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[Antivenger]

Elite Midget wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

Ashley is the female human version of saren..so basically a racist that only likes their own alien race and would never shed a tear if he/she had to kill any other aliens thats not their own race...lol thats my two cents tho

Not only are you wrong on all points but you're both naive and ignorant that insults the intelligence of all those you converse with. I hope your gene pool ends with you since the world can do without any more of your ignorance infecting society as a whole.

I have so much to learn

[Elite Midget]

Better soldier? Well if you take his Biotics into the equation he is but as a pure soldier Ashley was better. Not like it matters anyway. A Team of Biotic Shepard, Wrex, and Ashley was unkillable in ME1 anyway on Insanity.

You try and make it seem like Wrex needs an army to kill him. He didn't. His back was turned, his biotics were down, and he wasen't wearing a helmet. It only takes a single shot when you don't have any protection up.

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Darkhour wrote...

Insom wrote...

Ashley can take out Wrex. She is far from average. Shepard is the only other person capable of killing Wrex.

Ashley can't kill Wrex.  The sad part about ME1 was that Wrex was a better solider than Ashley, plus he had biotics which negated the point in even having Ashley. They should have given her electronics and decryption so she could at least open stuff.

Wrex has shields, armor and krogan vitality.  One pistol shot from behind isn't going to kill a Krogan Battlemaster.  That's just a plot device. They should have had everybody in the area, squad and salarians open fire on him to bring him down and he goes down in a blaze of glory (taking out 5 STG guys) with a short, moving and powerful death speech.  Then have a funeral. And at the end credits after you've beaten the game, the Virmire crater site is shown his hand burst out of his grave. Then we could expect a radioactive zombie krogan husk in ME3. Can you image having to face Biotic Wrex Husk boss!?!?!? 

Ummmmmmm....Ashley can kill wrex if Shepard can't pursuade him, or Shepard can signal Ashley to take the shot. Wrex is also an older Krogan. Don't sleep on Ashley; She's one tough ass woman, which  is why she's earned Wrex's respect. Also in that "plot device" it's not one shot, it's one shot to get Wrex down, then several other shots to kill him while he renegerates.

[Antivenger]

So apparently, people also hate her for shooting Wrex. What the cud? Wrex was going to KILL YOU. You probably messed up pretty bad to get that anyways. Think about it this way. While Kaidan was admiring the view, Liara was hanging out with the weapon-seller guy and Tali was chatting away with Garrus. Who has your back? Who has her weapon ready in case something goes wrong? Ashley Williams.

[Annihilator27]

Kaiden: Hey Shepard,Your not the only Human Spectre anymore.
Shepard: Congrats man, Hehe *Pat on the back* "I shouldbe left you back there with Ashley"
Kaiden"What?"
Shepard"Hunh? Nothing"

[Elite Midget]

People are naive. They believe that Wrex wouldn't possibly kill them when it was clear that Bioware would have made Wrex kill your Shepard if you failed that bad. Thus they had Ashley there to insure you didn't die before the Virmire Section of the game even if you deserved to for failing that bad.

If Tali or Garrus shot Wrex no one would have called them racist or a coward. Though since Ashley is a human these things are pushed at her when she doesn't deserve such mistreatment.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 25 avril 2011 - 11:28 .

[Darkhour]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Are they as impressive as Shepard is now? No. But Shep didn't have the kind of glory s/he has now when he was made a Spectre... he just had one interesting plot point in his past, a good service record, and charisma.

Um, your backgrounds paints Shepard as a badass before he was selected. That is WHY Udina, Hackett and Anderson picked him. You don't become a spectre and then become badass. Depending on your backstory Shepard had a statue commemorating his badassery, was feared as the "Butcher of Torfan" or the guy that survived a multiple Thresher assualt on foot.  But I will admit that Garrus was a whinny lil **** in ME1 and was given badass injections in ME2 so we'll see how Ash/Kaidan is in ME3.  

