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[Darkhour]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I'm not saying that Shep wasn't already a badass. I'm saying his background doesn't necessarily paint him as super impressive, especially considering that the default is earthborn sole survivor. I'm not saying sole survivors aren't as tough as the other backgrounds, I'm saying that if I was looking at a dossier, I'd put "served on Eden Prime" right up there on the same level, at least.

Sole survivor is the most badass. 

Survived an surprise assault by 10 thresther maws on foot.
Held a highly defensible position until reinforcments arrived.
Lead a TEAM into a bloodbath that got most of them killed.

I see your point. Shep wasn't all that great (unless he was sole survivor), but that was enough for people to think he was the best humanity had to offer.

Isn't the default colonist/sole survivor?

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Darkhour wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I'm not saying that Shep wasn't already a badass. I'm saying his background doesn't necessarily paint him as super impressive, especially considering that the default is earthborn sole survivor. I'm not saying sole survivors aren't as tough as the other backgrounds, I'm saying that if I was looking at a dossier, I'd put "served on Eden Prime" right up there on the same level, at least.

Sole survivor is the most badass. 

Survived an surprise assault by 10 thresther maws on foot.
Held a highly defensible position until reinforcments arrived.
Lead a TEAM into a bloodbath that got most of them killed.

I see your point. Shep wasn't all that great (unless he was sole survivor), but that was enough for people to think he was the best humanity had to offer.

Isn't the default colonist/sole survivor?

Default is Earthborn/Sole Survivor according to the wiki.

I'm not saying Sole Survivor isn't impressive. I'm saying if I'm a desk jocky who hasn't ever fought a Thresher Maw, I'm not going to think it's as impressive. It's not going to look as impressive on the vids. Thresher maws are something you only understand once you've faced 'em. It's the difference between being a war hero and being that guy who cut his own arm off to survive after he fell off a cliff. They're both bloody impressive, but when looking for glory man vs. sentient alien plays better than man vs. nature.

(Also, maybe he just circle strafed for a really long time? and nobody else thought to circle strafe? I'm just sayin')

Honestly I think all the "service history" backgrounds are designed to represent an equal level of badass.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 26 avril 2011 - 01:06 .

[didymos1120]

Darkhour wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Powerful biotics can use singularities so he's not even that great .

Neither can Jack, Samara or Morinth.  And this is why bringing gameplay into essentially lore-based discussions is a bad idea.

*cough* Yes, they can and more. Kaidan cannot.

No they can't*.  They don't have them in gameplay, nor do they ever use one in a cutscene.

*I of course believe they're capable, but you're using a double-standard.  Kaidan doesn't have that in gameplay or cutscenes, just like those three.  Doesn't mean he's necessarily too weak to create one.

[Darkhour]

Elite Midget wrote...

You say bull**** yet Bioware had Ashley oneshot Wrex when Shepard fails his checks. So apparantly you 'can'. Hell, Shepard can shot Wrex from the 'front' and still one shot him. The other shots were just for show.

So it's clear that Bioware has established that Ashley and/or Shepard > Wrex.

Sherpard shoots him at point blank range in the face, maybe even in the mouth, with a SHOTGUN.  Beleievable.

Seeing that Ashley cannot 1, 2, 3, 4 or even 5 shot any krogan in the game and given krogan physiology, both logic and the writters have established that Ashley did not 1-shot Wrex.  Just like the Warden did not behead Leliana. Canon is canon mate. Just ask Drew Karpyshyn. Sorry, bro, Ashley killing Wrex never happened.

ME1: Shepard > Wrex/Liara > Kaidan > Garrus > Anderson > Tali > Joker > Presley > Chakwas > Udina > Normandy VI > Ashley. 

[100k]

didymos1120 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Powerful biotics can use singularities so he's not even that great .

Neither can Jack, Samara or Morinth.  And this is why bringing gameplay into essentially lore-based discussions is a bad idea.

*cough* Yes, they can and more. Kaidan cannot.

No they can't*.  They don't have them in gameplay, nor do they ever use one in a cutscene.

