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[TheBlackBaron]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

I got the distinct feeling they were trying to push it overboard this game. In DA:O, every romance was pretty much tailor made to be sweet and happy, like a fairy tale. DA2's had a lot more neuroses and emotional issues... they could be worked through, but it was a lot harder and the characters were a lot less idealized.

That also includes Hawke... I actually liked it better this way. It felt more real.

Morrigan disagrees. 

Also, OP, rivalry Sebastian gives up his vows, IIRC. So romancing him doesn't necessarily require becoming a nun that doesn't get any. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

I got the distinct feeling they were trying to push it overboard this game. In DA:O, every romance was pretty much tailor made to be sweet and happy, like a fairy tale.

Not Morrigan's. Even with Witch Hunt.

But yea I felt the LIs in Origins were more..personable and a bit less over the top. Just my opinion though.

[The Angry One]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I think the major problem with Fenris is the arbitrary passage of time feature, which makes it so that it takes him 3 years to tell Hawke that was the best night of his entire life but it brought up things he couldn't handle at that moment.

He's also kind of paranoid about mages and pretty emo. I am not sure my fun-loving Hawke could be with a guy who was constantly warring with low self-esteem issues while blaming mages for all the bad stuff that happens. Now, my angry Hawke could definitely get behind that, and try to pound some sense into him. For what it's worth. 

Yes but that just leads to more hate sex!
... what?

Besides the game doesn't do a very good job of ever proving Fenris wrong.
In fact I'm surprised Fenris doesn't just wear a sign that says "I told you so." by Act 3.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

I
got the distinct feeling they were trying to push it overboard this
game. In DA:O, every romance was pretty much tailor made to be sweet and
happy, like a fairy tale.

Not Morrigan's. Even with Witch Hunt.

But yea I felt the LIs in Origins were more..personable and a bit less over the top. Just my opinion though.

What about the ending where Morrigan and the Warden can go through the mirror together to spend happy time in Pot Land?

Modifié par The Angry One, 25 avril 2011 - 05:32 .

[hoorayforicecream]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

I got the distinct feeling they were trying to push it overboard this game. In DA:O, every romance was pretty much tailor made to be sweet and happy, like a fairy tale. DA2's had a lot more neuroses and emotional issues... they could be worked through, but it was a lot harder and the characters were a lot less idealized.

That also includes Hawke... I actually liked it better this way. It felt more real.

Morrigan disagrees. 

Also, OP, rivalry Sebastian gives up his vows, IIRC. So romancing him doesn't necessarily require becoming a nun that doesn't get any. 

Morrigan's romance was somewhat tragic, but that doesn't make it any less sweet. She ultimately had to choose and she did. She still didn't have the kind of major issues that the DA2 love interests had.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Angry One wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Not Morrigan's. Even with Witch Hunt.

But yea I felt the LIs in Origins were more..personable and a bit less over the top. Just my opinion though.

What about the ending where Morrigan and the Warden can go through the mirror together to spend happy time in Pot Land?

Except we don't know what pot land looks like, what are Morrigan's plans, and what are the implications if we have a God baby, and what Flemeth has to do with all this. My Warden didn't follow her for love either, but for pragmatic reasons.  Seeing how the Warden will probably not return, we wil be completly ignorant of what happened and that's even worse than tragedy.

[The Angry One]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Morrigan's romance was somewhat tragic, but that doesn't make it any less sweet. She ultimately had to choose and she did. She still didn't have the kind of major issues that the DA2 love interests had.

I don't know I'd think "My mother wants to kill me and take over my body, so I'll have her killed first." and "I need to have sex with a Warden to conceive a god child" are pretty up there.
That along with her mistrusting, anti-social personality due to the fact that she was brought up by an ancient sociopath gives her enough issues to outrank at least Isabela, Fenris and Merril.

While we're at it, Zevran is someone who was trained as a killer from a young age, who hides his neurosis and need for companionship behind a veneer of charm and hedonism.
Alistair suffers from huge rejection issues, is underconfident and lets his emotions rule him.
Leliana has some similar traits to Zevran with the added bonus that she may have been playing the Warden like a fiddle all along.

Everyone has issues.

Modifié par The Angry One, 25 avril 2011 - 05:40 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Angry One wrote...
Everyone has issues.

But they are more subtle about it. To a certain extent.

In DA2, they feel comfortable telling us eveything in the first meeting.

[ejoslin]

The Angry One wrote...

I think the major problem with Fenris is the arbitrary passage of time feature, which makes it so that it takes him 3 years to tell Hawke that was the best night of his entire life but it brought up things he couldn't handle at that moment.

I agree with this.  3 years was just too long -- I can't even begin to imagine why someone would wait 3 years for someone who dumped her after a one night stand.

