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[Jagri]

Cerberus is just incompetent...

Its like the Umbrella Corporation, Weyland-Yutani, and Cyberdyne Systems had a retarded child and decided to name it Cerberus.

Thats how bad it is... Ever mistake the above fictional organizations made was made by Cerberus but on a galactic scale.

Modifié par Jagri, 26 avril 2011 - 08:38 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Besides the part about the galaxy not really ever, well, noticing.

Minor detail, that.

[Moiaussi]

wiggles89 wrote...

How long did it take the Alliance to sever all ties once Cerberus made their true colours visible?

Cerberus' worst experiments happened while they were a part of the Alliance. And keep it mind, there was a long period between Teltin and the Alliance severing their ties with Cerberus. Moreover, Cerberus' behaviour has been much more palatable since the two split.

There is no evidence that the Alliance knew of the worst of it though, and we were told in ME1 that Cerberus had effectively infiltrated the Alliance, which suggests that some of the rogue elements simply stayed in the Alliance under cover. At some point they were declared rogue, but it isn't as if there aren't many cases in history where an individual or organization operates illegally for years before they get caught.

[Dean_the_Young]

There's no reason to claim that the Alliance didn't know what Cerberus was doing until Cerberus went rogue. We aren't talking mere years or months, but up towards decades in some cases.

An argument about 'they didn't know what their own organization was doing' requires more substantiation.

[Moiaussi]

Really? And how would they know, precisely what goes on in deep space away from nowhere? These aren't Earth ops with civilian populations and reporters everywhere.

If operatives are giving false reports and working on their own projects, it is a lot harder to check up on them over interstellar distances.

Per Ascension TIM is usually pretty hands off too. It mentions he usually gets first word of success from newpapers rather than from his operatives.

[Dean_the_Young]

Moiaussi wrote...

Really? And how would they know, precisely what goes on in deep space away from nowhere? These aren't Earth ops with civilian populations and reporters everywhere.

Uh, how does any organization track branches that are removed by distance?

If operatives are giving false reports and working on their own projects, it is a lot harder to check up on them over interstellar distances.

And to support your assertions of false reports and unlisted projects in regards to the known Cerberus projects during the time are...

[Jagri]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Besides the part about the galaxy not really ever, well, noticing.

Minor detail, that.

Cerberus simply has more places to hide away experiments and have them fail spectacularly.

I would give more credit to Weyland-Yuntain cause despite their failures xenomorph out breaks are often contained to one world. Cerberus couldn't even handle a batch of critically endangered Rachni and to compound their failure the Rachni were able to ship themselves to several diffirent worlds.

Modifié par Jagri, 26 avril 2011 - 09:11 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Jagri wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Besides the part about the galaxy not really ever, well, noticing.

Minor detail, that.

Cerberus simply has more places to hide away experiments and have them fail spectacularly.

I would give more credit to Weyland-Yuntain cause despite their failures xenomorph out breaks are often contained to one world. Cerberus couldn't even handle a batch of critically endangered Rachni and to compound their failure the Rachni were able to ship themselves to several diffirent worlds.

Or, alternatively, the Cerberus failures really aren't that spectacular or devastating.

Which, really, they haven't been.


And you make it sound like it's easy to work on Rachni, though what gives you that impression despite all the lore opposed to it is beyond me.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 26 avril 2011 - 09:42 .

[steelfire_dragon]

TIM is Hades if nobody has figured it out yey... hahaha. just kidding I dont know for sure.

[Dean_the_Young]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Define 'spectacular or devastating'

Let's start with failures that have, in their failure, had a noticable galactic impact, whether on the galactic economy, galactic politics, or even the galactic new cycle.

After all, when Umbrella went down, it went down with a bang and sparked a global counter-containment movement that included nuclear bombs being released on infected cities.

[Sandbox47]

Didn't read that ^. Too much work. I know this: Terra Firma is going to weep when Earth goes boom when Reapers attack because at least on one playthrough of ME3 will I let Earth die. Does that give you guys a hint where my loyalties lie?
< ---With these people.

[Seboist]

Cerberus looks after humanity's security and long term interests. They provided aid to the Horizon colony after the Collector attack.

