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[Elite Midget]

They had Heavy Armor, yes, but for plot reasons the Main Characters rarely wore it outside certian instances. Since Luke was a Jedi it was 'okay' that he screwed the rules but anyone that isn't a hardcore fan would have at least questioned 'why' everyone else has to wear armor while the main characters don't. Basically it's inconsistent, bad writing, and pure laziness. That and it was fan service to the extreme in Lelia's case and Han for the women viewers.

You've yet to see one survive? Have you been watching the series at all? The stars of the show have worn armor and have been shot and survived said shots in numerous episodes. While those without armor? They die as soon as the energy/pulse/bullet/whatever left the weapon and headed towards them. Basically Armor works and it has been used to save the main characters lives on numerous occasions in that show.

Those Russians didn't have a high life expetency and you know it. Just because kevlar can't stop everything doesn't mean you shouldn't wear it. That's like telling soldiers not to wear body armor because if you get shot at a certian distances with enough force it'll be like you weren't wearing armor anyway. See how weak that logic is?

You call what Femshepard and Male Shepard was wearing in ME2 as Heavy? ME1 had heavier armor. ME2 greatly improved from the 'heavy diving suit' that you hated and made it more form fitting and natural. It looks much better than the non-protective skintight catsuits and actually offers protection hence why Shepard is FORCED to wear it in a combat zone.

I like ME:1's Armor, but Kasumi as from the Star Wars example, may have had an alloy fiber compoisit armor. So I can support stuff like that, however Jack, Miri, and Ole Blue, were all three not just fan service, but tasteless fan service. There is also no known facotrs on the endurance of a Qurian suit. In fact it may be as well or better sealed than a Suit out of NASA.

I know the rebels did have armor and for good reason. However a rebel grunt has nothing to do with your other posts that showed Padme, Lelia, or Jaina Solo wearing wooefully inappropiate armor.

[Thrombin]

Elite Midget wrote...

They had Heavy Armor, yes, but for plot reasons the Main Characters rarely wore it outside certian instances. Since Luke was a Jedi it was 'okay' that he screwed the rules but anyone that isn't a hardcore fan would have at least questioned 'why' everyone else has to wear armor while the main characters don't. Basically it's inconsistent, bad writing, and pure laziness. That and it was fan service to the extreme in Lelia's case and Han for the women viewers.

I don't think it was any of those things. It was artistic license. That and the fact that they were primarily pilots or princesses, not infantry.

I'm surprised there are this many that support Shepard having to wear full armor but are a-okay with Miranda running into a vacuum in high heels and her cleveage hanging out everywhere.

Technically, her cleavage isn't visible at all. In fact she is completely covered from the neck down in every outfit available for her in ME2. The only time you see cleavage is in the romance scene.

If it's advanced enough I see no reason why the material she's wearing couldn't be twice as protective as the best Kevlar currently available.

Regards

Julian

[joltmajor]

If they are gonna sexualize the squad armor they should do it right, and include realistic 0-G boob physics.

Right now it does no one justice.

[Nozybidaj]

crimzontearz wrote...

God forbid we have a verosimile sci fi setting with a deep rich lore that makes sense and is well and intelligently represented ingame....that would be awful...Yeah let's handwave everything because it's a game, let's give people even more reason not to take the medium seriously


headdesks

This is a good time to go back to the old "a wizard did it" explanation.  Works as well as anything else for what happened in ME2.

[crimzontearz]

Nozybidaj wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

God forbid we have a verosimile sci fi setting with a deep rich lore that makes sense and is well and intelligently represented ingame....that would be awful...Yeah let's handwave everything because it's a game, let's give people even more reason not to take the medium seriously


headdesks

This is a good time to go back to the old "a wizard did it" explanation.  Works as well as anything else for what happened in ME2.

hardly the point is it?

[Admoniter]

They can be as sexualized and unarmored as they like while on the normandy and Hub worlds. But the second we step into a combats zone/unexplored planet/etc... I expect full armor and helmets (if necessary.) Fine you like to retain freedom of movement good here's some light armor now get to work. I want my team to look like capable fighters who are capable of using their frontal lobes not like the goddamn Justice League Bioware Edition.

