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[Shadowrun1177]

crimzontearz wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Seboist wrote...
Another irritating thing about this whole proper armor thing is that all the Blue Suns,Blood Pack and Eclipse mooks have the sense to be wearing proper gear but not Shep's "best of the best".

Really have you seen the Vorcha? They don't wear anything really except ammo belts.

It is specified many times that Vorcha are considered pretty much animals by those who employ them....and they are usually too dumb to care

Thats not the point you can't say that all merc band mooks wear proper armor and ignore the fact that Vorcha who are typically Blood Pack don't wear armor of any kind. What people think of them is besides the point.

[Seboist]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Another irritating thing about this whole proper armor thing is that all the Blue Suns,Blood Pack and Eclipse mooks have the sense to be wearing proper gear but not Shep's "best of the best".

Really have you seen the Vorcha? They don't wear anything really except ammo belts.

They're the exception. Vorcha get battle hardened......literallly and can adapt to any envrioment. Read the codex entry on them.

[crimzontearz]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Seboist wrote...
Another irritating thing about this whole proper armor thing is that all the Blue Suns,Blood Pack and Eclipse mooks have the sense to be wearing proper gear but not Shep's "best of the best".

Really have you seen the Vorcha? They don't wear anything really except ammo belts.

It is specified many times that Vorcha are considered pretty much animals by those who employ them....and they are usually too dumb to care

Thats not the point you can't say that all merc band mooks wear proper armor and ignore the fact that Vorcha who are typically Blood Pack don't wear armor of any kind. What people think of them is besides the point.

of course you can.

Bloodpack does not put armor on Varren do they? To them Vorcha are just like varren just able to use a gun. The merc leaders just do not consider them worth spending resources on

[CajNatalie]

@Vorcha argument: Read the codex on them - they can survive anything anywhere

Now on to my post...
Why is it people keep going with the 'well maybe their shields will protect them' speculation all the time?

Well, even if those shields can do what so many keep assuming they can, why the hell not ALSO wear some damn ceramic?
Out of the people making these arguments, who's played Mass Effect?
Remember Light Armor? A full-body sealed suit (includes a helmet that can be sealed with the collar and given a breather plate over the opening under the visor) with thin but effective high-tech plates on all the right places.
Anyone could wear it... no training required.
It seals the user from pressure and toxic hazards, and even temperature hazards - though extremes required special lines of armor but you could last just long enough to do what you stepped out of the Mako to do.

In addition, shields and barriers have always shattered like glass; never to be fully relied upon (except in Casual-Veteran difficulties).
The armor under the shield was there to keep you safe when that happened.
Now there's nothing for most squadmates. And if by some magic, Jack's belt-bra enhances her naked skin to resist bullets, then what's the harm of even more protection of a real suit of armor?
Shep apparently needs the best-of-the-best... this doesn't really seem like walking the talk...

Also, for people who keep arguing about visual pleasure... once again I ask if you've played Mass Effect?
Half the time I was trying not to keep looking at my femshep's ass... whenever I was in an elevator I'd reset the urge to swoosh the camera around to admire Ash/Kaidan's ass... those armor suits were skin tight, and the plates were thin enough to keep the human (or otherwise) form as appreaciable as ever. Stick Miranda in one of those and you could stare at her ass all day AND keep her adequately protected. Stick Jack in one of those and you can still see exactly how her boobs are shaped. Same goes for Samara. And for those 3 Jacob fans out there... stick him in one of those and you'll still be able to see his ass as well as ever.

One last thing, for people arguing that a shield can somehow detect which particles are breathable air and which aren't and keep a safe atmosphere inside... why the hell does your team even wear breathers in the first place, then?
Failing at logic while failing at logic.

Modifié par CajNatalie, 03 mai 2011 - 06:32 .

[JunMadine]

Totally agree with you CajNatalie.

[Clonedzero]

honestly, i dont mind it so much in most situations. like running around on illium? thats fine. running around on omega? fine.
anything with enviomental dangers like vacuum, high pressure, toxic gas, extremes of temperature. ect. then i start going "really miranda? /jack/thane, ect."

there was plenty of times in ME2 where it forced my full N7 helmet on me for those parts, i think in those situations any of those characters wearing the casual wear looking stuff should switch over to a full suit. and have the option of using a full suit (minus the helmet of course) all the time if you prefer.

just make multiple costumes (a normal one, a full armored one, maybe an alternate look for each, or hell maybe a full armor locker like shepard has) for each person and you got the problem solved. both sides get what they want and everyone is happy.