[Elite Midget]

You do know that Garrus was just as whiny in ME2, right? "I failed my team, boo-hoo, and I have to kill a certian salarian doctor... I mean Sidonis!".

[Splinter Cell 108]

This is interesting since Kaiden is one of my favorites. I'm fine with him or Ashley being a Spectre. I won't care unless whoever survived is the one who brings Shepard in for the trial. The other thing I wouldn't like is if the Council pays more attention to them than to my Shepard. I hope none of those things happen.

[Antivenger]

Elite Midget wrote...

People are naive. They believe that Wrex wouldn't possibly kill them when it was clear that Bioware would have made Wrex kill your Shepard if you failed that bad. Thus they had Ashley there to insure you didn't die before the Virmire Section of the game even if you deserved to for failing that bad.

If Tali or Garrus shot Wrex no one would have called them racist or a coward. Though since Ashley is a human these things are pushed at her when she doesn't deserve such mistreatment.

Looks like Bioware put a little too much faith in their fan base. My thoughts are that it never occurred to them that people would mistake that scene as Ashley murdering your Krogan pal instead of saving your uncharismatic ass. Because, you know, a Krogan pointing a gun at you and preparing to shoot should be obvious.

Garrus... alien + reach = fan favourite. Ultimately I see him as a failed attempt at emulating Shepard. What he went through on Omega gives his character depth but... stop... moping!

[Elite Midget]

Bioware has a habit of expecting a lot from their fanbase only to watch as many in their fanbase fall far too short from the intended path.

Fans support Garrus murdering others yet they don't support a 'human' killing someone to save you when you fail that much at ME. It's a double standard situation.

If Garrus was human he wouldn't be anywhere nera as popular as he is now and would have more haters than Jacob gets.

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Antivenger wrote...

So apparently, people also hate her for shooting Wrex. What the cud? Wrex was going to KILL YOU. You probably messed up pretty bad to get that anyways. Think about it this way. While Kaidan was admiring the view, Liara was hanging out with the weapon-seller guy and Tali was chatting away with Garrus. Who has your back? Who has her weapon ready in case something goes wrong? Ashley Williams.

alllllllll this. Spectre material.

[didymos1120]

Darkhour wrote...

Powerful biotics can use singularities so he's not even that great .

Neither can Jack, Samara or Morinth.  And this is why bringing gameplay into essentially lore-based discussions is a bad idea.

[Darkhour]

Elite Midget wrote...

Better soldier? Well if you take his Biotics into the equation he is but as a pure soldier Ashley was better. Not like it matters anyway. A Team of Biotic Shepard, Wrex, and Ashley was unkillable in ME1 anyway on Insanity.

You try and make it seem like Wrex needs an army to kill him. He didn't. His back was turned, his biotics were down, and he wasen't wearing a helmet. It only takes a single shot when you don't have any protection up.

Bull****. Wrex without Biotics would wipe the floor with Ashley anyday.

That was kinda a joke, but yes, it would take more than a single pistol shot to take down a butt naked krogan, much less a krogan with shields and armor. Do you have any knowledge of krogan biology? There is a reason they get back up if you don't use "disentigrate" rounds. The only way to kill a krogan in one shot with a pistol is to put the weapon to its head and blow it's brains out at point blank range.  You can't shoot a krogan's head from behind.

[Zimary]

Ashley is kind of the Renegade choice. Shes a bit xenophobic, tight laced, traditionalist soldier. In ME3, she shouldn't be so wound up, trying to prove herself after her family history and all that. She should be a bit more mature, focused on the job instead of things like aliens on board and other such useless distractions. Bit more flexible.

Kaiden is kind of the Paragon choice. He resembles a battle worn soldier. The kind that would disobey a direct order from a superior officer to save a comrade. He should be a bit more hardened, or determined in ME3. In ME he felt a bit tired, or world weary. Now he should have a purpose and focus.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Darkhour wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Are they as impressive as Shepard is now? No. But Shep didn't have the kind of glory s/he has now when he was made a Spectre... he just had one interesting plot point in his past, a good service record, and charisma.

