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[Sainthood85]

And I dont mean hate Orsino (whos little *episode* at the end made basically no sense when broken down and analyzed, he seemed so normal and sensible) or hate Meredith (who if you hadnt realized it yet was doomed since Act 1 but we arent told because she is almost never mentioned ever until Act 3 and the specific plot item goes bye bye without any real focus until the end of the game)

I mean just hate everyone, Mages, Templars, Chantry, Qunari, etc.

The Mages keep screaming for their freedoms and if you played DA:O it seems like a very sensible request, the mages still disliked the use of blood magic and allowing them to police themselves without trigger happy knights hounding them isnt asking too much.

but in DA:2 every mage you meet outside the circle (and there's a lot) is a blood mage, possessed, homicidal, or just bonkers.  How am I expected to agree to aid people that blow themselves up into demons if you take their eyes off them for 3 seconds?  Especially if they think they are about to die, then they just seem to have an inner monologue that goes down something like this  "Well they are gona kill me anyways" *RAWR ABOMINATION TIME!*

Then you have the Chantry, who thinks its always right and can do no wrong 90% of the time, genocide of the elves and considering a second genocide on the dwarves all because they value tradition over conversion.  And they run the Templars, knights who are addicted to a mind destroying drug by the church to control them to prevent their mage hunting talents from leaving Chantry control or to better prevent them ever going rogue, believing that the best solution to a problem, any prblem, is an Exterminatus 


I just cant get behind anyone in this game, they are all terrible.  I wish we could just do to Kirkwall what I did to Amaranthine, burn it down.  But not because it is lost to an army of pure evil, but because everyone inside of it is just too dumb to let live.

Anders blowing up the Chantry gave him +25 Approval from me.

Any WHY did the elves get their models changed.  It was completely pointless and they look stupid now, definitely dont look like elves thats for sure.

[AkiKishi]

I don't know if you were supposed to have everyone. But a lot of people just wanted to walk out of Kirkwall and leave them to it.

[neppakyo]

I hate kirkwall and everyone in it, hawke included(well, varric was decent, so I'll take him out of the hate category). That is what DA2 did for me.

[LeBurns]

Dude there is a Spoilers forum.

[randName]

Yes, I think the goal of the game was for you to want to murder everyone at the end of Act 3.

[MorrigansLove]

I hate everyone in DA2, except for Varric. Whoever wrote him deserves a medal.

[sleepyowlet]

BobSmith101 wrote...

I don't know if you were supposed to have everyone. But a lot of people just wanted to walk out of Kirkwall and leave them to it.

Yep. I just wanted to grab my money and GTFO. Didn't much care for my stupid brother or my whiny mother anyway.

[OdanUrr]

Well, I don't know if you're supposed to, but it certainly helps. ;-)

[jmbrosendo]

I wanted the option to grab a blonde whig, a whip, some cuffs, and cast off with Isabella, playing "Orsino has been a very naughty boy and He needs to be punished by the blonde reppressed templar."


Seriously, after doing my best to be neutral and judge templars/mages by what they do and not who they are or represent, I just wanted to say, do whatever you want, I am outta here. Mothers dead, sister with Grey Wardens, templars don't like me, mages don't like me, Gamlen all happy with his daughter, nothing left for Hawke in Kirkwall anyways.

[Sabriana]

Yes.
At a certain point in the game I could not comprehend why Hawke didn't simply walk away from Kirkwall. There was neither reason nor logic for her to stay, and a lot of reasons for her to just take her money (and possibly the LI) and split for greener pastures. Thedas is big, the blight is over, and she's rich.

Why stay? Why? Stupid, stupid Hawke.

[Whisky]

I'll tell you why. Because Varric told Cassandra so. The truth is: Hawke died in Lothering.

[Rockpopple]

After playing both sides of Act III, I've come to the conclusion that the Templar side was written and completely finished first, but the Mage side was shoehorned in for whatever reason. Just another aspect to the theory that DA II was simply unfinished from it's original intent.

[neppakyo]

Rockpopple wrote...

After playing both sides of Act III, I've come to the conclusion that the Templar side was written and completely finished first, but the Mage side was shoehorned in for whatever reason. Just another aspect to the theory that DA II was simply unfinished from it's original intent.

Uh oh.. I agree with Rocky...

[Sabriana]

Rockpopple wrote...

After playing both sides of Act III, I've come to the conclusion that the Templar side was written and completely finished first, but the Mage side was shoehorned in for whatever reason. Just another aspect to the theory that DA II was simply unfinished from it's original intent.

I agree with you Rock. The templar side did feel far more logical and had a smoother flow than the mages side. It still had me staring in disbelief at various points, but definitely not because of an "unfinished" feeling.

The whole mage side thing just had me wonder if I was halucinating 

@ Whisky

Lies? Lies!?! Well, darn.....

[LyndseyCousland]

Spoilerrrrr.
Doesn't matter though, everyone seems to be managing to spoil the game for me whilst I wait for it to be fixed.

FUUUUU-

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

Yes.
At a certain point in the game I could not comprehend why Hawke didn't simply walk away from Kirkwall. There was neither reason nor logic for her to stay, and a lot of reasons for her to just take her money (and possibly the LI) and split for greener pastures. Thedas is big, the blight is over, and she's rich.

Why stay? Why? Stupid, stupid Hawke.

That is my biggest issue, tbh.  I certainly would have left -- especially after certain events happened.  What was keeping Hawke there?

