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[lovgreno]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Then again, if anyone didn't see Cerberus' betrayal coming, they were just fooling themselves to think that Cerberus could be Shepard's BFF, when he's a Alliance soldier.

Cerberus is no ones friend. They are everyones (including themselves) enemy.

[Seboist]

Lizardviking wrote...

Cerberus working with the Reapers sounds like something straight out of a bad fanfic (or a dark corner of Mac Walter's mind).

It's bad enough we're forced to fight them no matter what but having them work for the Reapers?! If true, then talk about a load of bull****.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Seboist wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Cerberus working with the Reapers sounds like something straight out of a bad fanfic (or a dark corner of Mac Walter's mind).

It's bad enough we're forced to fight them no matter what but having them work for the Reapers?! If true, then talk about a load of bull****.

I am more annoyed of it from a story-telling standpoint. I would prefer Cerberus being the amoral, ruthless and secretive third-party with their own agenda. And should the player desire then they should be able to continue their co-operations with them (perhaps even reluctantly) ala ME2. Now? TIM/cerberus is just a dumb Saren-clone who for some reason just gives up at the first sign of trouble and joins the Reapers (which seems completely OOC for me).

[Thompson family]

Lizardviking wrote...



I am more annoyed of it from a story-telling standpoint. ... Now? TIM/cerberus is just a dumb Saren-clone who for some reason just gives up at the first sign of trouble and joins the Reapers [emphais added] (which seems completely OOC for me).

That's what I thought until this morning. After sleeping on it, it's clear that Cerberus did NOT put most of its resources into resurrecting Shep and building the Normandy, as Miranda said in ME3. They have a huge and very well equipped army.

How could they have done that without long-term Reaper/Collector support? And if they aren't on the payroll, why didn't they just leave Shepard dead or let the Collectors have him?

I'm going to be very interested in seeing how BioWare wraps all this up in a tidy story-telling package.

[TobyHasEyes]

I was really hoping that the Collectors would prove to be a ruthless, secretive third-party with their own agenda.. living beyond a Mass Relay sabotaged so the Reapers couldn't use them.. stealing examples of the best of each cycle so they can create these organic, experimental weaponry to tackle the Reapers..

[Seboist]

Lizardviking wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Cerberus working with the Reapers sounds like something straight out of a bad fanfic (or a dark corner of Mac Walter's mind).

It's bad enough we're forced to fight them no matter what but having them work for the Reapers?! If true, then talk about a load of bull****.

I am more annoyed of it from a story-telling standpoint. I would prefer Cerberus being the amoral, ruthless and secretive third-party with their own agenda. And should the player desire then they should be able to continue their co-operations with them (perhaps even reluctantly) ala ME2. Now? TIM/cerberus is just a dumb Saren-clone who for some reason just gives up at the first sign of trouble and joins the Reapers (which seems completely OOC for me).

That's how I was hoping it'd be. ME2 should have been the basis for the player to learn what Cerberus is all about and to decide whether or not to continue the alliance in ME3.

Instead we get this railroaded JRPG nonsense where we have to fight them no matter what despite all the implications in ME2 that TIM has a great admiration for Shepard and that we can continue our alliance with him.

[ExtremeOne]

Bioware sucks at story telling period

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Seboist wrote...

That's how I was hoping it'd be. ME2 should have been the basis for the player to learn what Cerberus is all about and to decide whether or not to continue the alliance in ME3.

Instead we get this railroaded JRPG nonsense where we have to fight them no matter what despite all the implications in ME2 that TIM has a great admiration for Shepard and that we can continue our alliance with him.

Let's be fair. I think we all knew that we would be railroaded to a certain extend back into the Alliance/Council and Cerberus would take backseat and have less screentime than in ME2. But I had hoped (this being the last chapter and all) that Bioware would atleast have given us the option of continuing co-operations with Cerberus.

[Bad King]

Lizardviking wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Cerberus working with the Reapers sounds like something straight out of a bad fanfic (or a dark corner of Mac Walter's mind).

It's bad enough we're forced to fight them no matter what but having them work for the Reapers?! If true, then talk about a load of bull****.