What would have worked better?  Have a reconciliation happen just after Leandra.  Then in act 3, have a dialog with him after Denarius where he is actually ready for more of a commitment.  You would have something far more realistic AND see a relationship actually mature instead of stay in stasis for 3 years.

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 avril 2011 - 05:44 .

[Lenimph]

 Bioware has yet to make a single male LI that has rocked my socks.  Alistair... ehh kinda whiny... Zevran.... NO... and don't even get me started on the Mass Effect games . Fenris was close but meh... Varric would have stood a chance... even being a dwarf but alas twas not ment to be.
But it doesn't matter anyway cause I'm bi and the female love interests are AWESOME.  

Modifié par Lenimph, 25 avril 2011 - 05:55 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Lenimph wrote...

 Bioware has yet to make a single male LI that has rocked my socks.  Alistair... ehh kinda whiny... Zevran.... NO... and don't even get me started on the Mass Effect games . Fenris was close but meh... Varric would have stood a chance... even being a dwarf but alas twas not ment to be.
But it doesn't matter anyway cause I'm bi and the female love interests are AWESOME.  

Do you think it is possible to have a male love interest that is both awesome and yet does not steal the spotlight from the protagonist? Maybe an example in media, either current or historical?

[Cazlee]

Donnic was pretty awesome and didn't steal the spotlight from Aveline.

[KnightofPhoenix]

hoorayforicecream wrote...
Do you think it is possible to have a male love interest that is both awesome and yet does not steal the spotlight from the protagonist? Maybe an example in media, either current or historical?

Yes, Garrus.

[Maria Caliban]

1. It's Lady Hawke, not FemHawke. This isn't ME. That said, at least you didn't use Fem!Hawke.

2. Lady Hawke has four romance choices. Dude Hawke has four romance choices. It's fine if you swing that way, but stop talking about Fenris and Anders as though they were the only options Lady Hawke has or as though Fenris and Anders romance problems were exclusive to Lady Hawke. A queer Guy Hawke can have the exact same thing happen.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Everyone has issues.

But they are more subtle about it. To a certain extent.

In DA2, they feel comfortable telling us eveything in the first meeting.

I don't recall Merrill or Isabela discussing personal issue in your first meeting with them. Isabela's focused on an external problem and if you question Merrill, she'll lie and obfuscate.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 25 avril 2011 - 06:09 .

[Mr.House]

Maria Caliban wrote...

1. It's Lady Hawke, not FemHawke. This isn't ME. That said, at least you didn't use Fem!Hawke.

2. Lady Hawke has four romance choices. Dude Hawke has four romance choices. It's fine if you swing that way, but stop talking about Fenris and Anders as though they were the only options Lady Hawke has or as though Fenris and Anders romance problems were exclusive to Lady Hawke. A queer Guy Hawke can have the exact same thing happen.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

But they are more subtle about it. To a certain extent.

In DA2, they feel comfortable telling us eveything in the first meeting.

I don't recall Merrill or Isabela discussing personal issue in your first meeting with them. Isabela's focused on an external problem and if you question Merrill, she'll lie and obfuscate.

Awesome post from Maria is awesome.

[Quill74Pen]

The Angry One wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Morrigan's romance was somewhat tragic, but that doesn't make it any less sweet. She ultimately had to choose and she did. She still didn't have the kind of major issues that the DA2 love interests had.

I don't know I'd think "My mother wants to kill me and take over my body, so I'll have her killed first." and "I need to have sex with a Warden to conceive a god child" are pretty up there.
That along with her mistrusting, anti-social personality due to the fact that she was brought up by an ancient sociopath gives her enough issues to outrank at least Isabela, Fenris and Merril.

While we're at it, Zevran is someone who was trained as a killer from a young age, who hides his neurosis and need for companionship behind a veneer of charm and hedonism.
Alistair suffers from huge rejection issues, is underconfident and lets his emotions rule him.
Leliana has some similar traits to Zevran with the added bonus that she may have been playing the Warden like a fiddle all along.

Everyone has issues.

The bolded part wouldn't have anything to do with her showing up as a Chantry Seeker in DA2, would it?

[shedevil3001]

i thought the romance scenes were an improvement to dao in the sense of it was spread out over all 3 acts, they wernt fantastic but i didnt hate them, like anything theres room for improvement, maybe in a dlc or expansion we might get added stuff

[TobiTobsen]

Quill74Pen wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Morrigan's romance was somewhat tragic, but that doesn't make it any less sweet. She ultimately had to choose and she did. She still didn't have the kind of major issues that the DA2 love interests had.

