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[General User]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

There really wasn't much she could've done to help them, aside from the obvious suggestions that really didn't require her to be there:

Move the Aravels the **** away from Sundermount, manually if need be a few feet at a time. From what I can tell about the Sundermount area, it has a disturbing lack of halla. The only halla that Hawke (possibly) sees anywhere happens to be eaten by a Wyvern in MotA.

And considering that same area also displays the Sabrae clan's heraldry, it should be a place they moved to long ago.

As was said earlier, Merrill believes she'd have been a terrible Keeper if she stayed. The funny thing is -- and this goes back to what I said earlier -- that she'd be a terrific Keeper by Act 3, if she didn't have the entire clan hating her due to Marethari's slander and treachery.

I think that you might be selling Merrill a little short there.  What "she could've done to help them" was more or less boundless.

I'm not so certain her duty was to help the clan out of their predicament.

I wouldn't phrase it that way either.  Rather I am certain that her duty was to help her Clan while they were in their predicament.

I believe that falls more on the shoulders of the Keeper. The First is only supposed to learn the ways of being a Keeper, but they don't have any authority within the clan until they become Keeper. At most, she'd just be a pillar of support, but that'd be if she had more interactions with them..

Pillars are very important.  They hold up things that would otherwise fall down.

But it's made clear by Merrill that even among the Clan, she had very, very few real friends. She was friendly with the Clan, but her only friends were Mahariel, (maybe) Fenarel pre-Act 2, and maybe Tamlen. She's studied Dalish lore/history/mythos/culture/magic her whole life that she barely had any time to socialize. She is, quite literally, an enigma to her own foster clan.

She really didn't have many friends within the Clan -- nor was she really given time to socialize much with the clan -- and thus any authority she would've had, Keeper or First, wasn't much. Any support she could've given would've been miniscule at best.

Once more I have to say that I think you're selling Merrill short.  Her potential was more or less limitless, but she pretty much squandered it messing around with that eluvian.

I don't think anyone should be forced to continue living a sheltered life where they lack confidence, friends, or trust from their peers. If she was just some no-name Elf within the clan, that'd be one thing. I could say maybe she should've stayed then, even if I would've found the prospect of her continuing such a sheltered life horrible.

I agree.  It's just that I also know that subsuming personal desires so that one can be of service to the greater group is eminently noble and that deserting your family while they are in need to pursue a personal pet project is despicable.

Editado por General User, 18 agosto 2012 - 01:46 .

[dragonflight288]

Once more I have to say that I think you're selling Merrill short. Her potential was more or less limitless, but she pretty much squandered it messing around with that eluvian.

Act 1.

Random Hunter: We can't be rid of this one soon enough!

Merrill was interested in the Eluvian, but at this point when we're recruiting her, all she had was a shard. Most of the clan didn't fear her bringing back the taint, as Merethari still hadn't warned them of the non-existent danger. She just wasn't popular even before leaving the clan.

[PounceTeazle]

AgelessTimeless wrote...


While the storyline may have suggested that, she was warned NOT TO DO IT as it had KILLED SOMEONE.  She may have been able to complete the mirror, but should she have done it?  No, it is not narcissm to think that you can accomplish something.  It is however, if your purpose is ultimately your own self-glorification; which is what this was.

In RL we used and use many things that did kill people (because we use them)
Steam engines,Cars, nuclear power plants.
We accept that people die because they are that convient.

[PounceTeazle]

She is not.
If she was evil or crazy she would become an abdomination using blood magic.
My take is that she only gets away with using bloodmagic (as i understand the world of DA) because she does not want power for herself.
She has nothing to offer that demons want beside her desire to help her people so that is the only thing that makes her vulnerable to them.
If she was not "pure" in her self she could not get away with using blood magic all the time (She is designed as bloodmage in the game, if you actual use it, put points into it or not.
The warden bloodmages do get away with using it because they do not use it out of selfish motives.
Tevinters do use blood magic and do not turn into abdominations either, maybe because they do anyways what demons want (slaughter many innocents and so on)
All bloodmages who turn into abdominations in DA use bloodmagic to gain personal power or are nuts to start with.

So my take is bloodmagic is dangerous because it has that much raw power and if your intentions are in line with an demon it will get you, so it is what i like about DA, things are not as black and white as the chantry tries to imply.

Merril is an geek regading magic and lore, and highly intelligent, she will take insane risks to reach her goals but has still some grasp on responsibility taking Hawk with her (who left already a trail littered with the corpses of demons and abdominations) as failsafe.

If she was evil or stupid or nuts she would have not done so thinking that there is no risk at all and that she will come out on top by default.

One could argue that every scientist researching things more dangerous than the qualities of water is an hellspawn then, we accept on a daily basis that technologie will kill people and reason that it does help more than do harm.

[draken-heart]

PounceTeazle wrote...