Edti: Gah, deleted my spoilerish comments and ended up with this.  I need to pay more attention to where I'm posting!

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 avril 2011 - 06:00 .

[Night Prowler76]

LyndseyCousland wrote...

Spoilerrrrr.
Doesn't matter though, everyone seems to be managing to spoil the game for me whilst I wait for it to be fixed.

FUUUUU-

LOL, no thread is safe on these boards;)

[neppakyo]

LyndseyCousland wrote...

Spoilerrrrr.
Doesn't matter though, everyone seems to be managing to spoil the game for me whilst I wait for it to be fixed.

FUUUUU-

The normandy swoops in, destroying the chantry, while Shepard battles the geth templars and kills Saren Meridith.

[Oloria]

If you're playing as a moderate, "keep-the-peace" Hawke, then yes, you probably were meant to end up hating the lot of them. Or at the very least, feel pretty exasperated at being caught in the middle of two groups of extremists.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Everyone in Kirkwall is either ninja, mindless murderer, serial raper, abomination, possessed templar or peasant that doesn't flinch when hit by fireball AOE but could remain at one place for 7 years.

[Sabriana]

ejoslin wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Yes.
At a certain point in the game I could not comprehend why Hawke didn't simply walk away from Kirkwall. There was neither reason nor logic for her to stay, and a lot of reasons for her to just take her money (and possibly the LI) and split for greener pastures. Thedas is big, the blight is over, and she's rich.

Why stay? Why? Stupid, stupid Hawke.

That is my biggest issue, tbh.  I certainly would have left -- especially after certain events happened.  What was keeping Hawke there?

Edti: Gah, deleted my spoilerish comments and ended up with this.  I need to pay more attention to where I'm posting!

I know rite?

Well, that's it. I'll quit the game after a certain happening in Act III (I would bet 5 euros that EJ knows EXACTLY at which point *grin*). I then simply imagine that Hawke grabs you-know-who, and heads to Gwaren to have dinner with the Arlessa and her husband.


***There may be spoilers, ahrrr. Duck and Cover!!!



And no one try to tell me that Zevran was in DA 2. He was not!! That was an impersonator who was hired by the Arlessa of Gwaren and her husband to confuse the Crows. The Crow assassins are as stupid as everyone else in Kirkwall and never even realized that the impersonater didn't even remotely look like their target (must be something in the water).
So there! Capish?!?

Modifié par Sabriana, 25 avril 2011 - 06:11 .

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

I know rite?

Well, that's it. I'll quit the game after a certain happening in Act III (I would bet 5 euros that EJ knows EXACTLY at which point *grin*). I then simply imagine that Hawke grabs you-know-who, and heads to Gwaren to have dinner with the Arlessa and her husband.


***There may be spoilers, ahrrr. Duck and Cover!!!



And no one try to tell me that <ej edit SPOILER> was in DA 2. He was not!! That was an impersonator who was hired by the Arlessa of Gwaren and her husband to confuse the Crows. The Crow assassins are as stupid as everyone else in Kirkwall and never even realized that the impersonater didn't even remotely look like their target (must be something in the water).
So there! Capish?!?

I wouldn't take that bet  I have trouble playing beyond that point, and honestly, my head canon is such they'd have take off after a certain event in Act 2, where I rewrite the damn thing to make sense (as in, someone just didn't sit on the bed but instead ended the way you think it would -- they just don't actually TALK about his reaction for three years).

So that's when I would leave.  And for a mage?  As soon as a certain someone used that knowledge to get hawke to help her, she would have headed for the hills.

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 avril 2011 - 06:18 .

[Sabriana]

ejoslin wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

I know rite?

Well, that's it. I'll quit the game after a certain happening in Act III (I would bet 5 euros that EJ knows EXACTLY at which point *grin*). I then simply imagine that Hawke grabs you-know-who, and heads to Gwaren to have dinner with the Arlessa and her husband.


***There may be spoilers, ahrrr. Duck and Cover!!!



And no one try to tell me that <ej edit SPOILER> was in DA 2. He was not!! That was an impersonator who was hired by the Arlessa of Gwaren and her husband to confuse the Crows. The Crow assassins are as stupid as everyone else in Kirkwall and never even realized that the impersonater didn't even remotely look like their target (must be something in the water).
So there! Capish?!?

I wouldn't take that bet  I have trouble playing beyond that point, and honestly, my head canon is such they'd have take off after a certain event in Act 2, where I rewrite the damn thing to make sense (as in, someone just didn't sit on the bed but instead ended the way you think it would -- they just don't actually TALK about his reaction for three years).

So that's when I would leave.  And for a mage?  As soon as a certain someone used that knowledge to get hawke to help her, she would have headed for the hills.

Oh my stars! Not only did I understand every word you just wrote perfectly, I even have a good idea what you would rewrite


Should I be scared?

[aftohsix]

DA2 is really bad huh

Modifié par aftohsix, 25 avril 2011 - 06:41 .

[ejoslin]

Sabriana wrote...

Oh my stars! Not only did I understand every word you just wrote perfectly, I even have a good idea what you would rewrite [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]


Should I be scared? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Hah, not at all. Really, the way things were in game made it seem like those three years didn't actually happen -- more like Hawke was in stasis. I think when you have a beautiful, confident, successful person in their late 20s/early 30s who would be desired by all sorts of people, 3 years just pulls you out of the story -- I'm sure there are other terrific people in Kirkwell. And if there aren't, well, wouldn't that be another good reason just to take off?

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 avril 2011 - 06:36 .