[InvincibleHero]

Seboist wrote...

Another irritating thing about this whole proper armor thing is that all the Blue Suns,Blood Pack and Eclipse mooks have the sense to be wearing proper gear but not Shep's "best of the best".

How many of them have you killed? They don't seem to be able to survive because they wear armor. It's the same reason gangs fly their colors. To intimidate and be recognizable. It sure makes them steps above civilians but against biotics or trained soldiers or C-sec not so much.

[InvincibleHero]

crimzontearz wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

SennenScale wrote...
The rules of the setting should be maintained. ME1 squaddies couldn't wander out into a vaccuum without a sealed suit. But ME2 doesn't even bother to offer an explanation for the nipplebelt.

That's lazy.

ME1 lore also said envirosuits had weak protection yet in ME2 Shep's suit magically provides full protection with no tradeoff. There is no case of any vacuum mission besides solo Shep on some N7s in ME2. One bullet through the suit and almost as bad as not having one. Oh wait yeah self-repairing armor that the codex doesn't mention at all.

IN ME1 you were also landing on more unchated planets eg not knowing what to expect. It makes sense to have helms on until you deternmine whether the atmosphere can sustain you.

dude...wtf are you on?

The reaper corpse is in vacuum, hell a VI even tells you you are entering a de-pressurized area.

Samara's recruitment mission features toxic biotic nerve gas

The geth base has no atmosphere at all (which means it is most probably not pressurized either

one of the side missions is set on a planet with HCl atmosphere

Yes reaper was in outer space. You boarded it where there was atmosphere and as you saw it had functionality and power still.

Yes the same that only damages you after a time frame or you get TOO close. You know where it is concentrated. if you stand a foot away it does nada. I'd say there is some protection there.

Where does it state Geth base has no atmosphere? I think you mean it may have had little or no oxygen which is why breathers are sufficient.

Umm no chlorine not hydrochloric acid. Armor would be no good either. Chlorine is also not harmful to skin it is an inhaled irritant. Yes it may tear the eyes a bit but in a high sci-fi world gene-modded eyes are likely. In Miranda's case I'd say definitely.

You people do realize arguing aginst the ME2 depiction is saying BW is wrong. You know they that created everything ME. Gotta say that alone makes your argument incorrect.

[InvincibleHero]

CajNatalie wrote...

@Vorcha argument: Read the codex on them - they can survive anything anywhere

Now on to my post...
Why is it people keep going with the 'well maybe their shields will protect them' speculation all the time?

Well, even if those shields can do what so many keep assuming they can, why the hell not ALSO wear some damn ceramic?
Out of the people making these arguments, who's played Mass Effect?
Remember Light Armor? A full-body sealed suit (includes a helmet that can be sealed with the collar and given a breather plate over the opening under the visor) with thin but effective high-tech plates on all the right places.
Anyone could wear it... no training required.
It seals the user from pressure and toxic hazards, and even temperature hazards - though extremes required special lines of armor but you could last just long enough to do what you stepped out of the Mako to do.

In addition, shields and barriers have always shattered like glass; never to be fully relied upon (except in Casual-Veteran difficulties).
The armor under the shield was there to keep you safe when that happened.
Now there's nothing for most squadmates. And if by some magic, Jack's belt-bra enhances her naked skin to resist bullets, then what's the harm of even more protection of a real suit of armor?
Shep apparently needs the best-of-the-best... this doesn't really seem like walking the talk...

Also, for people who keep arguing about visual pleasure... once again I ask if you've played Mass Effect?
Half the time I was trying not to keep looking at my femshep's ass... whenever I was in an elevator I'd reset the urge to swoosh the camera around to admire Ash/Kaidan's ass... those armor suits were skin tight, and the plates were thin enough to keep the human (or otherwise) form as appreaciable as ever. Stick Miranda in one of those and you could stare at her ass all day AND keep her adequately protected. Stick Jack in one of those and you can still see exactly how her boobs are shaped. Same goes for Samara. And for those 3 Jacob fans out there... stick him in one of those and you'll still be able to see his ass as well as ever.

One last thing, for people arguing that a shield can somehow detect which particles are breathable air and which aren't and keep a safe atmosphere inside... why the hell does your team even wear breathers in the first place, then?
Failing at logic while failing at logic.

Many subscribe to the fallacy that the armor is infallible. You get shot by mass effect weapons any protection against gases, vacuum etc etc are likely to be short lived. In the novels they lasted .6 seconds or so (can't recall what Didymos said exactly) longer once kinetic barriers were down. Not a good tradeoff. They make the armor more effacious in the games than it truly is. In cutscene after cutscene like Vido being perforated by a single shot from a heavy pistol armor don't do jack. The secret is not to get shot and having more mobility without armor is the key. Cover is more important than armor.

