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[lastpatriot]

So.... I just finished my run of DA:2 last night while playing as a femHawke mage and though I really enjoyed the character (voice-acting was simply perfection), I'm left wondering what's wrong with Hawke and why she's a complete and total failure at personal relationships.

Here is how my game played out (in a nut shell...)

She runs into Fenris and gets all warm and fuzzy inside due to his dedication, motivation, and determination to achieve his goals.  So she's a mage and he hates mage - just a small problem....  Granted, they have fundamentally different desires for the world but in the end, they build a solid respect for each other and so she takes things the next step further.  Does femHawke find the one person who is her equal?  NOPE!  Fenris and Hawke have a little game of jumping on the bed and suddenly he has some creepy flashback and breaks up with her.  So Hawke is now sitting on her bed wearing little to nothing and doing the whole WTF!!!?? on how she just got dumped for a one-night-stand with Mr. death-elf.  Needless to say, the rest of their time in Kirkwall doesn't go well as she now thinks the only thing he wanted was to have his way with her.

That may have something to do with why she almost gave him back to his creepy master....

Anyways, what's better than having someone dump you within two minutes of having sex with you?  A rebound relationship with a posessed mage!  Yup, not a day latter and Anders is ready to "swoop" in profess his undying love for Hawke.  Slightly taken back by his boldness, Hawke starts over with Dr. Twilight-Zone in hopes that his kindness and obvious love for her will, in the end, bring her some sense of joy.  Does she love him back?  Well, not really but at least he shows her respect - sort of....  That is until the day when he blackmails her into helping him wipe out the Chantry.  Great.... now her new relationship is with some lunitic who used her emotions to get entrance into the Chantry and help start a war.  Anders betrays Hawke, lies to her, and then forces her to take sides.  Which, because of her anger towards him, she sides up with the Templars.

Does she kill Anders?  Nope.  Hawke let's him leave out of the memory of the friendship she once had with him.

But wait - Ander's isn't done trying to screw over his old friend and so during the heart of the battle, he shows up again and tries to kill her!  Again, WTF!!!  One romance ends in a romp on the bed with a sudden breakup and the other with "you must die!"

By the end of the story we learn that Hawke becomes the new Viscount but due to some unknow event, she's now gone without anyone knowing really what happened.

My question then (after all that) is how is it that Hawke can save Kirkwall from complete eradication time after time yet she can't even maintain a simple "normal" relationship.  Hell, even Aveline was able to get married and she looks like, well, we all know....

[GodWood]

I personally love it when my first playthrough is chock full of drama and misery.


(Oh and I thought Aveline was the hottest companion in the game)

Modifié par GodWood, 25 avril 2011 - 12:33 .

[lastpatriot]

HonRosie wrote...

I guess it's how you chose to play her. Fenris came back to me in the end so all good for me.

I thought that would likely be an option but trying to play Hawke true to her personality I created (RP fan here) she was rather ticked at him after that situation and never trusted him again.

Sadly enough, the only solid friendship she had was with Varric.

[Rifneno]

Both of those relahionships should've set off some major warning bells beforehand.  A mage getting involved with Fenris is fairly akin to asking OJ Simpson out on a date.  I mean seriously, the guy has more issues than Time Magazine and he focuses them all into a seething hatred against the minority she belongs to.  Maybe I'm just too picky, but if that were me it'd be more "RUN THE HELL AWAY" than "I wanna see where those tattoos lead!"  Anders warns over and over again that it's not going to end well because of Justice.  I believe he says something along the lines of "I'm trying to resist, but I'm only a man, I can only take so much of this teasing."  And I'm pretty sure you can't actually get into a relationship with him until after seeing Justice nearly kill Ella, so Hawke can't exactly say she didn't know what she was getting into.

Edit:  Oh, and GodWood.  Aveline wouldn't be hot if you lit her on fire.  Something I've almost done on multiple occasions.  "What's this?  You got me an awesome shield?  I hope you get cancer!"  Ungrateful ****.

Modifié par Rifneno, 25 avril 2011 - 12:43 .

[lastpatriot]

Fiddles_stix wrote...

Maybe she's lucky in life but not in love? Though distinguishing between the two is problematic.

It's just kind of sad though that here is someone who, for the most part, can pretty much have anyone in the city she wants due to her fame and forture yet the two times she tries to get something started, it ends worse than the whole conversation with Morrigan and the Warden.  Is is just because Hawke grew up in a small town and never really knew what life or a true relationship should have been outside of what she saw there?

Who knows.... Looking back though, it should make an interesting story to continue over to DA:3.

[GodWood]

Rifneno wrote...
Edit:  Oh, and GodWood.  Aveline wouldn't be hot if you lit her on fire.  Something I've almost done on multiple occasions.  "What's this?  You got me an awesome shield?  I hope you get cancer!"  Ungrateful ****.

I'm sorry what?

She hoped you'd get cancer?