I am more annoyed of it from a story-telling standpoint. I would prefer Cerberus being the amoral, ruthless and secretive third-party with their own agenda. And should the player desire then they should be able to continue their co-operations with them (perhaps even reluctantly) ala ME2. Now? TIM/cerberus is just a dumb Saren-clone who for some reason just gives up at the first sign of trouble and joins the Reapers (which seems completely OOC for me).

/Agree, it would be better if they were a secondary baddy who are using the chaos of the war to further their own agenda but at the same time intending to defeat the reapers when the time was right. Cerberus joining the reapers is just recycling ME1's story (Saren) and lacks originality.

Modifié par Bad King, 06 mai 2011 - 03:47 .

[Moiaussi]

Ultai wrote...

One part has been bothering me, Shepard was in proximity to the artifact for a good 2 days, even though he was unconscious. I really hope indoctrination starts to catch up with him.

Regarding pcgamer, I don't really take much of what they say seriously, since I read in a recent article that they called huskification specifically Geth technology, so I'll have a hard time believing anything that comes from them if they can't get simple things correct.

I am fully expecting to find out at some point that Shepard is immune either from the beacon explosion or from other modfications/genetics. Besides the fact that the Protheans could have set the beacons to immunize somehow, Shepard is getting more and more modified over the course of the series.

At any rate, he didn't seem affected at all in proximity to Sovereign ever, including at Vermire (where the prisoners were being indoctrinated), and on the Citadel (where there would have been no reason for Sovereign not to use such capacity). We do know from the smugglers near the start of ME1 that Sovereign can broadcast widely. There was likewise no notice of anything on the derelict reaper either. Any immunity would have to be a field effect though since the squad didn't mention anything either.

Even though indoctrination isn't instant, it was noticable to those it was used on in ME1.

[Seboist]

Lizardviking wrote...

Seboist wrote...

That's how I was hoping it'd be. ME2 should have been the basis for the player to learn what Cerberus is all about and to decide whether or not to continue the alliance in ME3.

Instead we get this railroaded JRPG nonsense where we have to fight them no matter what despite all the implications in ME2 that TIM has a great admiration for Shepard and that we can continue our alliance with him.

Let's be fair. I think we all knew that we would be railroaded to a certain extend back into the Alliance/Council and Cerberus would take backseat and have less screentime than in ME2. But I had hoped (this being the last chapter and all) that Bioware would atleast have given us the option of continuing co-operations with Cerberus.

I wasn't expecting any changes beyond cosmetic by any means. ME2 showed the little to nonexistent impact our "choices" had. Like you, I was just expecting some bells and whistles for us to at least be able to pretend we're still with them.

Still, it would have been nice to have some actual alternative content based on our decisions like in DA:O and Awakening.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Bad King wrote...
/Agree, it would be better if they were a secondary baddy who are using the chaos of the war to further their own agenda but at the same time intending to defeat the reapers when the time was right. Cerberus joining the reapers is just recycling ME1's story (Saren) and lacks originality.

Even forgetting that it's recycling ME1. TIM I can't imagine working as a tragic fallen-hero like Saren appeared in the first game.

[Moiaussi]

Lizardviking wrote...

Seboist wrote...

That's how I was hoping it'd be. ME2 should have been the basis for the player to learn what Cerberus is all about and to decide whether or not to continue the alliance in ME3.

Instead we get this railroaded JRPG nonsense where we have to fight them no matter what despite all the implications in ME2 that TIM has a great admiration for Shepard and that we can continue our alliance with him.

Let's be fair. I think we all knew that we would be railroaded to a certain extend back into the Alliance/Council and Cerberus would take backseat and have less screentime than in ME2. But I had hoped (this being the last chapter and all) that Bioware would atleast have given us the option of continuing co-operations with Cerberus.

I had that hope too, but having been railroaded into working with Cerberus in the first place in ME2 rather than given a choice, I wasn't holding my breath for any choice in ME3.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Seboist wrote...
I wasn't expecting any changes beyond cosmetic by any means. ME2 showed the little to nonexistent impact our "choices" had. Like you, I was just expecting some bells and whistles for us to at least be able to pretend we're still with them.

Still, it would have been nice to have some actual alternative content based on our decisions like in DA:O and Awakening.

