part of the story, even if technically Luke was the main protagonist. He needed his friends to back him up and they each grew as individuals and as a group over time (hell there's a whole expanded universe of fiction that continues their adventures past the movies).

There's more to the ME triology than just Shepard.

  




I fully agree with that 

[Admiral Awsome]

leonia42 wrote...

The LotSB dossiers also hinted at Garrus not being able to reach his full potential (whatever that really means) under Shepard's command

Then have Shephard give Garrus a mission where he operates on his own. Garrus isn't a squadmate, he gets to " reach his full potential", and he's still helping Shephard.

Did Han Solo or Luke Skywalker or Leia Organa leave the original triology in the middle?

No, but they also never grew boring or static. Their development was also spaced out across all three movies to keep them interesting. Garrus was learning from Shephard in ME1 and grew as a character as a result of teh mission. We learned about him, how he thinks and acts. Nothing like this happens in ME2. According to LotSB there's room for Garrus to be a supporting character without being a full-time squadmate.

The only time Shephard might have grown was in LotSB. Through the main story nothing happens with him because it's too focused on the other characters, but  nothig happens with Garrus. According to the dossier, Garrus feels like he's being held back by staying under his command. Being a squadmate means being under Shephards command.

Modifié par Admiral Awsome, 25 avril 2011 - 10:07 .

[Alienmorph]

Garrus is almost 100% confirmed, about Grunt and Wrex we'll see. I don't think we're going to have both of them, but I'm sure that at least we'll have back one the two, probably Grunt imoh.

[ExtremeOne]

Alienmorph wrote...

Garrus is almost 100% confirmed, about Grunt and Wrex we'll see. I don't think we're going to have both of them, but I'm sure that at least we'll have back one the two, probably Grunt imoh.

   


I hope its Grunt I like Wrex but he has to deal with the Krogan home world .