Can Humans expect the same from the Geth,Rachni,Krogan and Quarians? NO!

Modifié par Seboist, 26 avril 2011 - 09:57 .

[Sandbox47]

@thurmanator692:
Yupp.

Modifié par Sandbox47, 26 avril 2011 - 09:55 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

Define 'spectacular or devastating'

Let's start with failures that have, in their failure, had a noticable galactic impact, whether on the galactic economy, galactic politics, or even the galactic new cycle.

After all, when Umbrella went down, it went down with a bang and sparked a global counter-containment movement that included nuclear bombs being released on infected cities.

To be fair, Overlord was this close to being a galactic disaster.

But to be equally fair, this was more Dr Archer's fault than TIM. And to be fairer, TIM should have a bit more direct oversight on his projects.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Overlord could theoretically have been a galactic danger, but whatever the case may be Cerberus contained the problem.

I would say Shepard did, but apparently Cerberus also handle David well after (for now at least) and maybe even gave him a more humane treatment.

But still, Cerberus only handled it after the disaster was averted by Shepard. who apparently had a few minutes to spare.

Then of-course there is the fact that the Council gifted us with the geth

I am not sure what you mean. You mean Quarians?

Not to say that their failures justify Cerberus effing up, but everyone in this universe goofs.

Yes true. But advancement can only be made by recognizing one's errors. Cerberus can be improved upon and have more oversight on each individual cell, without compromising their individuality and flexibility.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 26 avril 2011 - 10:16 .

[Dean_the_Young]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

Define 'spectacular or devastating'

Let's start with failures that have, in their failure, had a noticable galactic impact, whether on the galactic economy, galactic politics, or even the galactic new cycle.

After all, when Umbrella went down, it went down with a bang and sparked a global counter-containment movement that included nuclear bombs being released on infected cities.

Ohhhhh we were still going off Umbrella/Cerberus comparisons. Okay, they haven't made a comparable mistake. the closest i can think of is the incident with Paul Grayson, and that wasn't apocalyptic

That wasn't even strategic. The Turian intrusions into Alliance space without Alliance knowledge were far more important and relevant in every respect. As far as the galaxy is concerned, Paul Grayson is some guy who broke into the Ascension Project and killed a few guards... if anyone knows that much.

[Dean_the_Young]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

Define 'spectacular or devastating'

Let's start with failures that have, in their failure, had a noticable galactic impact, whether on the galactic economy, galactic politics, or even the galactic new cycle.

After all, when Umbrella went down, it went down with a bang and sparked a global counter-containment movement that included nuclear bombs being released on infected cities.

To be fair, Overlord was this close to being a galactic disaster.

But to be equally fair, this was more Dr Archer's fault than TIM. And to be fairer, TIM should have a bit more direct oversight on his projects.

And to be fairer even still, TIM was getting regular reports from Archer in the first place. Overlord wasn't some new project: by the time it broke, Overlord had been going on for some time with no problems and no signs of any sort of breakthrough that might introduce such. When a potential breakthrough was discovered, a report was incoming.

Overlord was close to being a galactic disaster... but then, being close to not-a-virgin is still a virgin. Cerberus had a problem, and then Cerberus called in assets to deal with problem, and then problem was dealt with. The epic disaster had a grand fallout outside of Cerberus ranks of... possibly some injuries to Shepard's crew. Who are part of a Cerberus cell.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
And to be fairer even still, TIM was getting regular reports from Archer in the first place. Overlord wasn't some new project: by the time it broke, Overlord had been going on for some time with no problems and no signs of any sort of breakthrough that might introduce such. When a potential breakthrough was discovered, a report was incoming.

The way I understood it is that TIM was going to cancel the project because it's a failure, which forced Dr. Archer to be extreme and a bit careless in his experiment to bring results. So maybe if TIM wants to cancel a project, he should send personnel to shut it down immediately instead of risk having someone desperate do something like this.

Of course as it turns out, it was for the best (David as Overlord is an invaluable asset) and Cerberus delt with it. But thiis a flaw that ought to be rectified.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 26 avril 2011 - 10:29 .