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[PrinceLionheart]

lltoon wrote...

Garrus should have been made Spectre. He's the only one badass enough to be made one.

Ashley/Kaidan were too busy going 'boo hoo you joined Cerberus'.

Garrus probably would've been a spectre if he didn't have a habit of bailing whenever he gets annoyed of having to work in the system. Honestly, Garrus has a lot of skills, but I think he would be a bad Spectre.

[stu117]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Insom wrote...

Ashley can take out Wrex. She is far from average. Shepard is the only other person capable of killing Wrex.

But Shepard is the only one who dares to shoot Wrex in the face.

"Hey Wrex, turn and face Ashley so she can kill you"
"Okay Shepard"

oh wait...that's not a dialogue option.

cuz she would die
wrex>every1 else

Modifié par stu117, 25 avril 2011 - 07:46 .

[Someone With Mass]

lltoon wrote...

Garrus should have been made Spectre. He's the only one badass enough to be made one.

Ashley/Kaidan were too busy going 'boo hoo you joined Cerberus'.

Pretty much.

If only he hadn't run off to be a vigilante on Omega...

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

Where is everyone getting this from? Link please?

[lolwut666]

@lltoon

Your bias against certain characters do not make others more worthy.

Ashley was arguably better than Garrus in the first game, being tougher and inflicting at least as much damage.

Kaidan was more usefull, IMO.

Garrus seems to have leveled up by the time of ME2, but he was already being considered Spectre material in ME1, and by then he, Ashley and Kaidan were roughly on the same level.

All three of them are among the galaxy's finest combatants, and if one of them deserves to become a Spectre, then so do the other two.

[corporal doody]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Where is everyone getting this from? Link please?

it isnt official. just a simple line in the character captions of the June PS3 magazine. most of the captions contain speculatory info by the author. 

Modifié par corporal doody, 25 avril 2011 - 08:34 .

[DJ CAVE SLAVE]

Kaidan better not get in my face...
Cause I'll drop that mother****er.

[ADLegend21]

lltoon wrote...

Garrus should have been made Spectre. He's the only one badass hot headed enough to be made one.

Ashley/Kaidan were too busy going 'boo hoo you joined Cerberus'.

He can be persuaded to join the spectre' but he runs off to omega so obviously he DIDN'T want to be one. He can't handle rules which is why he left. He wines about them all through Mass Effect so he runs to Omega with her Merc band of no rules. He had his chance and he blew it. Looks like Ashley and Kaidan didn't blow their chances. Plus GArrus doesn't leave Shepard's side, even teh shadow Broker notes that his development as a elader won't go well if he stays with Shepard, but he never leaves.

[corporal doody]

PurebredCorn wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Where is everyone getting this from? Link please?

It's apparently in PS3M. I found it in the "ME 3 confirmed features" thread.

the title of that topic is misleading as several bits of info believed "confirmed" were deemed otherwise shortly thereafter.

Chris Priestly wrote...

Keep in mind that nothing "quoted" is
100% guaranteed. We are still developing the game and features change,
we adapt, refine and improve. Just because you think it is there now
based off an old interview (or even a new one) that doesn't mean it will
or will not be in the game.

I only point this out so people
don't say "But I saw in a thread that "X" feature was confirmed".
NOTHING is confirmed until we ship.

[house of flies]

Darkhour wrote...

PurebredCorn wrote...

So now that we've heard about Ash/Kaidan's promotion, what kind of changes in their personalities do you think we will see? Will Kaidan still be as naive and goody-goody as he use to be? Will Ash still be as coarse and brash as ever?

Wait, what about Garrus? He's way more badass than Ashley and Kaiden combined. Those two are pretty average soldiers to be Spectres.  It really cheapens the prestige.

This

[CulturalGeekGirl]

house of flies wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

PurebredCorn wrote...

So now that we've heard about Ash/Kaidan's promotion, what kind of changes in their personalities do you think we will see? Will Kaidan still be as naive and goody-goody as he use to be? Will Ash still be as coarse and brash as ever?

Wait, what about Garrus? He's way more badass than Ashley and Kaiden combined. Those two are pretty average soldiers to be Spectres.  It really cheapens the prestige.

This

See, I never got the impression that Ash and Kaidan were supposed to be "average." Rather I felt that it was heavily implied that everyone on the Normandy (including Kaidan) was the "best of the best" chosen specifically to serve on the Alliance's new poster ship. It's been stated various places that Kaidan is an exceptionally powerful human biotic, possibly one of the most powerful in the Alliance military. I'm not sure whether some of that is just speculation, but it seems pretty plausible. As for Ash, I got the impression that she was a pretty spectacularly talented soldier whose family history had been holding her back, causing her to get crap assignments and fewer promotions than she deserved.

Are they as impressive as Shepard is now? No. But Shep didn't have the kind of glory s/he has now when he was made a Spectre... he just had one interesting plot point in his past, a good service record, and charisma.