She is not.
If she was evil or crazy she would become an abdomination using blood magic.
My take is that she only gets away with using bloodmagic (as i understand the world of DA) because she does not want power for herself.
She has nothing to offer that demons want beside her desire to help her people so that is the only thing that makes her vulnerable to them.
If she was not "pure" in her self she could not get away with using blood magic all the time (She is designed as bloodmage in the game, if you actual use it, put points into it or not.
The warden bloodmages do get away with using it because they do not use it out of selfish motives.
Tevinters do use blood magic and do not turn into abdominations either, maybe because they do anyways what demons want (slaughter many innocents and so on)
All bloodmages who turn into abdominations in DA use bloodmagic to gain personal power or are nuts to start with.

So my take is bloodmagic is dangerous because it has that much raw power and if your intentions are in line with an demon it will get you, so it is what i like about DA, things are not as black and white as the chantry tries to imply.

Merril is an geek regading magic and lore, and highly intelligent, she will take insane risks to reach her goals but has still some grasp on responsibility taking Hawk with her (who left already a trail littered with the corpses of demons and abdominations) as failsafe.

If she was evil or stupid or nuts she would have not done so thinking that there is no risk at all and that she will come out on top by default.

One could argue that every scientist researching things more dangerous than the qualities of water is an hellspawn then, we accept on a daily basis that technologie will kill people and reason that it does help more than do harm.

I agree to an extent. Blood magic is more of a means to an end, and with the right temptation any mage can fall prey to its lures. for example, I headcanon my warden, Chandra Amell, to that she became a blood mage to protect Leliana, her beloved.

[Gallimatia]

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Editado por Gallimatia, 29 agosto 2012 - 12:54 .

[PounceTeazle]

draken-heart wrote...
I agree to an extent. Blood magic is more of a means to an end, and with the right temptation any mage can fall prey to its lures. for example, I headcanon my warden, Chandra Amell, to that she became a blood mage to protect Leliana, her beloved.

I think the main point is that an mage not using bloodmagic can only access its personal mana pool, where bloodmagic allows to use the lifeforce of others and possibly allows to bargain with demons for more power.
So you have non bloodmages turning into abdominations (harrowing, a test to see if the mage can resist demons at all, Mages cornered (the templars daugther)) and blood mages who do not turn into abdominations (Wardens, Merrill, Hawkes father).
So an normal mage is just at less risk and an bloodmage not by default turning into the magic hulk.

I do not think we can use the fade (nightmares quest) because in my opinion that was written badly (Merrill resists her whole life demons but is turned easy? Fenris the emo elf who despises anyone commanding him just gives in? Doubtfull.

My take is that the Keeper was acting not in character, Merrill has strong feelings for her and if the Keeper stood in the entrance to the cave and said "you get only in her over my dead body" she would have not killed her to get in and to the artifact holding the demon.

All together I do like DA2 but this part was written delibgerate to an catastrophic climax neglecting the characters personalities left and right.

The Keeper was acting completly out of character, her dislike for the Eluvian (Claiming that the old elves did hide it not to be found and to stay forgotten) because it was found in an temple like structure Displayed prominently, the temple was in ruins and lost from time and possibly war but not deliberate hidden, I have seen no signs in Elf origin that it was hidden, the second mirror Morrigan used either.

For me it feels as if the author was aiming for a certain ending and just wrote it that way steamrolling over how the characters are laid out in the story and bloodmagic or the real or imagined (in the story) dangers of the mirror has nothing to do with it.

The only time an mirror was dangerous was the tainted one and that was the taint not the mirror itself {(who may have as an magical artifact powered the taint, but was never in itself dangerous.)

So from what we know from the whole story it just does not add up at all, to many holes in it and looks more like as if the author was bending the story left an right to an desired outcome and not using th characters as if they would act.

The Keeper fears the mirror MAY be dangerous but willingly allows an demon to possess her, come on!

(With all i have seen in DA about Keepers they seem to be all nutcases anyways, like risking the whole clan to an werewolf curse for revenge/over disagrement about an mirror, the first could be an exeption, but the second incident starts to make an trent here)

Merrills clan is not fond of non elves in origins but hostile like an bunch of KKK members touring the bronx to humans in DA2, I understand dislike but DA2 it feels like an set up from the go.

Younger hunters (like in origins elf) harras humans they meet in the woods but the tribe as a whole there seems to held themself by higher standards, while in DA2 they go of the scale (Only allowing Hawk to enter the camp because the Keeper knows she/he comes, so keeping there own Keeper in the dark about visitors? Really strange.

With the two examples of Keepers in origins and DA2 it is an wonder there are still clans alive imho.

[Heimdall]

Merrill was earnest and well meaning. However, she was also naive with a dose of arrogance and tunnel vision. Crazy? Evil? Narcissistic? No.

Editado por Lord Aesir, 31 agosto 2012 - 11:47 .