*I of course believe they're capable, but you're using a double-standard.  Kaidan doesn't have that in gameplay or cutscenes, just like those three.  Doesn't mean he's necessarily too weak to create one.

Well, there's a massive problematic difference between Cutscene powers, and game play powers. Take whichever one you want as canon

[100k]

Darkhour wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

You say bull**** yet Bioware had Ashley oneshot Wrex when Shepard fails his checks. So apparantly you 'can'. Hell, Shepard can shot Wrex from the 'front' and still one shot him. The other shots were just for show.

So it's clear that Bioware has established that Ashley and/or Shepard > Wrex.

Sherpard shoots him at point blank range in the face, maybe even in the mouth, with a SHOTGUN.  Beleievable.

Seeing that Ashley cannot 1, 2, 3, 4 or even 5 shot any krogan in the game and given krogan physiology, both logic and the writters have established that Ashley did not 1-shot Wrex.  Just like the Warden did not behead Leliana. Canon is canon mate. Just ask Drew Karpyshyn. Sorry, bro, Ashley killing Wrex never happened.

ME1: Shepard > Wrex/Liara > Kaidan > Garrus > Anderson > Tali > Joker > Presley > Chakwas > Udina > Normandy VI > Ashley. 

More like Shepard > Wrex > Garrus = Kaiden > Ashley = Liara > Tali.

[didymos1120]

100k wrote...

Well, there's a massive problematic difference between Cutscene powers, and game play powers. Take whichever one you want as canon

No, cutscenes, dialogue and the Codex (and stuff like the novels, of course) are always what's "real" (unless explicitly noted otherwise.  E.g. a dream sequence or whatever).  Gameplay is just that: gameplay. It is always a simplification/abstraction of the lore.

Modifié par didymos1120, 26 avril 2011 - 01:14 .

[Darkhour]

Elite Midget wrote...

It is when he whines about it throughout ME1 and than whines about a nearly similiar situation throughout ME2. I fully expect Garrus to whine about 'something' in ME3 since he has a history of whinning about everything. Hell, his ME2 whinning sounded 'a lot' like his ME 1 whinning.

Yes those are all whinning moments. I would be angry if someone raped my family but I wouldn't whine about it 24/7. I would do what I had to do than moved on.

He did "do what he had to do and moved on".

Dude, don't troll a troll. You know damn well you'd be "whinning" your ass off.

Ashley/Kaiden had many reasons to not support Shepard joining Cerberus. With them being SECTRES now it's clear that if they had agreed with Shepard they wouldn't have gotten that chance.  Furthermore you didn't bother contacting Ashley/Kaiden after you were alive and kicking or evenm asked Andersan to pass a message to them. Instead you ignored them for half the game than you expect them 'NOT' to be angry?

No, they are off the radar on special assignment. If you do the citadel first and ask Anderson about them he will not tell you where they are.  Granted, it can all be summed up to bad writting/not really caring if anything makes sense on behalf of the writters, but that's another discussion altogether.

Hell, in the e-mail their hatred for Cerberus was just one of the reasons they were angry at that moment. You were dead, didn't contact them, and 'than' when you meet them you're part of Cerberus while they're still Alliance which means they 'can't' help you. Especially if they were on the list for the next Human Spectre.

Yeah, being made a spectre is far more important than thousands of colonist being taken.  Are you really saying they said F the terminous colonist, I got to consider future career options.

Modifié par Darkhour, 26 avril 2011 - 01:36 .

[Darkhour]

Elite Midget wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Jacob is hated because he is black, has those F'ed up eyes that sag down and that weird lip curl because they gave him thick lips that work like thin lips. White people don;t like having black people come on to them or being forced to come on to a black guy.  What would the neighbors think? Completely different situation.

That's extremely racist of you. It isn't a color issue here. Jacob got the same hate Kaiden got because he's 'human' while the rest of the cast is mostly aliens.

Pfft. Nobody hates Kaidan. People didn't like Jacob even before the game came out. But that's a different discussion that's not relevent to this thread. 

