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[didymos1120]

Darkhour wrote...

Becuase Biotic Shepard is a badass. Kaidan is just above average.

You know his exact level of power how?

[88mphSlayer]

Pwener2313 wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

Shep killed Saren, Joker killed Sovereign

Joker: Shoots at an immobilized ship once after swattingh around like a fly doing nothing.

Shepard: Forces a suicide and kicks the ass of a robotic zombie monster that has Spider Man's powers and then gets Reaper crap fall on him and he only gets a broken arm.


Huh.....

*shrugs* Shep did all the work, Joker put the bullet in the head

not like Shep needs his ego inflated anymore than it already is... he's already turning into Space Jesus for ME3

[Pwener2313]

didymos1120 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Becuase Biotic Shepard is a badass. Kaidan is just above average.

You know his exact level of power how?

He saw ME1's stats menu and saw that Biotic Shepard has more skill points then Kaidan. Very logical really.

[karatemanchan37]

Pwener2313 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Becuase Biotic Shepard is a badass. Kaidan is just above average.

You know his exact level of power how?

He saw ME1's stats menu and saw that Biotic Shepard has more skill points then Kaidan. Very logical really.

LOL

[Darkhour]

didymos1120 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

No they can't*.  They don't have them in gameplay, nor do they ever use one in a cutscene.

*I of course believe they're capable, but you're using a double-standard.  Kaidan doesn't have that in gameplay or cutscenes, just like those three.  Doesn't mean he's necessarily too weak to create one.

If you can fly you can do a singularity. If you are the most powerful human biotic in the known universe and can blast through walls, you can do a singularity. The lore demands it. Kaidan's only cutscene was dying on Virmire if you leave him with the bomb.

I've bolded the part you seem to have ignored in order to just re-state the same baseless claim.

If YOU wish to ignore what Jack and Samara can do so be it. Lore trumps gameplay. They limited talents to make each companion different. The game would be super easy otherwise.  I've seen no indication that Kaidan is a biotic badass. Above average, yes, but not on the level of Jack, Liara, or Samara. He's more of a Miranda-level biotic.

Dude: pay attention.  How is it you've twice managed to not notice I said they can of course do it.  The issue is your double standard: despite neither being able to do it in gameplay or in cutscenes, you still say they can.  But when you've got the exact same thing with Kaidan, suddenly you've decided it's impossible.  How do you know he can't?  How do you know Miranda isn't strong enough for that matter?  How much biotic strength is required for a singularity, exactly?  There is ZERO lore that rules any of the biotic squadmates out.  All we can say is that they don't have that on their ability list.  All else is supposition and guesswork.

ME2 is different than ME1. In ME1 a sentinel is a sentinel. A soldier is a soldier. Vanguard is a vanguard. Tali has some irrelevent minute difference to make her a "quarian machinist", but she's prety much an engineer just like an engineer Shep. In ME2 party member class is irrelevent or downright nonexistent in-game. They all have different skills for the sake of difference.  So the comparison is pointless.  Samara or Jack in ME1 would be like Liara, but with assault rifle/shotguns. Miranda would be like Kaidan. Jacob like Wrex (but less hp). etc.

[Darkhour]

Elite Midget wrote...

If you label others as a certian T word because they don't believe what you want to believe than your arguement bears no merit. I highly suggest you rethink, in the future, how to word your post Darkhour. At the moment all you're doing is inviteing trouble and coming off as too aggressive which will start unneeded fights.

****** for tat. I'm not the only one using the T word, but I would guess I'm the only one using it that also disagrees with your position. Fancy that.

[Darkhour]

didymos1120 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Becuase Biotic Shepard is a badass. Kaidan is just above average.

You know his exact level of power how?

I'm God. Next question.

[Darkhour]

Pwener2313 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Becuase Biotic Shepard is a badass. Kaidan is just above average.

You know his exact level of power how?

He saw ME1's stats menu and saw that Biotic Shepard has more skill points then Kaidan. Very logical really.

Wait a sec. Only I, God, can see those stats!!! Are you the Holy Spirit, cause I'm the Father.

[Antivenger]

Elite Midget wrote...
You're both naive and ignorant that insults the intelligence of all those you converse with. I hope your gene pool ends with you since the world can do without any more of your ignorance infecting society as a whole.

[JaegerBane]

ADLegend21 wrote...
Garrus has issues with Authority.

