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[JesterPsychotica]

I couldn't see why Hawke and his family couldn't have been City elves or surface dwarves. Aside from once being nobility (in the case of city elves, and your father being a mage for dwarves) I think being able to choose which race you were could've easily worked into DA2. There would've just been some race specific dialogue tweaks- and we would've lost the Dalish Elf as an option. I don't think we would've needed additional voice actors to cover the additonal races, either.

But for DA3, I would like to see the option for character races re-open. I personally liked the visual changes made to the Elves, it made them seem more unique. I admit to not liking it at first, especially since the Dalish elves seemed somewhat purple- like they were Quasi-Drow, but it grew on me and in the end I rather liked it. I would especially be happy if they added the Kossith (Qunari race) to the character roster.

[Embargoed]

If we go back to a silent protagonist, I may protest it but accept it in the end.

Silent characters don't really have much depth to them, and they make HORRIBLE protagonists. I mean, not once did I come out of games like Origins saying, "Wow... my character sure is interesting!". There was no memorable dialogue to love and a huge lack of character development. All that the Warden achieved was actually because of me and my skill as a player, not because the Warden was special in any way. The only reason to play as my Warden was because the game forced me to take him with me in my party, and because he served as a vehicle to drive the plot along.

When I played Origins, I cared more about Morrigan and Shale than I did for the Warden. They were characters that had the power to emote. The Warden was some two dimensional block with crude facial expressions drawn on him with a piece of crayon. Tha

[Andraste_Reborn]

I'm tired of RPGs where I can select any race I want, provided I was adopted as a baby. It makes the choice of race so much less meaningful - I want to play as a dwarf because dwarven culture is cool and interesting, not so I can be short and have an epic beard. If my character wasn't raised in that culture, there's not really any point for me.

An dwarf or elf adopted by humans might expect to be treated differently by society from a human child, but games that use this device never seem to reflect that properly. I didn't like this way of doing things in Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights 2 and will be contented if I never see it again.

Modifié par Andrastee, 25 avril 2011 - 02:37 .

[Tooneyman]

Heather Cline wrote...

The only thing I'd change about the elves is the freakish noses and foreheads that look like cromagnons. Other than that the elves look fine to me in DA2.

I see no reason to bring back the multi-racial choice from DA:O. Because the game is going in the direction of voiced protagonist, it would cost MORE to make multiple races to pick from and then have a different voice for each race that you choose from. Or if they chose to go the route of having the same voice for each race like having the person who did FemHawke voice each of the 3 female choices, and then the voice for MaleHawke do the voice for all 3 male choices, it would cost more because they would have to do the voices and lip syncing to each racial choice.

Reasoning behind this is dwarves are smaller than humans so camera panning down to where a dwarf is to see the dwarf protagonist speaking. Elves taller than dwarves but smaller than humans, meaning again panning the camera to where the Elf face is, and then the human of course.

Fact is it would cost a lot more to produce the game that way. And I doubt that Bioware or EA are going to go back to the silent protagonist approach which would be cheaper for a multi-racial game but as I said they won't go that route.

Ok, you kind of bit yourself in the foot stating how it would cost more for a single voice actor to play multiple races. I really don't see that happening. Actually it would actually cost less for them to go that route. Instead of using different people for different races. The just alter the voices with a composer which wouldn't take very long or be very hard. I've got friends who are composers who work with sound on a daily basis in the film industry its really not that hard. Its like turning up a volumn button. I've also done some sound editing. You could lower the pitch of certain races or give it more depth, but with the same voice actor. Qunari's voice would be more like Stens. Very high and rough, while a dwarf would be lower and more scratched. As for Elves the voice would be a bit higher pitched and the human's voice could be the voice actors original. It wouldn't take long at all. Plus it would give more options to the game in a very cost  effective way. As for camera angles. All you would do is slightly change the angle of the camera to the opposite person speaking. It might be a challenge for the dwarves which I will agree with. However, the Elves and Qunari would only be a slight change. I think your over thinking it a little to much. 

I think what I'm getting the feeling is your saving is that Bioware couldn't do it at a low cost value because it would be to much for them, which is  a bunch of mixed nutz.  It would be a challenge but I think one they could do and not have to worry about over spending if they use what they've got right. The problem with DA 2 is the game wasn't given enough time for development. You can see that very clearly. A lot of material was taken out from the original core game like DA:O. All you would be doing is adding in more content, but in a more effective way. Plus it wouldn't be to hard to have some of the NPC's react to what race you are again. I think that would be just plain fun and give you the experience of being an elf or a dwarf again. 