Add to that the PR boost Ash/Kaidan got from being on your team, and they're obvious candidates. Do I think they need to be Spectres? Meh, not really. Do I think it's plausible, in-universe? Sure.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 25 avril 2011 - 09:21 .

[JaegerBane]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
See, I never got the impression that Ash and Kaidan were supposed to be "average." Rather I felt that it was heavily implied that everyone on the Normandy (including Kaidan) was the "best of the best" chosen specifically to serve on the Alliance's new poster ship. It's been stated various places that Kaidan is an exceptionally powerful human biotic, possibly one of the most powerful in the Alliance military. I'm not sure whether some of that is just speculation, but it seems pretty plausible. As for Ash, I got the impression that she was a pretty spectacularly talented soldier whose family history had been holding her back, causing her to get crap assignments and fewer promotions than she deserved.

I've yet to hear a good reason as to why Garrus would make a bad spectre (since his work on Omega was only not Spectre material because it didn't directly concern the council.... the idea of going off alone and solving problems by any means necessary is about as Spectre-esque as it can get).

That said, all of the above is very true. Kaidan is stated as being almost as powerful as an asari commando and has a list of commendations, while it's all but spelled out in ME1 that Ash is a crack commando who isn't N7 purely because of politics. Since both of them have direct experience of Spectre work and plenty of badassery in their CV, it's not really any surprise.

Plus the new Spectre-Ash is hawt. That's gotta be worth something, right?

[lolwut666]

Some people call Ash and Kaidan average for the same reason they call Jacob average: I have no idea.

Ash is one of the best soldiers in the Alliance, with great technical scores, that had only not achived as much as she could have because of politicking, while Kaidan is likely the second most powerful human biotic and is a very experienced soldier with a bunch of commendations to his credit. As for Jacob, he was once a Corsair, which are like the Alliance's answer to the Spectres, and he is an elite soldier who is also a biotic.

None of the squadmates can be considered "average" by any means.

[The Elder King]

lolwut666 wrote...

Some people call Ash and Kaidan average for the same reason they call Jacob average: I have no idea.

Ash is one of the best soldiers in the Alliance, with great technical scores, that had only not achived as much as she could have because of politicking, while Kaidan is likely the second most powerful human biotic and is a very experienced soldier with a bunch of commendations to his credit. As for Jacob, he was once a Corsair, which are like the Alliance's answer to the Spectres, and he is an elite soldier who is also a biotic.

None of the squadmates can be considered "average" by any means.

Indeed. All squad members are very skilled. I don't like some of them, but their skills is above average.

[Slayer113]

 Hey, no offence, i cant stop you but, the name of the forum has "No spoliers" in it.

[Hatchetman77]

gorrillasnake wrote...

i think they made Ash and or kaiden a spectre to bring you in.....you know to stop a rogue spectre(shepaloo) and bring him in....
nothing is better than your Love interest bringing you in for trial

That would have been awesome idea, except it's been confirmed that Ash will be a companion character with you right from the start of the game on the Normandy.  Well, they could do a quick intro mission where Ash and her team lures you to a fake rescue mission or something and takes you down.  Then she arrests you and an alliance fleet shows up to impound the Normandy. Then they could be taken to the trial on earth.  I'm sure hearing about the whole Batarian explosion thingie in Arrival and possable impending war would make her question her loyalty to you and if you should be allowed to continue doing what you're doing unchecked.

I'm thinking the Alliance could spring for a little mercenary support for Ash (or Kaiden as the case may be), so the team could consist of her, Zaeed and that new guy on your team, James Sanders, to bring you in.  Good way to introduce the new guy, good way to reintroduce Ash and having Zaeed on her team will quell the nerd rage, as i think it is generally accepted that Zaeed is as equally awesome as Shepard and thus nobody will be yelling "Shepard is unbeatable, Ash could never take him down!!!!!"   

Modifié par Hatchetman77, 25 avril 2011 - 10:47 .

[Akizora]

I would love a renegade interrupt where I shoot Ashley if she tries to "command" me.
Ashley: Commander, I just gave you a direct order.
Shepard: Sorry Ash, I don't take orders from idiots *BANG*

[Darkhour]

Schneidend wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

PurebredCorn wrote...

So now that we've heard about Ash/Kaidan's promotion, what kind of changes in their personalities do you think we will see? Will Kaidan still be as naive and goody-goody as he use to be? Will Ash still be as coarse and brash as ever?

Wait, what about Garrus? He's way more badass than Ashley and Kaiden combined. Those two are pretty average soldiers to be Spectres.  It really cheapens the prestige.

Average? Ashley's got an exemplary service record. She was just blacklisted for being a Williams and got crap assignments.

Kaidan is a powerful L2 biotic, has numerous commendations, and is a Lieutenant besides.