Not so much authority, it's more that he has issues with lots of restrictions and being micromanaged - he hasn't got a problem being told to do something, he has a problem with being told to do something in a specific way with no deviations. He virtually says this word for word in ME1. He doesn't seem to have any problem following Shep's authority in either game, after all.

He's hotheaded, which is how his team got killed in the first place

That's plainly false. It's made perfectly clear in ME2 how his team got killed and it's got nothing to do with Garrus being hotheaded. He lost them to betrayal.

and thinks the solution to every problem is violence

This is a gross oversimplification of his preferred methods, and you know it.

Spectre's have to be smart and have some form of diplomacy, since Violence isnt' always the answer.

There is no such stipulation. Even the codex points this out rather bluntly in that the *sole* thing that is required in spectres is an ability to get results with limited resources. The codex *specifically* mentions that spectres can be anything from diplomats to ruthless killers.

I mean, consider the three spectres aside from Shepard we've seen in the game so far. Two of them are depicted as both being highly successful and employing violence as their primary method. I can't imagine how you've managed to get the idea that diplomacy is required, as it's flaty contradicted by both games and one of the books.

The shdow broker even notes that Garrus's full potential will never be reached should he stay under sheaprd and he still stays under Shepard. He hasn't been able to step out on his own and remain sucessful or mature and continues to make hot headed decisions thatput him in messes like his recruitment mission.

Errr.... when does he make another decision that puts him in a similar situation to his recruitment mission? Have you just decided to ignore the story altogether and just make stuff up?

Modifié par JaegerBane, 26 avril 2011 - 04:46 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

As much as I'd like to see Garrus as a Spectre, I think one of the main reasons he wouldn't become one is that his reaction to "Ah yes, 'Reapers'" would be "yeah, well you can take your Spectre status and shove it." 

That's the impression I got as to why he left the citadel between ME1 and ME2 - everyone was saying "Reapers... feh" and he got tired of arguing, of defending his previous work, so he said "Screw it, I'll go be a badass for a few years, until they turn all the lights out, or they figure out how to open their goddam eyes."

[Annihilator27]

Who wouldnt want Kaiden as a Spectre?

[Kronner]

I hope neither of them is gonna be made a Spectre. Kaidan is too soft for that, and Ashley is an ordinary Soldier with no special skills or abilities.

[DJ CAVE SLAVE]

Bioware should make a super smash bros. game. Based on this thread, they'd make a killing.

[ADLegend21]

Kronner wrote...

I hope neither of them is gonna be made a Spectre. Kaidan is too soft for that, and Ashley is an ordinary Soldier with no special skills or abilities.

yeah Kaidan's a big softy, which is why he biotic kicked a Turian in the teeth for hurting a friend, killing him in the process.

Ashley's a damn fine marksman, I sem to remember Nihlus having no special skills aswell since he died about 5 minnutes into the game, same with Saren, his special skills were provided by a Reaper. Ashley needs no such "special skills" She's fine on her own.

[Someone With Mass]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

I hope neither of them is gonna be made a Spectre. Kaidan is too soft for that, and Ashley is an ordinary Soldier with no special skills or abilities.

yeah Kaidan's a big softy, which is why he biotic kicked a Turian in the teeth for hurting a friend, killing him in the process.

Ashley's a damn fine marksman, I sem to remember Nihlus having no special skills aswell since he died about 5 minnutes into the game, same with Saren, his special skills were provided by a Reaper. Ashley needs no such "special skills" She's fine on her own.

And seeing Nihlus for five minutes gives us his whole career. Right. 

[AngelicMachinery]

People are reluctant about this because they feel like it'll make Shepherd less special, search your feelings you know it to be true.

[Chewin]

ADLegend21 wrote...
yeah Kaidan's a big softy, which is why he biotic kicked a Turian in the teeth for hurting a friend, killing him in the process.

Ashley's a damn fine marksman, I sem to remember Nihlus having no special skills aswell since he died about 5 minnutes into the game, same with Saren, his special skills were provided by a Reaper. Ashley needs no such "special skills" She's fine on her own.

Excuse me, may I just hit you right in the face you....silly person

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Sometimes I feel like I should have my "in game lore examples of Kaidan and Ash's 'significantly-above-averageness'" in a text file, so I can just copy and paste it every page, because nobody ever reads the previous page of threads like this,

Sigh.

[nelly21]

Someone With Mass wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

I hope neither of them is gonna be made a Spectre. Kaidan is too soft for that, and Ashley is an ordinary Soldier with no special skills or abilities.

yeah Kaidan's a big softy, which is why he biotic kicked a Turian in the teeth for hurting a friend, killing him in the process.

