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[D1RT]

 So, here goes my first post.

I'm of the opinion that Shepard's dialogue with Sovereign in ME1 was one of the most awesome moments of the series to date, and Sovereign was a much more imposing antagonist than Harbinger is. I attribute this mainly to the disparity in their "voices". Sovereign's ultra-low register monotone was deeply unsettling and distinctly machine-like. Harbinger's voice, on the other hand, sounds like Mikael Akerfeldt doing Bloodbath vox without music.

So this is for Sovereign, may he, it, they rest in pieces.

Discuss.

[Herr Sovereign]

 Sometimes I wish that Harby and Sovereign switched roles within the trilogy...

[Endurium]

R.I.P. Nazara

You were a mighty nation.

[Interactive Civilian]

Sovereign was cold, commanding, assured, and indomitable.

Harbinger is a pathetic cliche.

No contest.

[follis2]

Wasn't Sovereign also basically the one who remained behind enemy lines to make sure the other Reapers could return from dark space? He's a goddamn hero.

[Kaiser Shepard]

follis2 wrote...

Wasn't Sovereign also basically the one who remained behind enemy lines to make sure the other Reapers could return from dark space? He's a goddamn hero.

A bloody icon!

[Herr Sovereign]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

follis2 wrote...

Wasn't Sovereign also basically the one who remained behind enemy lines to make sure the other Reapers could return from dark space? He's a goddamn hero.

A bloody icon!

If we lose Sovereign, the Reapers might well follow...

[Janus Prospero]

I think both voices are pretty good.

That said, when Sovereign says, "You exist because we allow it. And you will end because we demand it" it still sends chills down my back.

[Niddy']

I think the way in which they handled Harbinger was pretty poor, they made him seem like a silly Dr. Claw type enemy. He should haven't have talked as much as he did until the end.

[Severyx]

In Harbinger's defense, unless you played Arrival, you haven't interacted with him at all other than hearing his crappy one-liners and dealing with his cronies. His story isn't done yet, either. He could impress us in ME3. Stranger things have happened.

I agree, he was handled poorly. Way too much said. If he spoke once or twice during important missions, (and had something better to say), he would have had a better impact.

Sovereign was well executed. It was cold, confident and had the imminent potential to wreck everyone's day. Now he's dead. See how that worked out for him?

[TomY90]

follis2 wrote...

Wasn't Sovereign also basically the one who remained behind enemy lines to make sure the other Reapers could return from dark space? He's a goddamn hero.

i can understand why is has more of a deeper voice he has not been in hibernation for long whereas harbringer has been for much much longer (thats saying do not understand how harbringer could 'assume control' of the collectors when the reapers are meant to be preserving energy in dead space so they would likely be asleep rather than awake issues command to a giant bug.

I think it does not help the only times we here harbringer (apart from arrival dlc) is when he controls a collector so it does not quite have the same effect

[Babli]

Sovereign was the best thing that happened to Mass Effect.

And also this.

Interactive Civilian wrote...

Sovereign was cold, commanding, assured, and indomitable.

Harbinger is a pathetic cliche.

No contest.

[CroGamer002]

Harbinger might sound ridiculous, but he's the one that Reaps Earth while Sovy is in pieces.


But come on guys, give Harbinger little credit in Arrival.

[Babli]

Mesina2 wrote...
But come on guys, give Harbinger little credit in Arrival.

Too much emotion in his voice.
And he still sounds like jigsaw-

I was smiling during his speech in Arrival.

[Faolin]

The scariest moment in the entire Mass Effect series for me was right after the conversation with Sovereign on Virmire. Whatever he was doing before, the millenia-old god-machine had stopped, turned around, and started coming for ME.

That said, I found Harbinger's speech after the suicide mission restored a lot of his creepy credentials. I'd spent the entire game working up to one glorious victory, and he didn't even care. He wasn't angry. He wasn't sad. He had the same psychotic, otherwordly indifference that Sovereign showed in his prime.

[Remus Artega]

The voice and overall attitude of Harbinger makes the arrival less intimidating and more "come get some" in approach to the final game...
I swear I'll toss ME3 disc out of the window if he starts with his assuming direct control again...Reapers need to regain their respect...

EDIT: as I suggested in some other topic on the same matter...Reapers needs to view Shepard as any other human and do not address him as an annoyance or by his name at all...it would be much better if they talk to him condescendingly as Sovereign did...that would be far more machine-like...

Modifié par Remus Artega, 26 avril 2011 - 01:14 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Was anyone else annoyed that Sovereign was not the Reaper's real name?

[Severyx]

Lizardviking wrote...

Was anyone else annoyed that Sovereign was not the Reaper's real name?

No, because it would be outrageously silly to just assume that Saren (the one who found Nazara) would just know that. Besides, with Harbinger's existence in ME2, it looks like Reapers each take on second names to use when externally referring to themselves. Internally (digitally, it seems), it was Nazara. When referring to itself to anyone external to its systems, it was Sovereign. My guess is that the geth knew its real name because they communicated directly with its processes, or it least passively 'heard' Nazara's processes call themselves that.

Makes you wonder what Harbinger's real name is, doesn't it?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Severyx wrote...

No, because it would be outrageously silly to just assume that Saren (the one who found Nazara) would just know that. Besides, with Harbinger's existence in ME2, it looks like Reapers each take on second names to use when externally referring to themselves. Internally (digitally, it seems), it was Nazara. When referring to itself to anyone external to its systems, it was Sovereign. My guess is that the geth knew its real name because they communicated directly with its processes, or it least passively 'heard' Nazara's processes call themselves that.

Makes you wonder what Harbinger's real name is, doesn't it?

That is what I was hoping for. The reason I was annoyed i because I just have this nagging feeling that Bioware will forget to tell us the real names of the other Reapers. And if so, I would have just prefered them to have the Harbinger/sovereign names.

[jamesp81]

Unlike many, I don't think Harbinger sucks as a character.  I just think that Sovereign set the bar enormously high, such that no act was going to be able to follow him easily.
I remember the first time I played that part of ME1.  By then, I'd been exposed to VIs so my first thought was "VI" which is what Ashley even suggested.  Then he started talking  Definitely NOT a VI.

[CroGamer002]

Babli wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
But come on guys, give Harbinger little credit in Arrival.

Too much emotion in his voice.
And he still sounds like jigsaw-

I was smiling during his speech in Arrival.

You lie!

Harbinger was the one that was smiling.


But then again Shepard was nobody to Sovereign and so he he didn't cared much about you which helped him to be intimidating a lot.

While Harbinger on the other hand knows how big of the threat you are. You killed Sovy, his minion Saren, annihilated Geth and later on destroyed Collector Base and Human Reaper.

If Harbinger wasn't so damn arrogant, Shepard wouldn't just be an annoyance.

[Ahriman]

He was a good ship, respected Reaper and interesting enemy. He always will be in our hearts... and in our ship.

Problem of Harby's voice is that it's too 'alive'. Oh, and he never shuts up. Even Arrival didn't fix him for me. My thoughts during that dialog were "Are you again trying to be scary?"

BTW How geth knew that Reaper's mind consists from many processes?

[CroGamer002]

^You respected Sovy?

[Redhot_1]

Mesina2 wrote...
While Harbinger on the other hand knows how big of the threat you are. You killed Sovy, his minion Saren, annihilated Geth and later on destroyed Collector Base and Human Reaper.

I find this one very interesting. It would be cool to see that Harbringer is the only reaper left and Shepard ready to give the final blow and Harbringer screaming like a baby