I don't know I'd think "My mother wants to kill me and take over my body, so I'll have her killed first." and "I need to have sex with a Warden to conceive a god child" are pretty up there.
That along with her mistrusting, anti-social personality due to the fact that she was brought up by an ancient sociopath gives her enough issues to outrank at least Isabela, Fenris and Merril.

While we're at it, Zevran is someone who was trained as a killer from a young age, who hides his neurosis and need for companionship behind a veneer of charm and hedonism.
Alistair suffers from huge rejection issues, is underconfident and lets his emotions rule him.
Leliana has some similar traits to Zevran with the added bonus that she may have been playing the Warden like a fiddle all along.

Everyone has issues.

The bolded part wouldn't have anything to do with her showing up as a Chantry Seeker in DA2, would it?

That's the point. Her anti mage attitude in DA2 and that her personal amulet in DAO was called "Seekers circle" . That and the fact that she somehow became the highest ranking Seeker in such a short time and that she knows the Divine since her Grand Cleric days. Aaaand she already told as that she has used "love" and sex as methods as a bard to fool people.

Leliana fooled us all! The Guardian knew it all along that her whole vision was fake! *spreads rumors* RUMORS FOR THE RUMOR MILL! HERESAY FOR THE HERESAY THRONE!

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 25 avril 2011 - 06:20 .

[Mr.House]

Quill74Pen wrote...

The bolded part wouldn't have anything to do with her showing up as a Chantry Seeker in DA2, would it?

No, it's that she is a bard, used sex and her looks to get the job done and has spend most of her life lying to people.

[Quill74Pen]

Heh. Leliana was notoriously hard to fully romance — i.e., get the love scene — in DAO for my characters (they'd get her approval too high too quick). So the fact that she might be a spy all along, despite her professions of true love, now make me wonder.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Maria Caliban wrote...
I don't recall Merrill or Isabela discussing personal issue in your first meeting with them. Isabela's focused on an external problem and if you question Merrill, she'll lie and obfuscate.

Isabela revealed she's into crime way too fast for her own good.
And I recall knowing that Merrill is a blood mage and pariah from the very beginning.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 25 avril 2011 - 06:25 .

[Mr.House]

Quill74Pen wrote...

Heh. Leliana was notoriously hard to fully romance — i.e., get the love scene — in DAO for my characters (they'd get her approval too high too quick). So the fact that she might be a spy all along, despite her professions of true love, now make me wonder.

I got the love scene at the middle of the game and had over 20 hours of no dialog from her except for the little dialog at the gates.

It was horrible

Modifié par Mr.House, 25 avril 2011 - 06:26 .

[hoorayforicecream]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
I don't recall Merrill or Isabela discussing personal issue in your first meeting with them. Isabela's focused on an external problem and if you question Merrill, she'll lie and obfuscate.

Isabela revealed she's into crime way too fast for her own good.
And I recall knowing that Merrill is a blood mage and pariah from the very beginning.

Crime isn't her personal issue though. Besides, Hawke and all companions can be considered criminals. Merrill even lampshades this in a banter with Aveline.

[Lenimph]

hoorayforicecream wrote...
Do you think it is possible to have a male love interest that is both awesome and yet does not steal the spotlight from the protagonist? Maybe an example in media, either current or historical?

  Varric was awesome... 
 
A manly man... something via the eptiome of what a man should be.... like Clark Gable or Clint Eastwood... or Varric... he works too.

Not these macho looking boys that have soft spots for kitties and trick you into terrorism or whine about becoming a king and constantly whine about their bromances dieing.  
Fenris wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't so damn broody.  He had the sexy voice and badassry going on but his inner turmoil is just too much for me.  
Whine whine whine whine whine...

Kinda sad when Isabela fits what I want more then the guys   Someone with a dark past that ends up doing the right thing. Well she was based on Han Solo right.  

Please Bioware no more squishy men? Is this even possible? 

Modifié par Lenimph, 25 avril 2011 - 06:33 .

[Faroth]

Well, my FemHawke managed to romance Anders, supported the mages in their plight, and he up and used her to commit an act of murderous terrorism to force a war.

Srsly, Anders....y u b'n a jerk, bro?

So much of my "choices" in DA2 proved so pointless and to have no effect whatsoever on the Squarenix style RPG, I have little motivation to play through again. But with Leliana saying the Champion and Warden both disappearing can't be coincidence, it makes me really wish my Warden could show up in DA3 alongside Hawke and say "Dang it, HERE'S how you do it!"

Mmm...."non speaking" (he spoke in my mind since *I* voiced him >_>) Warden protagonist and voice acted Hawke in the same game. Hilarity ensues?

Modifié par Faroth, 25 avril 2011 - 06:38 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Loving cats is not a sign of manhood?