I think we are still going to get our highly advanced weaponry based on salvaged Collector tech. We are just going to take it from their cold dead hands! 

[Thompson family]

Saren's eyes glowed. TIM's eyes glow.

I don't trust people whose eyes glow. "Simple rule. Never broke it."

[Leonia]

Renegade Shepard's eyes glow too

[Seboist]

Thompson family wrote...

Saren's eyes glowed. TIM's eyes glow.

I don't trust people whose eyes glow. "Simple rule. Never broke it."

Did you have your Shepard kill himself when he was "hacked" in Overlord?

[ODST 5723]

Cerberus working with the Reapers makes some sense if it allows TIM time to further his own agenda. And I could see him do it since he doesn't seem to be that averse to sacrificing lives, including human lives, to further his goals.

Shepard's a unique human in that he is the only one currently known in existence to possess not only the knowledge gained from the Prothean Beacon, but the keys to unlocking that knowledge. I could easily see scenarios that parallel to Farscape that could make this interesting.

Shepard (John Crichton) has something else in his brain (knowlege of wormholes and to build wormhole weapons) beyond the knowledge that was unlocked so far. It's discovered by an extremely Machiavellian, resilient enemy in the form of TIM (Scorpius) because he has some access to the Reapers (Scarrans). As such, he wants to use this to further his own agenda and to protect his chosen species, humanity (Sebacians) by any means necessary. This includes being willing to subject himself to embarrassments in the form of failures, of losing valuable personnel/assets/resources, of working against his prey, of working with his prey and of working for the very species he claims to hate. He does this because he doesn't feel that he needs the man, he needs the knowledge to build a weapon or obtain something that he desires. Dead or alive, he's after the man to get what he knows.

You might want to question if all the cybernetic implants (neural chip) have any alternate purposes (Harvey, a neural clone of Scorpius that helped guide Crichton while trying to unlock his secrets) beyond piecing Shepard back together. TIM has apparently been partially modified by the artifact and is possibly no longer a true human (Scorpius was a Sebacian/Scarran hybrid). He also seems unafraid to dabble with Reaper technology. One can question if any of this has been incorporated into Shepard and if Miranda knows more than she let on. It can give TIM's character some additional layers of manipulation so it doesn't make sense to me at this time to look at the claim that Cerberus is going the Saren route without some skepticism.

That he needed Shepard alive and now apparently wants him dead means that there must be some type of value associated with that. TIM doesn't seem like the type of enemy who will take an asset out of the game unless it suits him, even if it comes at a cost or some discomfort. He also doesn't seem the sort of enemy that would be content serving another master.

Modifié par ODST 5723, 06 mai 2011 - 04:35 .

[Someone With Mass]

Lizardviking wrote...

Cerberus working with the Reapers sounds like something straight out of a bad fanfic (or a dark corner of Mac Walter's mind).

Or something they did in past games.

Like Shepard working with Cerberus.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 06 mai 2011 - 04:41 .

[didymos1120]

Thompson family wrote...

Saren's eyes glowed. TIM's eyes glow.

I don't trust people whose eyes glow. "Simple rule. Never broke it."

Superman's eyes glow when he's about to bust out the heat vision.  He's pretty trustworthy.

[Someone With Mass]

didymos1120 wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Saren's eyes glowed. TIM's eyes glow.

I don't trust people whose eyes glow. "Simple rule. Never broke it."

Superman's eyes glow when he's about to bust out the heat vision.  He's pretty trustworthy.

Samara's eyes glows when she's meditating. And when she swore that oath.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Cerberus working with the Reapers sounds like something straight out of a bad fanfic (or a dark corner of Mac Walter's mind).

Or something they did in past games.

Like Shepard working with Cerberus.

That's definetly not the same thing.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Nyoka wrote...

Hmm, what's this working with the reapers stuff? In ME2, TIM talks repeatedly about how "we're at war" and "it's up to us to stop them". Why the change of mind? Why did he bring Shepard back, if not to lead the war against the reapers?

Also remember the renegade ending:

"Don't presume to judge me or my methods. Cerberus will be ready to face the Reapers."

[Someone With Mass]

Lizardviking wrote...

That's definetly not the same thing.

Being forced to work with the enemy sounds like a fair description of both scenarios.