Um, your backgrounds paints Shepard as a badass before he was selected. That is WHY Udina, Hackett and Anderson picked him. You don't become a spectre and then become badass. Depending on your backstory Shepard had a statue commemorating his badassery, was feared as the "Butcher of Torfan" or the guy that survived a multiple Thresher assualt on foot.  But I will admit that Garrus was a whinny lil **** in ME1 and was given badass injections in ME2 so we'll see how Ash/Kaidan is in ME3.  

Man, people have been um, actually-ing me on the internet for longer than some of you have been alive. It still ain't a proper way to enter a debate, even without the "actually."

Sure, in some cases you are a gorram War Hero (my Shep certainly is), but in other cases you're an ex-gang member who is a PR nightmare waiting to happen. And you're saying that "Served on Eden Prime" and possibly "took part in the Battle of the Citadel" aren't as impressive as "survived a giant worm attack"? Almost any single story mission in Mass Effect looks better on a resume than "survived a giant worm attack."

Shepard is the person who seemed like the best candidate to be a Spectre at the time. Other races have dozens of Spectres, so obviously not every single Spectre is going to be exactly as great or exactly as qualified as every other one. And some people are picked as Spectre candidates before they have any great amount of individual distinction, and how they react to the Spectre training determines whether or not they're selected (this seems to be the SOP for Turian Spectres, or at least one way that they're chosen).

I'm not saying that Shep wasn't already a badass. I'm saying his background doesn't necessarily paint him as super impressive, especially considering that the default is earthborn sole survivor. I'm not saying sole survivors aren't as tough as the other backgrounds, I'm saying that if I was looking at a dossier, I'd put "served on Eden Prime" right up there on the same level, at least.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 26 avril 2011 - 12:26 .

[Hydralisk]

Darkhour wrote...

PurebredCorn wrote...

So now that we've heard about Ash/Kaidan's promotion, what kind of changes in their personalities do you think we will see? Will Kaidan still be as naive and goody-goody as he use to be? Will Ash still be as coarse and brash as ever?

Wait, what about Garrus? He's way more badass than Ashley and Kaiden combined. Those two are pretty average soldiers to be Spectres.  It really cheapens the prestige.

Garrus was going to become a Spectre, but then he disappeared and started fighting crime on Omega.

[Darkhour]

Elite Midget wrote...

You do know that Garrus was just as whiny in ME2, right? "I failed my team, boo-hoo, and I have to kill a certian salarian doctor... I mean Sidonis!".

Anyone would feel bad about being betrayed and watching your friends die off.  That's not whinning. That's being understandably pissed.  That's like me saying is your whinning when you talk about the man who raped and murdered your wife. ME1, on the otherhand was, "I'm a cop and have to follow rules!?! WTF, I should be able to do whatever I want." "Why is C-sec holding me back?" "I had a famous cop daddy and never quite caught on that cops can't run aroound guns blazing without consequences." Big difference.

Now Ash/Kaidans ****in and whinning about Shepard joining cerberus to SAVE HUMAN LIVES... yeah, now that's some major **** ass whinning. I wish their was a pimp hand renegade interupt.

[Elite Midget]

Darkhour wrote...

Bull****. Wrex without Biotics would wipe the floor with Ashley anyday.

That was kinda a joke, but yes, it would take more than a single pistol shot to take down a butt naked krogan, much less a krogan with shields and armor. Do you have any knowledge of krogan biology? There is a reason they get back up if you don't use "disentigrate" rounds. The only way to kill a krogan in one shot with a pistol is to put the weapon to its head and blow it's brains out at point blank range.  You can't shoot a krogan's head from behind.