Ashley's a damn fine marksman, I sem to remember Nihlus having no special skills aswell since he died about 5 minnutes into the game, same with Saren, his special skills were provided by a Reaper. Ashley needs no such "special skills" She's fine on her own.

And seeing Nihlus for five minutes gives us his whole career. Right. 

And you've seen what Ash or Kaiden had been doing while Shep was dead?

[Someone With Mass]

nelly21 wrote...
And you've seen what Ash or Kaiden had been doing while Shep was dead?

I haven't heard of anything remarkable they've done, and don't come up with the "it's classified" crap.

I'd believe if their installment as Spectres were purely political, because as of right now, Jacob Taylor has done more for the Council than they have.  

[Kronner]

ADLegend21 wrote...
yeah Kaidan's a big softy, which is why he biotic kicked a Turian in the teeth for hurting a friend, killing him in the process.

He has soft personality. He's unable to make the tough decision...which is why he never achieved the rank of Commander. Frankly, Alenko The Spectre would be beyond ridiculous IMHO, fortunately for me, he's not gonna be in my ME3.

ADLegend21 wrote...
Ashley's a damn fine marksman, I sem to remember Nihlus having no special skills aswell since he died about 5 minnutes into the game, same with Saren, his special skills were provided by a Reaper. Ashley needs no such "special skills" She's fine on her own.

Ashley is ordinary Soldier (not even officer) that happened to be on Eden Prime, and got rescued by Shepard. She has not shown any qualities past shooting Assault Rifle (with an aim bot).
I like Ashley..a lot, but she is not a Spectre material IMHO.

Modifié par Kronner, 26 avril 2011 - 07:18 .

[JaegerBane]

Kronner wrote...
He has soft personality. He's unable to make the tough decision...which is why he never achieved the rank of Commander. Frankly, Alenko The Spectre would be beyond ridiculous IMHO, fortunately for me, he's not gonna be in my ME3.

Ashley is ordinary Soldier (not even officer) that happened to be on Eden Prime, and got rescued by Shepard. She has not shown any qualities past shooting Assault Rifle (with an aim bot).
I like Ashley..a lot, but she is not a Spectre material IMHO.

I think you have to be a little more realistic regarding the material, Kronner. It's all very well branding Kaidan soft and Ashley ordinary on the basis they didn't conquer the universe or whatever, but applying the same standards to Vasir would have her being depicted as someone who's only good at crashing cars and getting pwned, or Saren, who is now the very definition of someone who defeated the object of his job and one big embarassment to the Hierarchy.

Neither of these are fair comments because they don't take into account any factors beyond the immediate circumstances, and neither does decreeing Alenko as being 'soft' when he had the balls to stay at his post and do his job right up to the end, despite the full knowledge he was screwed, or Ash just being an 'ordinary' soldier who takes rockets to the face and doesn't bat an eyelid.

That said, I'm a little surprised Ash or Kaiden have been made Spectres when people like Garrus failed.

[ADLegend21]

Kronner wrote...


He has soft personality. He's unable to make the tough decision...which is why he never achieved the rank of Commander. Frankly, Alenko The Spectre would be beyond ridiculous IMHO, fortunately for me, he's not gonna be in my ME3.

Ashley is ordinary Soldier (not even officer) that happened to be on Eden Prime, and got rescued by Shepard. She has not shown any qualities past shooting Assault Rifle (with an aim bot).
I like Ashley..a lot, but she is not a Spectre material IMHO.

Um. Kaidan is a Staff Commander in ME2, and outranks Shepard in the Alliance.

Ashley's an ordinary soldier eh? Her technical scores are exemplary and her record is spotless, but due to her family's blacklisting she's gotten all crap assignments up to her assignment on the Normandy and then she's been trained in all weapons (Sniper, pistol, shotgun, Assault rifle, and possibly heavy with ME2) her unit lvoe dher as a tough but fair Leader and Anderson sees her potential and he's councilor in most games so it's reasonable that he'd put her up for the Spectre's. What was so special about Nihlus, Saren, or Tela Vasir? From the spectre's we've seen besides Shepard, they seem like they were just put there because their species is on the council. Ashley could have defeated Nihlus and Tela Vasir on her own (in my game she does all the work on Saren but gameplay doesn't matter apparently) Seems like all Spectre's are just ordinary soldiers.