Modifié par Tooneyman, 25 avril 2011 - 03:53 .

[Whisky]

I don't mind not being able to choose an elf or a dwarf since I always play as human in Origins (though I tried every origins for fun). But I totally understand why this is a problem to the majority.

Having the ability to choose a race would be nice for everyone.

Modifié par Whisky, 25 avril 2011 - 03:54 .

[oldmansavage]

Well unlike some other players I like customization to be apart of my role playing experience whether it be inventory or character creation, different races etc.  Less is always worse in a role play game.

[Tooneyman]

Andrastee wrote...

I'm tired of RPGs where I can select any race I want, provided I was adopted as a baby. It makes the choice of race so much less meaningful - I want to play as a dwarf because dwarven culture is cool and interesting, not so I can be short and have an epic beard. If my character wasn't raised in that culture, there's not really any point for me.

An dwarf or elf adopted by humans might expect to be treated differently by society from a human child, but games that use this device never seem to reflect that properly. I didn't like this way of doing things in Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights 2 and will be contented if I never see it again.

Well if you wanted they could also go the commander shepards route. Give a background and start your character in an Military position like they did with the commander warden in Awakening. You would create a new character but you would already be charge of a small group. You would choose from different background and bioware could add some small quests to your characer. Yes, Bioware has done it and yes it was successful. Look at Mass effect. 

However you would do it in the DA Universe. You choose your race and then you choose maybe from 1 to 3 backgrounds Bioware makes up for you. Simple, Easy and doesn't waist to much time. 

[AngryFrozenWater]

Don't give BW anymore ideas from ME. DA2 is already bad enough. The last thing I want is more game crippling stuff from ME in DA3.

[Sabriana]

Curlain wrote...

Perhaps dwarves are now the Asari of DA world, they just breed with humans, elves (and possibly Qunari) and dwarven children result (I guess their genes will be like elven ones in reverse, all childen are born dwarves).  Clearly therefore, any dwarven females thought to have been encountered (or played) in Origins will obviously pure hallucinations on the players part 

Oh and on the topic at hand, yes I would want races back, and I think having played DA2 through it could have been done in the game, they just didn't want to for resource reasons I guess

And the newborns are all... male? Well, yes.... They would have to be.....

*wanders away muttering, scaring her cat witless*



@ Nepp

Your femElf is very pretty.

And I agree on the Circus part. Ever since I saw a close up of the 'newest and bestest' emmisary, I can't look at them in-game any longer without bursting into fits of laughter.

Maybe that was the purpose? The player dies laughing --> the pixel puppets get overwhelmed by darkspawn ---> Architect wins!!!

Ohh...  sneaky, sneaky Bioware. I just figured out the plot for DA 3 

[neppakyo]

@ Sabriana

Don't forget this theme music when you fight DA2 darkspawn

[dheer]

I believe this is right up there with "would you like cheese on that?" Of course I do.

Humans, for the most part, are boring.

[San Diego Thief]

yes - please bring back different races - and maybe even introduce new races in Dragon Age 3.

Also, a race should have positive and negative influence on some of your talents and ability scores. They should also have special magic and fighting techniques that are unique to them and change how NPCs interact with the party

[neppakyo]

San Diego Thief wrote...

yes - please bring back different races - and maybe even introduce new races in Dragon Age 3.

Also, a race should have positive and negative influence on some of your talents and ability scores. They should also have special magic and fighting techniques that are unique to them and change how NPCs interact with the party

Sounds suspiciously similar to AD&D

[Silhouelle]

Well. I'd like multiple races if Bioware does such a poor job at characterizing the protagonist again. DA2 had loads of potential to make the Hawke family really interesting but almost all of it wasn't tapped into imo. Theres no reason why Hawke couldn't have been an Elf or a Dwarf, frankly. Wouldn't have changed things in the slightest. If a dwarf, family are surface merchants living in Lothering. If an Elf, I dunno, passing by when the Darkspawn surface and take refuge in Lothering. Rest of the game would have been the same. :S

So yeah, if they do such a poor job at making the given character/family interesting again, multiple races. If they actually go in depth and make the family really interesting and complex with good story arcs, keep it as one-race.