You say bull**** yet Bioware had Ashley oneshot Wrex when Shepard fails his checks. So apparantly you 'can'. Hell, Shepard can shot Wrex from the 'front' and still one shot him. The other shots were just for show.

So it's clear that Bioware has established that Ashley and/or Shepard > Wrex.

[Darkhour]

Elite Midget wrote...

Bioware has a habit of expecting a lot from their fanbase only to watch as many in their fanbase fall far too short from the intended path.

Fans support Garrus murdering others yet they don't support a 'human' killing someone to save you when you fail that much at ME. It's a double standard situation.

If Garrus was human he wouldn't be anywhere nera as popular as he is now and would have more haters than Jacob gets.

Jacob is hated because he is black, has those F'ed up eyes that sag down and that weird lip curl because they gave him thick lips that work like thin lips. White people don;t like having black people come on to them or being forced to come on to a black guy.  What would the neighbors think? Completely different situation.

[Darkhour]

didymos1120 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Powerful biotics can use singularities so he's not even that great .

Neither can Jack, Samara or Morinth.  And this is why bringing gameplay into essentially lore-based discussions is a bad idea.

*cough* Yes, they can and more. Kaidan cannot.

Compare Jack and Samara's out of combat cutscense to any Kaidan cutscene ****, Samara can probably go Super Saiyan if she really wanted to and Jack can definitely do a kame hame ha.

[Elite Midget]

Darkhour wrote...
Anyone would feel bad about being betrayed and watching your friends die off.  That's not whinning. That's being understandably pissed.  That's like me saying is your whinning when you talk about the man who raped and murdered your wife. ME1, on the otherhand was, "I'm a cop and have to follow rules!?! WTF, I should be able to do whatever I want." "Why is C-sec holding me back?" "I had a famous cop daddy and never quite caught on that cops can't run aroound guns blazing without consequences." Big difference.

Now Ash/Kaidans ****in and whinning about Shepard joining cerberus to SAVE HUMAN LIVES... yeah, now that's some major **** ass whinning. I wish their was a pimp hand renegade interupt.

It is when he whines about it throughout ME1 and than whines about a nearly similiar situation throughout ME2. I fully expect Garrus to whine about 'something' in ME3 since he has a history of whinning about everything. Hell, his ME2 whinning sounded 'a lot' like his ME 1 whinning.

Yes those are all whinning moments. I would be angry if someone raped my family but I wouldn't whine about it 24/7. I would do what I had to do than moved on.

Ashley/Kaiden had many reasons to not support Shepard joining Cerberus. With them being SECTRES now it's clear that if they had agreed with Shepard they wouldn't have gotten that chance.  Furthermore you didn't bother contacting Ashley/Kaiden after you were alive and kicking or evenm asked Andersan to pass a message to them. Instead you ignored them for half the game than you expect them 'NOT' to be angry?

Hell, in the e-mail their hatred for Cerberus was just one of the reasons they were angry at that moment. You were dead, didn't contact them, and 'than' when you meet them you're part of Cerberus while they're still Alliance which means they 'can't' help you. Especially if they were on the list for the next Human Spectre.

[Elite Midget]

Darkhour wrote...

Jacob is hated because he is black, has those F'ed up eyes that sag down and that weird lip curl because they gave him thick lips that work like thin lips. White people don;t like having black people come on to them or being forced to come on to a black guy.  What would the neighbors think? Completely different situation.

That's extremely racist of you. It isn't a color issue here. Jacob got the same hate Kaiden got because he's 'human' while the rest of the cast is mostly aliens.

[nubbers666]

JaegerBane wrote...

I can only imagine what Ash's whole reaction will be to being a Spectre. Probably be a mix of Conrad Verner and Jack *shudders*

Particularly when she finds out that my Shepard is shacked up with a former-Cerberus superhottie. I bet that will go down a treat.

only thing that comes to mind is i feel bad for you

think of what shep going to do to the reapers  and X that by 10000 and you got your punishment from ash:P