Played both games. I don't drool over the women or pay much attention to them. They are pixelated images and I play the game for the challenge, storytelling and roleplaying.

Toxins tend to be heavier molecules than breathable air. You know how membranes work right. It only has to keep them out not atmosphere in. A fully sealed breather will protect against inhalents.

So I have a question if they made clear ceramic armor where you could still say all of jack bits then you'd have to say OK it is functional armor? RIGHT? I somehow doubt that. So it is for reasons other than it is stupid to be unarmored.

[didymos1120]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Where does it state Geth base has no atmosphere? I think you mean it may have had little or no oxygen which is why breathers are sufficient.

Legion:  "Alert. This facility has little air or gravity. Geth require neither."

I suppose you could argue that Legion only meant "oxygen" by "air", but I don't see why the heretics would bother maintaining pressure at all.

[rmann]

Keeping air lets them transmit sound waves, if they care about such things.

[Seboist]

didymos1120 wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Where does it state Geth base has no atmosphere? I think you mean it may have had little or no oxygen which is why breathers are sufficient.

Legion:  "Alert. This facility has little air or gravity. Geth require neither."

I suppose you could argue that Legion only meant "oxygen" by "air", but I don't see why the heretics would bother maintaining pressure at all.

Heretics prepare for organic guests of course.

[Seboist]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Another irritating thing about this whole proper armor thing is that all the Blue Suns,Blood Pack and Eclipse mooks have the sense to be wearing proper gear but not Shep's "best of the best".

How many of them have you killed? They don't seem to be able to survive because they wear armor. It's the same reason gangs fly their colors. To intimidate and be recognizable. It sure makes them steps above civilians but against biotics or trained soldiers or C-sec not so much.

Regardless of their skill the colored Mercs won't be dying from vacuum or toxins like the goofs on Shep's team.

[Gabey5]

i love it

[evmiller]

Elite Midget wrote...

Your Shepard must have low standards than. My Shepard expects my crew to not be dumb and actually wear proper protection when going into a combat zone.

Yeah, In ME1 I was pretty adament about my crew wearing their helmets on away missions and never let any one member have armor that was too far off the uniformity trail then the others. There's no individuals on my crew. We're a team and look and ask as one. Really bugged me in ME2 working on a corporate ship with their lax dress code. Always shook my head looking at my rag-a-muffin crew during a fight. We looked more like a bunch of thugs then a precision surgical strike team. Hopefully in ME3 I can straighten up my squad and inforce some military dicipline.

Modifié par evmiller, 04 mai 2011 - 11:18 .

[crimzontearz]

uh...exactly dude.

No suits needed INSIDE the pressurized areas, once you exit the airlock (which you do) you need a suit

[JunMadine]

Seboist wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Where does it state Geth base has no atmosphere? I think you mean it may have had little or no oxygen which is why breathers are sufficient.

Legion:  "Alert. This facility has little air or gravity. Geth require neither."

I suppose you could argue that Legion only meant "oxygen" by "air", but I don't see why the heretics would bother maintaining pressure at all.

Heretics prepare for organic guests of course.

The station was originally quarian I think.  Maybe it still could maintian a pressurized environment. As for temperature the internal computers and machinery could have kept a reasonable temperature, not a comfortable one but still.  It may be a stretch but I can let this one slide, barely though.

[crimzontearz]

JunMadine wrote...

Seboist wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Where does it state Geth base has no atmosphere? I think you mean it may have had little or no oxygen which is why breathers are sufficient.

Legion:  "Alert. This facility has little air or gravity. Geth require neither."

I suppose you could argue that Legion only meant "oxygen" by "air", but I don't see why the heretics would bother maintaining pressure at all.

Heretics prepare for organic guests of course.

The station was originally quarian I think.  Maybe it still could maintian a pressurized environment. As for temperature the internal computers and machinery could have kept a reasonable temperature, not a comfortable one but still.  It may be a stretch but I can let this one slide, barely though.

it was not

Legion specifies the station has no windows because geth consider them structural weaknesses

[JunMadine]

Are you sure I can swear I read it somewhere in game. I will check codex and wiki.

Modifié par JunMadine, 04 mai 2011 - 03:49 .