[Woodstock-TC]

FemHawke and the fantastic voice acting really pulled the game out of misery at start for me. When i was still b***ing around about the changes, the femhawke character was already very catchy. Not a brick, but with family, emotions and humorous (especially if you play the sarcastic line) additionally i was totally taken away by the default model.. fantastic work.
Now after the fourth playthroug im ok or like some of the changes (ie mage combat pacing rocks imho, less black/white all elves do this, all dwarfes do that.. so feels more mature.great story).
=>Regarding relationships: depends how you play like another poster already said. Fenris can come back, but basically i always go for Merril which is a cutie and basically remembers me of nerdish Liara in ME1..

basically dropping by daily in the forums to check when an expansion is comming.. hopefully fixing some of the da2 issues, but looking for new gameplay hours =)

Modifié par Woodstock-TC, 25 avril 2011 - 02:14 .

[lastpatriot]

Well, here's another question then:

If you download the DLC for Sebastian, what happens if Hawke agrees to join the Chantry with him when he offers her his hand in marriage? I would assume the game doesn't fully play that option out, does it?

Being as my femHawke is a mage, it's unlikely that she would ever consider the Chantry as an interest as her religious beliefs are rather shaky at best. Still, her intent isn't much more than to find peace so who knows?

[thermalware]

The guys are pretty moody if you are into those sorts of relationships. Female hawke is totally pro as lesbian tho

[TheAwesomologist]

GodWood wrote...

(Oh and I thought Aveline was the hottest companion in the game)

I dunno about hottest companion (I'd say that goes to Bethany... your sister... or Isabella if you like STDs) but she certainly came across as the most interesting woman in the game. Strong will, convictions, and arms. Doesn't take bs, career driven, and a generally good person all around. But since she's not psychotic she cannot be an LI...

Oh well at least there's Merrill to go NOM on.

[lastpatriot]

What, you don't think getting married to Sebastian and becoming a nun isn't a good option?

[kennydahl]

TheAwesomologist wrote...

GodWood wrote...

(Oh and I thought Aveline was the hottest companion in the game)

I dunno about hottest companion (I'd say that goes to Bethany... your sister... or Isabella if you like STDs) but she certainly came across as the most interesting woman in the game. Strong will, convictions, and arms. Doesn't take bs, career driven, and a generally good person all around. But since she's not psychotic she cannot be an LI...

Oh well at least there's Merrill to go NOM on.

This I totally agree with.  I'd go so far as to say that Aveline was by far the most 'attractive' female character  (and by that I don't just mean appearance, I mean overall personality).

[AlexXIV]

That's the good thing about being a guy playing femHawke. You romance Merrill and it goes pretty well.

[kyles3]

AlexXIV wrote...

That's the good thing about being a guy playing femHawke. You romance Merrill and it goes pretty well.

Until you see their nasty grandma hands. 

[TobiTobsen]

kyles3 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

That's the good thing about being a guy playing femHawke. You romance Merrill and it goes pretty well.

Until you see their nasty grandma hands. 

There is a solution for everything. Grandma hands included.

Younger hands for everyone!

http://www.dragonage...ile.php?id=2440

[Woodstock-TC]

hand textures are a general da2 problem. it was a *gulp* moment in every scene i remember with the vanilla installation before updating with the hand-mod.

Modifié par Woodstock-TC, 25 avril 2011 - 05:12 .

[TobiTobsen]

Woodstock-TC wrote...

hand textures are a general da2 problem. it was a *gulp* in every scene i remember with the vanilla installation before updateing with the hand-mod.

All the skin, besides the faces, looks somehow lowres. At least if it's exposed skin while you're wearing an armor. Like Isabelas arms and stuff.

[The Angry One]

AlexXIV wrote...

That's the good thing about being a guy playing femHawke. You romance Merrill and it goes pretty well.

Don't *need* to be a guy to do that.
Also there's that whole blood mage thing. Every romance has their own issues really, it's just that Anders ends up with a psycho rating of 50,000 gigaMansons.

[Cazlee]

My Hawke was in the same position, but for a different reason. I didn't realize that there were specific "flirt" dialogue options that had to be chosen to advance the romances. I chose some flirt options, but not the required ones, so my Hawke lost the option to romance Anders. I was relieved midway through when he started to become increasingly paranoid, rude to my companions and annoying.  Fenris had almost as much issues as Anders, so my Hawke stayed away from him.  I liked Sebastian, but rejected his chaste marriage offer. I was hoping someone without issues like Donnic would eventually come along, but no.

Modifié par Cazlee, 25 avril 2011 - 05:48 .

[hoorayforicecream]

I got the distinct feeling they were trying to push it overboard this game. In DA:O, every romance was pretty much tailor made to be sweet and happy, like a fairy tale. DA2's had a lot more neuroses and emotional issues... they could be worked through, but it was a lot harder and the characters were a lot less idealized.

That also includes Hawke... I actually liked it better this way. It felt more real.

Modifié par hoorayforicecream, 25 avril 2011 - 05:21 .

[The Angry One]

I think the major problem with Fenris is the arbitrary passage of time feature, which makes it so that it takes him 3 years to tell Hawke that was the best night of his entire life but it brought up things he couldn't handle at that moment.

[hoorayforicecream]

The Angry One wrote...

I think the major problem with Fenris is the arbitrary passage of time feature, which makes it so that it takes him 3 years to tell Hawke that was the best night of his entire life but it brought up things he couldn't handle at that moment.

He's also kind of paranoid about mages and pretty emo. I am not sure my fun-loving Hawke could be with a guy who was constantly warring with low self-esteem issues while blaming mages for all the bad stuff that happens. Now, my angry Hawke could definitely get behind that, and try to pound some sense into him. For what it's worth.