Modifié par Admoniter, 26 avril 2011 - 09:01 .

[Shadowrun1177]

I personally don't have any problems with what Miranda wears her outfits cover most of her body. I do think Jack and Samara's outfits are a little over the top, but I just put Jack in her alternate appearance pack outfit which I have no problem with, Samara can't do that though.

[Sandbox47]

I didn't read ^. There's too much. But I like the vanity in the games. I really regret that great games like Metro 2033 and Hellgate London are so not-vanity made. There is a wide range of punk vanity to be put into those games. And in ME2 they have the barriers and shields and face it - if you had a magical barrier protecting you, what does it matter how much armour you wear? Once bullets rip through the barrier, armour ain't gonna stop a grenade.

[Nimander]

Actually, that's pretty much what armor is for, in real life. Stopping fragments. Sure, it can stop some bullets (though not as much as you might think), but it's there to stop shrapnel from doing major damage.

It's to the extent nowadays that people who are hit with grenades (not ground zero of course) are -totally unharmed- along their torso, and they have a great deal of damage to their extremities which can't have as good armor. Or so says my brother, who was a medic in Iraq.

Edited because: I hate typos.

Modifié par Nimander, 27 avril 2011 - 01:40 .

[Sapienti]

They have barriers and shields. If this were a real situation they would take cover when their barriers and shields were getting weak rather than what the AI does. The only problem I had was characters stepping out into vacuums with nothing but face breathers on. Hopefully its addressed in ME3 but if not I wont die. "Barriers did it" is enough explanation for me as to why Samara hunts criminals in her very light armor.

What I'd like to see them do is balance things out from a cosmetic perspective if they plan on doing things the same way in ME3, unarmored characters should have sissy health/lifespans but good abilities/damage and give armored characters high health. It would make a lot of jackasses claim that the unarmored squad members are "for pros" or some **** like that I'm sure.

Lastly, if they're going for sexiness I want to see femshep's ass again. Finally played ME1 to completion as a female and when I got to ME2 I was disappointed to see that dat ass was out of camera view

[Destroy Raiden_]

Bad for bullets, space, and hazardous environments.

[Niddy']

didymos1120 wrote...

Niddy' wrote...

People who look for sex are going to see it above everything else. You are the reason why Fox News did a story on something so minimal it is comical the seriousness it receives. OMG side boob; now back to our Hooters girls in the morning.
 

That's hysterical. In multiple senses.

So what you are suggesting is people who have issues with anything sexual isn't the reason why it was even covered at all?

I'm sure they covered it because being in a vacuum without a full suit wasn't logical.

[DAFerelden91]

Miranda and Jack wear the worst outfit in the game lol It's like they are not there to fight,they are there to show off their ****** and ass..Just ugh!

[Seboist]

DAFerelden91 wrote...

Miranda and Jack wear the worst outfit in the game lol It's like they are not there to fight,they are there to show off their ****** and ass..Just ugh!

I'd argue that Samara's outfit is the worst on the count that not only is it oversexualized but it contradicts her characterization. She's supposed to be a strict "by the code" Justicar who's put aside personal enjoyment and feelings in pursuit of her duty, yet her sex crazed serial killer hedonist daughter dresses far more modestly than she does.

[AlexXIV]

It's quite ok for me because it is just fiction anyway. I mean people often complain about it being unrealistic that certain characters don't wear armor. But how realistic is the armor anyway? I mean if you are almost dead and the fight is over the combat suit 'heals' you to back to full health as if nothing happened. You cannot even recieve crippled limbs or whatever like in other games. I think people just like to complain alot about things that are not important and haven't ever been important. I honestly don't care how realistic the armor is as long as it is good/cool looking. Which can apply to either heavy armor or light armor.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 27 avril 2011 - 12:27 .

[artsangel]

crimzontearz wrote...
Open chest Thane, Catsuit Miranda and Nipplebelt jack make NO SENSE 

Actually if you have Lair of the Shadowbroker and read the medical notes dossier on Thane by Dr Chakwas it says "... Thane should continue to wear loose clothing that leaves his chest uncovered to prevent moisture buildup that could worsen the problem."

