I thought he died too quick especially considering the fact that he had the cajones to tell me that he made my (in-game) mom kiss him in the foot before he killed her.
I fought him in the dungeon where there's a torture chamber nearby. I wanted to drag him there and well, i'd rather not give you the gory details.
(Braveheart spoilers)
Any of you seen the end of Braveheart where Sir William Wallace gets tortured to death? Howe's gonna get it 10x worse.
not satisfied with Howe
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ShikDiavolo
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Posté 25 avril 2011 - 01:32
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*gets a fresh supply of popcorn and soda*ShikDiavolo wrote...
(Braveheart spoilers)
Any of you seen the end of Braveheart where Sir William Wallace gets tortured to death? Howe's gonna get it 10x worse.
Start the show!
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Posté 25 avril 2011 - 02:31
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I do wish you could do more in the cut scene, get an option to be merciful and kill him quickly or to torture him. The way the game mechanics work the best my Cousland Warden can do is to save the game beforehand to make sure the Warden gets the final blow and make sure my Cousland is equipped with the family sword for that fight.
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Posté 25 avril 2011 - 02:52
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I agree, especially after Howe says, "I deserved more.". He certainly deserved...a more satisfying death, which would end up with Howe's head hanging over the entrance to his estate and my mabari snacking on his bones.
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Posté 26 avril 2011 - 01:32
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ShikDiavolo wrote...
I thought he died too quick especially considering the fact that he had the cajones to tell me that he made my (in-game) mom kiss him in the foot before he killed her.
The irony here is, that in order to get this line, you basically have to be as big a ****** as Howe. Because the only time he tells you he made Elanor kiss his foot is after you tell him you are going to kill his wife and children. Who had nothing to do with his treachery.
Thus, really, in the end, you are saying that you are as petty a scumbag as Howe was.
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Posté 26 avril 2011 - 01:52
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I think the VO notes said something like this "Let me show you how it's really done".
It's despicable, but kind of badass.
It's despicable, but kind of badass.
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Posté 26 avril 2011 - 02:02
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I much prefer him tripping out about "that look". That look in the eye that marks Cousland successes. Like, how I am about to successfully disembowel him on the dungeon floor. And I didn't even actively seek it; the Fates put Howe directly in my way.
But his family, unless directly complicit, don't figure into it.
But his family, unless directly complicit, don't figure into it.
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Posté 26 avril 2011 - 02:14
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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
The irony here is, that in order to get this line, you basically have to be as big a ****** as Howe. Because the only time he tells you he made Elanor kiss his foot is after you tell him you are going to kill his wife and children. Who had nothing to do with his treachery.
Thus, really, in the end, you are saying that you are as petty a scumbag as Howe was.
True. I wanted to kill his wife and child. Too bad they won't let you.
Torture them in front of him? That probably crosses the line.
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Posté 26 avril 2011 - 03:25
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Why would you want to kill his wife and children? They had nothing to do with it. nathaniel was in the free marches, Thomas died already, and Delilah was quite repulsed by what her father was doing. His wife was probably already dead, anyway.
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Posté 26 avril 2011 - 07:52
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I told him I would murder his family.
I never had any intention to, although I did kill Nathanial when it came up, but I wanted his last thoughts to be of his family dying.
And what do you mean why would you do it? Because you are furious about the murder of your own family.
Vengeance isn't logical, it's emotional.
I never had any intention to, although I did kill Nathanial when it came up, but I wanted his last thoughts to be of his family dying.
And what do you mean why would you do it? Because you are furious about the murder of your own family.
Vengeance isn't logical, it's emotional.
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Posté 26 avril 2011 - 09:38
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I also thought the Howe scene could have been expanded, at least if the warden was a human.
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Posté 26 avril 2011 - 10:18
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It was a most unsatisfying end to a despicable character.
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 02:42
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I agree, I wanted something like the scene in ME1 where you execute Balak.
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Posté 25 février 2012 - 07:38
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frostajulie wrote...
It was a most unsatisfying end to a despicable character.
Extremely sad, but true. Cousland deserved a much better kill than that.
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Count yourselves lucky. On my first playthrough as a city elf, I REALLY wanted to confront Howe about slaughtering and enslaving the alienage elves, but the game doesn't even let you do that. You just get the same general, generic dialogue options as most non-human nobles. At least human nobles get to confront him on the personal crime he commited against them before gutting him.
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Posté 22 mars 2012 - 05:27
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Faerunner wrote...