[Woodstock-TC]

dont want/need multiple races back given the fact that at the current point its too costy/lenghty developing a game that fits all. DAO tried and did a good job in the origins stories. But shortly after, no matter what origin you selected it became more and more the same story. (you may disagree, but back than i remember the forums full of critics).
For me that was also the moment where i felt becoming more and more disconnected from my Roleplayed character merged back to a standard-avatar-icon i played for 25 years.

Would i love these choices disregarding resource and development cycles ? perfect setup for every race ? hell yes ! do i believe that its possible maintaining all the modern achievments, dramatic, cinematic, active hero-aware-storytelling and companion reaction towards its origins ? hell no !
thus im OK with where DA2 or ME is heading in this aspect.

(to cover this aspect you dont need to drop other cool rpg aspects though (but as this thread is not about that issues, i can keep it simple from my part)

[Blastback]

Yes please. I admit, my main character is usually always human, but I'll do other charaters of other races, because it is really fun to pretend to be someone so diffrent.

[San Diego Thief]

how cool would it be to play as a reformed intelligent darkspawn, dragon warrior (son of a dragon and human), or even a Werewolf

you could summon dragons to fight for you, shapeshift into werewolf form, etc.....

[In Exile]

No. Not unless Bioware can add depth to being a different race, which DA:O lost about the second you got out of Ostagar. That was part of their Grey Warden plotpoint. Being a different race doesn't increase replayability (for me) if it doesn't mean different content and NPC reactions, and an elf or dwarf PC did not have very different treatment, at least IMO, in DA:O once you got past the Origin.

[SoR82]

It amuses me that they told us that with using a fixed race they could give us more of a detailed story of the characters life.... Jesus how half arsed would it have been if we could have been something else?

Seriously for me more effort went into the individual origins then went into Laidla... I mean Hawke

[Sannom]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

I obviously would like race selection back. Why? Because it gives the game plenty of replay value. And allows for greater RP'ing.

I would argue against the race being important for replay value. The class and personnality you give to your character are far more important than your character's origin. If the races are really different in the abilities they gain, that's another story, but it's really rare.

neppakyo wrote...
Sounds suspiciously similar to AD&D

It reminds me more of the cancelled Black Isle game Torn. The Warrior path, for example, included bery different perks and abilities depending on the race. Dwarves were solid and hard to move, making great tanks, while elves were a lot more mobile but poorly protected. Each race would have had a kind of weapon that would go well with their style (I think elves were supposed to be able to use chains).

San Diego Thief wrote...

how cool would it be to play as a reformed intelligent darkspawn, dragon warrior (son of a dragon and human), or even a Werewolf

I'm not sure dragons can mate with humans in the DA universe../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png. The man who would try that would have to be really adventurous!

Modifié par Sannom, 25 avril 2011 - 05:17 .

[Volourn]

I wanted to play a dwarf pre DA2 and that hasn't changed. Dwarves rule all!

[Jerrybnsn]

neppakyo wrote...

San Diego Thief wrote...

yes - please bring back different races - and maybe even introduce new races in Dragon Age 3.

Also, a race should have positive and negative influence on some of your talents and ability scores. They should also have special magic and fighting techniques that are unique to them and change how NPCs interact with the party

Sounds suspiciously similar to AD&D

whoa! whoa! whoa!  My head is spinning.  Just tell me which button to push for awesomeness.

[Sabriana]

neppakyo wrote...

San Diego Thief wrote...

yes - please bring back different races - and maybe even introduce new races in Dragon Age 3.

Also, a race should have positive and negative influence on some of your talents and ability scores. They should also have special magic and fighting techniques that are unique to them and change how NPCs interact with the party

Sounds suspiciously similar to AD&D

Yes, I immediately thought of NWN 2 -  Genasi, Tiefling, and Aasimar. They had this weird ECL stuff going on.

Oh, and thanks for putting this brain-worm in my head. I hope you're happy.

[Huntress]

I'll love to see DA3 with all the races! They should re-work the elves.. they are horrible in DA2.

[neppakyo]

Sabriana wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

San Diego Thief wrote...

yes - please bring back different races - and maybe even introduce new races in Dragon Age 3.

Also, a race should have positive and negative influence on some of your talents and ability scores. They should also have special magic and fighting techniques that are unique to them and change how NPCs interact with the party

Sounds suspiciously similar to AD&D

Yes, I immediately thought of NWN 2 -  Genasi, Tiefling, and Aasimar. They had this weird ECL stuff going on.

Oh, and thanks for putting this brain-worm in my head. I hope you're happy.

Sweet! Everyone loves brainworms!

and ECL races have been around forever in D&D.