[crimzontearz]

pretty sure

[crimzontearz]

InvincibleHero wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

SennenScale wrote...
The rules of the setting should be maintained. ME1 squaddies couldn't wander out into a vaccuum without a sealed suit. But ME2 doesn't even bother to offer an explanation for the nipplebelt.

That's lazy.

ME1 lore also said envirosuits had weak protection yet in ME2 Shep's suit magically provides full protection with no tradeoff. There is no case of any vacuum mission besides solo Shep on some N7s in ME2. One bullet through the suit and almost as bad as not having one. Oh wait yeah self-repairing armor that the codex doesn't mention at all.

IN ME1 you were also landing on more unchated planets eg not knowing what to expect. It makes sense to have helms on until you deternmine whether the atmosphere can sustain you.

dude...wtf are you on?

The reaper corpse is in vacuum, hell a VI even tells you you are entering a de-pressurized area.

Samara's recruitment mission features toxic biotic nerve gas

The geth base has no atmosphere at all (which means it is most probably not pressurized either

one of the side missions is set on a planet with HCl atmosphere

Yes reaper was in outer space. You boarded it where there was atmosphere and as you saw it had functionality and power still.

Yes the same that only damages you after a time frame or you get TOO close. You know where it is concentrated. if you stand a foot away it does nada. I'd say there is some protection there.

Where does it state Geth base has no atmosphere? I think you mean it may have had little or no oxygen which is why breathers are sufficient.

Umm no chlorine not hydrochloric acid. Armor would be no good either. Chlorine is also not harmful to skin it is an inhaled irritant. Yes it may tear the eyes a bit but in a high sci-fi world gene-modded eyes are likely. In Miranda's case I'd say definitely.

You people do realize arguing aginst the ME2 depiction is saying BW is wrong. You know they that created everything ME. Gotta say that alone makes your argument incorrect.

no, the reaper has a segment in which 1: you hear a log saying they needed airlocks for it and 2 you walk OUT of an airlock into a de pressurized area

The Biotics on Samara's recruitment mission THROW those canisters at you......so much for avoiding that uh?

The Geth base thing has been explained

As for the Chlorine atmosphere world I am almost sure it  says HCl...I may be wrong but GRUNT says it stings HIM..if it stings grunt what's it gonna do to say Jack's skin??

The fact that they created the world does not mean they cannot screw up here and there, prime example, Jacob's loyalty mission

[Bluko]

 Makes complete sense once you read the codex in ME3...

Armor

In on-going effort to re-evaluate equipment procedures after the attack on Eden Prime, the Alliance found a number of flaws in it's standard issue armor. Most notable was that issued armors were highly encumbersome and prevented soldiers from moving freely. With such armor equipped it literally proved impossible for soldiers to roll into cover via standard Alliance training methods. It was deemed by Alliance Command necessary to create an armor that allowed true mobility while offering improved protection. The Alliance answer was Hardened Armor Weave Trousers otherwise known as H.A.W.T. pants. These H.A.W.T. pants provide great amounts of flexibility allowing soldiers to execute any number of maneuvers. They are also equipped with a powerful kinetic barrier able to deflect away most projectiles. In addition each set of H.A.W.T. pants has a small dark energy core that provides each wearer with a small atmospheric bubble allowing them freely to enter hazardous environments or vacuums.

While some soldiers have objected to its use, particularily female soldiers noting that they also need a top section, H.A.W.T. pants are now used universally accepted across the galaxy.


But like seiously Mass Effect is a Fantasy Game, it's clearly not meant to be like Science Fiction or anything where it's about exploring possible future technological innovations. Also don't you know how Fanatasy Armor works?

[didymos1120]

crimzontearz wrote...
it was not

Yes it was.  Read the description of it on the Galaxy Map:

Once called Haratar by the quarians, this space station was stripped of its useful technology by the fleeing Migrant Fleet when they left the Perseus Veil 300 years ago. Little more than a cold metal superstructure floating in the void, the station was removed from star charts by 2050 CE.

Scans indicate the station was reconstructed and upgraded in a massive effort that must have taken at least ten years, implying that there may have been some geth outside the Veil before their infamous attack on Eden Prime. Needing little but a fuel source, it could have been hidden here for much longer without attracting attention from the barren worlds around Tassrah or the clueless elcor in the Salahiel system.

crimzontearz wrote...

Legion specifies the station has no windows because geth consider them structural weaknesses

They obviously got rid of them.

Modifié par didymos1120, 04 mai 2011 - 08:23 .

[JunMadine]

I knew I read that somewhere thanks didymos1120.

[wolfennights]

The only time I want my squad to be unarmored and sexualized is on the Normandy.