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[AdmiralCheez]

Roxy12 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...
She basically already has.  Blow the base, and she's stoked.  She can even tell TIM to suck it.  Keep it, and she's really not too pleased.

Romance her, and her character will be practically bending over for Shepard, (literally in some cases) after pretending to be this independent woman.

Says the Talimancer

You're all doing it wrong.

You should be romancing Jacob.

[didymos1120]

Roxy12 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...
She basically already has.  Blow the base, and she's stoked.  She can even tell TIM to suck it.  Keep it, and she's really not too pleased.

Romance her, and her character will be practically bending over for Shepard, (literally in some cases) after pretending to be this independent woman.

Says the Talimancer

How is this either relevant or any sort of refutation?  Ever heard of ad hominem?

[Someone With Mass]

Roxy12 wrote...
Says the Talimancer

Yeah? So?

Every female romance bends over for Shepard eventually.

Miranda just happens to do it with the subtlety of a crashing freight train. 

[naledgeborn]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Roxy12 wrote...
Says the Talimancer

Yeah? So?

Every female romance bends over for Shepard eventually.

Miranda just happens to do it with the subtlety of a crashing freight train. 

Uh huh.
"ZOMG SHEPARD!! You saved my life again. Let me put myself in danger yet again so we can link suits and have interspeices sex."

[Someone With Mass]

Anyway.

It's pretty easy to tell how hilariously incompetent and evil Cerberus is.

I can probably count their good deeds on one hand and I would need at least five more people to count their bad ones.

[Zulu_DFA]

GodWood wrote...

The Cerberus haters far out number the Cerberus sympathizers.

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Therefore Cerberus is evil!
[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

[corporal doody]

notice how every place you went dealing with Cerberus had dead Cerberus agents...or you had to make them dead Cerberus agents. strange.

[Chewin]

This thread is full of it

[Fat Headed Wolf]

Man.... The OP comes in here really civil (talking about a FAKE video-game organization, mind you) and some people (you know who you is..... Mmmhmmmm.....) take it to the extreme shooting him down.

Need I remind you this is a FAKE organization?

Reminds me of one of my earlier girlfriend who would sometimes get in a fightin' mood, and you simply had to ride out the storm.

"Hey, we're out of mayo...."

"Oh, so you want me to get some, then?"

"No.... I just thought you'd want to know."

"Since I'm a woman, I should go to the store and get you whatever you want? Right?"

"Not really, but if you wouldn't mind--"

"FFFFUUUUUUUU--"

[CptAwesomePhD]

Cerberus is a narrative device. Nothing more. It's a foil for Shepard and his morality as chosen by the player. It works really well as such, mostly because Martin Sheen is awesome as this ambiguous mephistophelian character that you can fit into your personal version of Shepard's character arc in a lot of ways. I can play this goody two-shoes paragon shep who gets more and more disgusted with Cerberus' crazy experiments and tells TIM to go screw himself in the end, or I can play her as a tough-as-nails, take-no-prisoners renegade that fits right in with him and his methods.

And then there's all those various shades of grey - maybe a former paragon winds up disillusioned with the council and the alliance and grudgingly embraces the Cerberus way of getting things done, or a once renegade-y character finds out he's not willing to this far after all and redeems himself by deciding to take the high road eventually. That's why I like Cerberus, it's an awesome tool to flesh out various kind of characters and make them all interesting to play.

It's also why I never had a problem with the alliance with Cerberus being forced on Shepard in ME2, because it really is what makes the story work - the central conflict of ME2 to me isn't about the collectors or the reapers, it's about how I relate to this morally grey, clandestine organisation that gets some things done at the cost of breaking others. It's like how the 'hardcore roleplayers' can fiddle around endlessly with character builds, only in this case relating to narrative rather than game mechanics.

Modifié par CptAwesomePhD, 25 avril 2011 - 02:25 .

[CroGamer002]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

You're all doing it wrong.

You should be romancing Jacob.

Jacob romance is 3rd worst thing that happen to me in ME2.

2nd is stuck in cover glitch while 1st one are Pyro's.

[Someone With Mass]

Let me tell you why I don't like Cerberus.

Let's go back to the Cold War. America is trying to keep communism from advancing because that would allow Russia to grow in strength and begin to tip the scale in their favor.

To ensure that communism did not spread, the U.S. had to do a lot of morally questionable things. Ultimately these things came back to bite as as rampant anti-americanism throughout the world, particularly in the middle east. I can't blame the U.S. for doing what had to be done to try and forward their interests during a period of intense nuclear fear but there are still consequences that we are dealing with today.

I see it as Cerberus is basically doing the same thing except that there is no cold war. The other species are not our enemies, at the worst they are a bit cold towards us. Their actions are going to have the same negative effect and there really is no reason to do it.