Count yourselves lucky. On my first playthrough as a city elf, I REALLY wanted to confront Howe about slaughtering and enslaving the alienage elves, but the game doesn't even let you do that. You just get the same general, generic dialogue options as most non-human nobles. At least human nobles get to confront him on the personal crime he commited against them before gutting him.
I agree. You could at least bring it up on entering Denerim, but it would have been satisfying to have more. Even so, it still had a "full circle" sort of feeling to it. After all, here I am in the Arl of Denerim's estate hunting down a human noble who did terrible things to my people. Feels like I've gone down this road before. For me, that's why I agreed to go in the first place. I thought it could very well be a trap, but if I might get the chance to kill Arl Howe, I'm going. It's not just human noble Wardens wanting to exact vengeance.
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 03:33
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RonixisJK wrote...
Faerunner wrote...
Count yourselves lucky. On my first playthrough as a city elf, I REALLY wanted to confront Howe about slaughtering and enslaving the alienage elves, but the game doesn't even let you do that. You just get the same general, generic dialogue options as most non-human nobles. At least human nobles get to confront him on the personal crime he commited against them before gutting him.
I agree. You could at least bring it up on entering Denerim, but it would have been satisfying to have more. Even so, it still had a "full circle" sort of feeling to it. After all, here I am in the Arl of Denerim's estate hunting down a human noble who did terrible things to my people. Feels like I've gone down this road before. For me, that's why I agreed to go in the first place. I thought it could very well be a trap, but if I might get the chance to kill Arl Howe, I'm going. It's not just human noble Wardens wanting to exact vengeance.
I agree completely. After you call the Landsmeet with Eamon and are confronted by Loghain and his posse, you can identify Howe as the one that has been slaughtering your people over the last several months, but he just makes a snide comment and any threat or insult you throw back at him gets shot down by Ser Cauthrien telling you to essentially shut up and keep your head down. And that's it; you keep quiet, the conversation changes and not another f*ck is given by anyone else that year.
The thing that bothers me about Howe's treatment of the Denerim Alienage is how little attention is paid in the story and out. A "purge" does not involve hosing down the streets to make the walkways cleaner, he literally locked the gates so no one could get out and captured, tortured and butchered people inside like animals. While the elves were still reeling from the months-long slaughter of their people, he (supposedly) deliberately spread a contagious disease so that they would allow the Tevinter "healers" inside without question. So while roughly a third of the remaining population is left to cough and die all over the streets, the relatively few healthy survivors are spirited away to be slaves to the same empire that had f*cked their race over in the first place.
And the biggest insult is that the city elven Warden does not learn about the slavery until after Howe is dead. You know about the purge and can call him out on it once, but no one cares when you do and you can never bring it up again even when you go to kill him, and you don't even learn that the purge was only the tip of the ice burg until it's too late to confront him about it.
I know the atrocities Arl Howe commits against the Cousland family are horrible and deserve closure. I just feel that the Denerim Alienage deserves just as much vengeance against "The Butcher of Denerim" and they receive even less of an opportunity to get it. *sigh*
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 04:10
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If anyone can inspire this much hatred in a character, it's Timothy James Curry.
My favorite Cardinal Richelieu.
My favorite Cardinal Richelieu.
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Posté 30 mars 2012 - 11:09
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He's a mass murdering psychopath who deserves to die the slowest death - but I'm content with slaying him in one-on-one combat with the family sword, then having my faithful Mabari stand next to his corpse and "relieve himself on an inconspicuous area nearby."
I just wish the dialogue for him wasn't bugged - he never says the "your parents died on your knees" bit unless you don't confront him when he and Loghain meet with Eamon earlier on (extremely anticlimactic IMHO), even though he's supposed to. Bad flag IIRC.
I just wish the dialogue for him wasn't bugged - he never says the "your parents died on your knees" bit unless you don't confront him when he and Loghain meet with Eamon earlier on (extremely anticlimactic IMHO), even though he's supposed to. Bad flag IIRC.
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Posté 31 mars 2012 - 12:56
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I just wanted to kick him once or twice. And yeah, I threatened his family, but I don't kill any of them in Awakenings. I was just torturing him with the idea that I would hunt them down. After all, at this time, I believe my brother is dead as well and, given what has happened to me as the result of the joining, I also believe that my entire family line is dead. Of course I threaten to kill his progeny! Why wouldn't I? I really wanted to kick him a couple of times after what he said about my mother. And a snappy response to "I deserved more," would have been nice too.
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Posté 31 mars 2012 - 12:59
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SuicidialBaby wrote...
If anyone can inspire this much hatred in a character, it's Timothy James Curry.
My favorite Cardinal Richelieu.
And the very best cross-dressing alien from another planet. I love him.