If Ashley had scored a bit higher maybe she would have know that it is futile to fire an assault rifle intop a swarm of insects. A spectre would have tossed some grenades up and shot them in the air with their crackshot spectre aim.

Powerful biotics can use singularities so he's not even that great .If he was a powerful biotic he'd have used a singularity instead of firing an assault rifle into a swarm of bugs. It's like fighting a fire by throwing rocks at it.

Yeah, like I said - average. Not spectre material.  I'm sure there are plenty of good soldiers out there with medals and great scores, but to make them spectres, to place them in the same league as Shepard or Saren or even Wrex? No no nooo.

I just hope they aren't party members. The last thing I want to see is a spectre getting owned by Joe Blow the mercenry. It cheapens the title having average people being spectres. What next? A volus spectre?





Yes, I am kidding... a little. 

[Antivenger]

Hatchetman77 wrote...

gorrillasnake wrote...

i think they made Ash and or kaiden a spectre to bring you in.....you know to stop a rogue spectre(shepaloo) and bring him in....
nothing is better than your Love interest bringing you in for trial

That would have been awesome idea, except it's been confirmed that Ash will be a companion character with you right from the start of the game on the Normandy.  Well, they could do a quick intro mission where Ash and her team lures you to a fake rescue mission or something and takes you down.  Then she arrests you and an alliance fleet shows up to impound the Normandy. Then they could be taken to the trial on earth.  I'm sure hearing about the whole Batarian explosion thingie in Arrival and possable impending war would make her question her loyalty to you and if you should be allowed to continue doing what you're doing unchecked.

I'm thinking the Alliance could spring for a little mercenary support for Ash (or Kaiden as the case may be), so the team could consist of her, Zaeed and that new guy on your team, James Sanders, to bring you in.  Good way to introduce the new guy, good way to reintroduce Ash and having Zaeed on her team will quell the nerd rage, as i think it is generally accepted that Zaeed is as equally awesome as Shepard and thus nobody will be yelling "Shepard is unbeatable, Ash could never take him down!!!!!"   

I... I'm pretty sure my Shepard already agreed to stand trial. Methinks that ME3 will start off with the VS (Ash for me) already by your side, or being reintroduced by Anderson.

[Elite Midget]

alienatedflea wrote...

Ashley is the female human version of saren..so basically a racist that only likes their own alien race and would never shed a tear if he/she had to kill any other aliens thats not their own race...lol thats my two cents tho

Not only are you wrong on all points but you're both naive and ignorant that insults the intelligence of all those you converse with. I hope your gene pool ends with you since the world can do without any more of your ignorance infecting society as a whole.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 25 avril 2011 - 11:11 .

[ADLegend21]

JaegerBane wrote...


I've yet to hear a good reason as to why Garrus would make a bad spectre (since his work on Omega was only not Spectre material because it didn't directly concern the council.... the idea of going off alone and solving problems by any means necessary is about as Spectre-esque as it can get).

Garrus has issues with Authority. He can be persuaded in ME1 to try out for hte sPectre's or remain with C-Sec, either way he goes of to mege wher ehtere are no ruesl and no authority. aria says  "if you make your own rules, and everyone does, Archangel is after you" He's hotheaded, which is how his team got killed in the first place, and thinks the solution to every problem is violence you ahve tostop him from shooting Harkin and stop him from shooting Sidonos. Spectre's have to be smart and have some form of diplomacy, since Violence isnt' always the answer. I could see Garrus botching missions by jumping to use force instead of using his words. The shdow broker even notes that Garrus's full potential will never be reached should he stay under sheaprd and he still stays under Shepard. He hasn't been able to step out on his own and remain sucessful or mature and continues to make hot headed decisions thatput him in messes like his recruitment mission.

[Akizora]

Antivenger wrote...

I... I'm pretty sure my Shepard already agreed to stand trial. Methinks that ME3 will start off with the VS (Ash for me) already by your side, or being reintroduced by Anderson.

I certainly hope it starts before the trial where Shepard is either captured or surrenders, because my Shepard will not "surrender" for a sham-trial when he has important business to attend to.

[Darkhour]

Insom wrote...

Ashley can take out Wrex. She is far from average. Shepard is the only other person capable of killing Wrex.

Ashley can't kill Wrex.  The sad part about ME1 was that Wrex was a better solider than Ashley, plus he had biotics which negated the point in even having Ashley. They should have given her electronics and decryption so she could at least open stuff.

Wrex has shields, armor and krogan vitality.  One pistol shot from behind isn't going to kill a Krogan Battlemaster.  That's just a plot device. They should have had everybody in the area, squad and salarians open fire on him to bring him down and he goes down in a blaze of glory (taking out 5 STG guys) with a short, moving and powerful death speech.  Then have a funeral. And at the end credits after you've beaten the game, the Virmire crater site is shown his hand burst out of his grave. Then we could expect a radioactive zombie krogan husk in ME3. Can you image having to face Biotic Wrex Husk boss!?!?!?