[didymos1120]

Darkhour wrote...

Sherpard shoots him at point blank range in the face, maybe even in the mouth, with a SHOTGUN.  Beleievable.

Shep doesn't one-shot wrex either.  First, Wrex gets whacked in the head and then shot repeatedly after falling to the ground:

[didymos1120]

Darkhour wrote...

Nobody hates Kaidan.

Uh, yeah, people do.

[Darkhour]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I'm not saying Sole Survivor isn't impressive. I'm saying if I'm a desk jocky who hasn't ever fought a Thresher Maw, I'm not going to think it's as impressive. It's not going to look as impressive on the vids.

I've never fought a T-rex, but I think I can imagine.

[Antivenger]

Darkhour wrote...

Seeing that Ashley cannot 1, 2, 3, 4 or even 5 shot any krogan in the game and given krogan physiology, both logic and the writters have established that Ashley did not 1-shot Wrex.  Just like the Warden did not behead Leliana. Canon is canon mate. Just ask Drew Karpyshyn. Sorry, bro, Ashley killing Wrex never happened.

Okay, ignoring all the other bull theories you brewed up, now you're saying "CANON IS CANON" but Ashley killing Wrex never happened? Are you really that thick or are you just trolling?  

Modifié par Antivenger, 26 avril 2011 - 01:26 .

[Elite Midget]

Darkhour you should phrase your words better. What you've said in on this page and the other pages are clearly against the rules. Change your tone before you end up getting in trouble.

[Darkhour]

didymos1120 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Powerful biotics can use singularities so he's not even that great .

Neither can Jack, Samara or Morinth.  And this is why bringing gameplay into essentially lore-based discussions is a bad idea.

*cough* Yes, they can and more. Kaidan cannot.

No they can't*.  They don't have them in gameplay, nor do they ever use one in a cutscene.

*I of course believe they're capable, but you're using a double-standard.  Kaidan doesn't have that in gameplay or cutscenes, just like those three.  Doesn't mean he's necessarily too weak to create one.

If you can fly you can do a singularity. If you are the most powerful human biotic in the known universe and can blast through walls, you can do a singularity. The lore demands it. Kaidan's only cutscene was dying on Virmire if you leave him with the bomb.

[Ultai]

I dunno why the human chars are alot less popular than the aliens. There are times when I just think the "cool" aliens are just humans wearing costumes.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Darkhour wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I'm not saying Sole Survivor isn't impressive. I'm saying if I'm a desk jocky who hasn't ever fought a Thresher Maw, I'm not going to think it's as impressive. It's not going to look as impressive on the vids.

I've never fought a T-rex, but I think I can imagine.

Yeah, and we know that when you want to represent the biggest badass action star in the history of movies, the first person you think of is Ian Malcolm.

(joke!)

[Ultai]

didymos1120 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Sherpard shoots him at point blank range in the face, maybe even in the mouth, with a SHOTGUN.  Beleievable.

Shep doesn't one-shot wrex either.  First, Wrex gets whacked in the head and then shot repeatedly after falling to the ground:

I hate that scene mainly for the fact that Shep moves so slowly and Wrex doesn't even react or try to dodge.  Both of them are going to be on edge and twitchy with guns at point blank range.  If you're going to kill Wrex, signal Ashley to do it, at least it seems more plausible.

[Darkhour]

100k wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

You say bull**** yet Bioware had Ashley oneshot Wrex when Shepard fails his checks. So apparantly you 'can'. Hell, Shepard can shot Wrex from the 'front' and still one shot him. The other shots were just for show.

So it's clear that Bioware has established that Ashley and/or Shepard > Wrex.

Sherpard shoots him at point blank range in the face, maybe even in the mouth, with a SHOTGUN.  Beleievable.

Seeing that Ashley cannot 1, 2, 3, 4 or even 5 shot any krogan in the game and given krogan physiology, both logic and the writters have established that Ashley did not 1-shot Wrex.  Just like the Warden did not behead Leliana. Canon is canon mate. Just ask Drew Karpyshyn. Sorry, bro, Ashley killing Wrex never happened.