Pretty much this.

That's my reason to think Cerberus is titanically stupid.

[corporal doody]

Jacob is just terrible. i have only used Jacob in the initial and his loyalty missions.......in all my playthroughs. not a big fan. he is kind of bland.

[Dean_the_Young]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Cerberus isn't evil if you believe that their intentions are good and that their actions will ultimately result in a better humanity.

But you know what they say about the road to hell being paved with good intentions...

...which is why you should avoid Paragon at all costs.

Your very soul is at stake! Your soul!

[Dean_the_Young]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Let me tell you why I don't like Cerberus.

Let's go back to the Cold War. America is trying to keep communism from advancing because that would allow Russia to grow in strength and begin to tip the scale in their favor.

To ensure that communism did not spread, the U.S. had to do a lot of morally questionable things. Ultimately these things came back to bite as as rampant anti-americanism throughout the world, particularly in the middle east. I can't blame the U.S. for doing what had to be done to try and forward their interests during a period of intense nuclear fear but there are still consequences that we are dealing with today.

I see it as Cerberus is basically doing the same thing except that there is no cold war. The other species are not our enemies, at the worst they are a bit cold towards us. Their actions are going to have the same negative effect and there really is no reason to do it.

Pretty much this.

That's my reason to think Cerberus is titanically stupid.

It kind of rests on a presumption that the blowback is worse than the problem solved. With is a rather huge presumption when you consider that the fall of the Soviet Union, and the way it did, were in no sense guaranteed or inevitable.

It also presumes that blowback is something that can be avoided at all, which history is pretty much full of counterarguments. If you're involved, you get blowback for being involved. If you're not involved, you can still forment future blowback. Action and non-action both can and often do come around to bite you.

[corporal doody]

i wonder if cerberus is pulling a 12 Monkeys. gain the technology then go into hiding to await when the reapers go into hibernation again...then they can use the technology to start humanity all over again WITH HUMANITY AT the top...but they will an additional 50000 years to prep for the next reaper coming. they prolly have a understanding of the IFF so they could duplicate it. its a stretch i admit...but im bored.

Modifié par corporal doody, 25 avril 2011 - 02:41 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Cerberus isn't evil if you believe that their intentions are good and that their actions will ultimately result in a better humanity.

But you know what they say about the road to hell being paved with good intentions...

...which is why you should avoid Paragon at all costs.

Your very soul is at stake! Your soul!

Don't look at me; I paragade.

[AdmiralCheez]

corporal doody wrote...

Jacob is just terrible. i have only used Jacob in the initial and his loyalty missions.......in all my playthroughs. not a big fan. he is kind of bland.

I keep dragging this thread off-topic, but you're wrong.

Jacob is bromantic.

[Saber Wolf]

That's why I like Jacob more as a ManShep

[didymos1120]

corporal doody wrote...

Jacob is just terrible. i have only used Jacob in the initial and his loyalty missions.......in all my playthroughs. not a big fan. he is kind of bland.

He has some pretty good deadpan snark moments from time to time though, which is a side to him they really ought to have emphasized more.  Annoyingly, some of his best dialogue of that sort was cut.  Like pushing the merc out the window.  As it is, he just chides you sanctimoniously, but he could have said "Get up on the wrong side of don't-give-a-sh*t this morning?" or "Damn it, Shepard....he could've hit someone."

[CroGamer002]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I keep dragging this thread off-topic, but you're wrong.

Jacob is bromantic.

I'm going even more off topic.

I'm sorry but I have to say, I HATE  that hair.

[AdmiralCheez]

Mesina2 wrote...

I'm going even more off topic.

I'm sorry but I have to say, I HATE  that hair.

It was the only one I could get to fit her face.

I hate all the hair.

[Saber Wolf]

She looks like a sl*t

Modifié par Datas_12, 25 avril 2011 - 02:48 .

[CroGamer002]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

I'm going even more off topic.

I'm sorry but I have to say, I HATE  that hair.

It was the only one I could get to fit her face.

I hate all the hair.

Even pony tail one?

[Dean_the_Young]

didymos1120 wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

Jacob is just terrible. i have only used Jacob in the initial and his loyalty missions.......in all my playthroughs. not a big fan. he is kind of bland.

He has some pretty good deadpan snark moments from time to time though, which is a side to him they really ought to have emphasized more.  Annoyingly, some of his best dialogue of that sort was cut.  Like pushing the merc out the window.  As it is, he just chides you sanctimoniously, but he could have said "Get up on the wrong side of don't-give-a-sh*t this morning?" or "Damn it, Shepard....he could've hit someone."

That's interesting. Got any more?