ME1: Shepard > Wrex/Liara > Kaidan > Garrus > Anderson > Tali > Joker > Presley > Chakwas > Udina > Normandy VI > Ashley. 

More like Shepard > Wrex > Garrus = Kaiden > Ashley = Liara > Tali.

Biotic in ME1 = god.

Biotic > non-biotic

Wrex's solider-biotic deal makes him pretty tough. Liara is a goddess.. a BIOTIC GODDESS!! NIFTU CAL TREMBLES BEFORE HER WIND!!!

[didymos1120]

Ultai wrote...

I dunno why the human chars are alot less popular than the aliens. There are times when I just think the "cool" aliens are just humans wearing costumes.

Well, they are.  The costumes just happen to be made of pixels (and most races use an essentially human skeleton too).

[Zimary]

PurebredCorn wrote...

Zimary wrote...

Ashley is kind of the Renegade choice. Shes a bit xenophobic, tight laced, traditionalist soldier. In ME3, she shouldn't be so wound up, trying to prove herself after her family history and all that. She should be a bit more mature, focused on the job instead of things like aliens on board and other such useless distractions. Bit more flexible.


Kaiden is kind of the Paragon choice. He resembles a battle worn soldier. The kind that would disobey a direct order from a superior officer to save a comrade. He should be a bit more hardened, or determined in ME3. In ME he felt a bit tired, or world weary. Now he should have a purpose and focus.

That's interesting. I would have taken almost everything you said about Ash, except for xenophobic and renegade, and applied it to Kaidan... and a number of the things you said about Kaiden I would apply to Ash... as far as how they were in ME1.

I do agree with what you said about Ash being more mature and focused now that some time has passed and she's proven herself. I also agree with what you said about Kaidan being more hardend now, but I do think he was always focused.

Eh, I had a hard time deciding between Ashley and Kaiden, so I categorized them like that. I just put Ashley as xenophobic because she outwardly questions bringing aliens on the ship, and because her dad or grandad was the first to surender to aliens or whatnot. Kaiden questions it too, but he doesnt make as big a fuss about it.

As for him being focused, I meant that now he has a greater sense of purpose. In the first, he was just your crew member, but now as a SPECTRE, he should have his own plans and goals, and be striving towards them. Maybe because your goals are simillar, he rejoins you. But not because youre his comanding officer.

[Darkhour]

didymos1120 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Sherpard shoots him at point blank range in the face, maybe even in the mouth, with a SHOTGUN.  Beleievable.

Shep doesn't one-shot wrex either.  First, Wrex gets whacked in the head and then shot repeatedly after falling to the ground:

In the face is still in the face. Granted, the rifle butt knocking a krogan down in the first place seems shaddy. But I'm sure the first shot was enough.

[Darkhour]

didymos1120 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Nobody hates Kaidan.

Uh, yeah, people do.

Of course somebody is going to dislike Kaidan. Somebody dislikes Tali. Somebody dislikes Ashely. Somebody dislikes Garrus, etc. But the Jacob hate is a different beast all together.

[Darkhour]

Antivenger wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Seeing that Ashley cannot 1, 2, 3, 4 or even 5 shot any krogan in the game and given krogan physiology, both logic and the writters have established that Ashley did not 1-shot Wrex.  Just like the Warden did not behead Leliana. Canon is canon mate. Just ask Drew Karpyshyn. Sorry, bro, Ashley killing Wrex never happened.

Okay, ignoring all the other bull theories you brewed up, now you're saying "CANON IS CANON" but Ashley killing Wrex never happened? Are you really that thick or are you just trolling?  

Are you trolling with your "Bioware says Ashley > Wrex" statement?

[Darkhour]

Elite Midget wrote...

Darkhour you should phrase your words better. What you've said in on this page and the other pages are clearly against the rules. Change your tone before you end up getting in trouble.

What have I said that is against the rules?