Jack, on the other hand, will never make sense, ever.

[Antivenger]

artsangel wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
Open chest Thane, Catsuit Miranda and Nipplebelt jack make NO SENSE 

Actually if you have Lair of the Shadowbroker and read the medical notes dossier on Thane by Dr Chakwas it says "... Thane should continue to wear loose clothing that leaves his chest uncovered to prevent moisture buildup that could worsen the problem."

Jack, on the other hand, will never make sense, ever.

Jack is crazy. And Thane doesn't wear loose clothing. Just look at him! The thing is hugging his... I will not say it

AlexXIV wrote...

It's quite ok for me because it is just
fiction anyway. I mean people often complain about it being unrealistic
that certain characters don't wear armor. But how realistic is the armor
anyway? I mean if you are almost dead and the fight is over the combat
suit 'heals' you to back to full health as if nothing happened. You
cannot even recieve crippled limbs or whatever like in other games. I
think people just like to complain alot about things that are not
important and haven't ever been important. I honestly don't care how
realistic the armor is as long as it is good/cool looking. Which can
apply to either heavy armor or light armor.

For me, it's not that they aren't realistic. It's not even that they make me uncomfortable.

"I'm Commander Robert Shepard. Former N7 Alliance Infiltrator. Former Council SpecTRe. Currently a DemiGod. And I, support gauntlets three times the size of your fist."

[Thrombin]

Seboist wrote...
I'd argue that Samara's outfit is the worst on the count that not only is it oversexualized but it contradicts her characterization. She's supposed to be a strict "by the code" Justicar who's put aside personal enjoyment and feelings in pursuit of her duty, yet her sex crazed serial killer hedonist daughter dresses far more modestly than she does.

All Asari are overtly sexual, though. I just started reading Mass Effect Revelation and the writer notes the seeming inconsistency of such a powerful and respected species spending so much of their time as erotic dancers and consorts. Apparently, the inconsistency is only a product of human preconceptions.

Presumably, to the Asari, their sexuality is part of their culture. The more alluring they are the more respected they are and Justicars are no exception.

Regards

Julian

[Seboist]

Thrombin wrote...

Seboist wrote...
I'd argue that Samara's outfit is the worst on the count that not only is it oversexualized but it contradicts her characterization. She's supposed to be a strict "by the code" Justicar who's put aside personal enjoyment and feelings in pursuit of her duty, yet her sex crazed serial killer hedonist daughter dresses far more modestly than she does.

All Asari are overtly sexual, though. I just started reading Mass Effect Revelation and the writer notes the seeming inconsistency of such a powerful and respected species spending so much of their time as erotic dancers and consorts. Apparently, the inconsistency is only a product of human preconceptions.

Presumably, to the Asari, their sexuality is part of their culture. The more alluring they are the more respected they are and Justicars are no exception.

Regards

Julian

That whole thing is inconsistent as Samara herself talks about her days of partying are long behind her and according to the LOTSB she got rid of all her worldly possessions. The whole dynamic of Samara vs Morinth is that they're polar opposites; One lives by a strict selfless code and the other is a hedonist only interested satisfying base desires. Logic dictates that Morinth being the sex crazed murderer that she is would be the one dressed to seduce but yet she's the one with the outfit that reveals nothing and Samara is the one with the large v neck and heels.

Samara's outfit simply doesn't add up considering what she's supposed to be and that other respectable Asari like their Councilor and Matriach Aethyta don't dress like that.

[Nozybidaj]

crimzontearz wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

God forbid we have a verosimile sci fi setting with a deep rich lore that makes sense and is well and intelligently represented ingame....that would be awful...Yeah let's handwave everything because it's a game, let's give people even more reason not to take the medium seriously


headdesks

This is a good time to go back to the old "a wizard did it" explanation.  Works as well as anything else for what happened in ME2.

hardly the point is it?

ME2 had a point?  Aside from showing off Miranda's ass obviously.

[crimzontearz]

no...Atheyta just makes sleazy jokes about public sex and tosses voluses around while headbutting krogans LOL

[Dean_the_Young]

Thrombin wrote...


If it's advanced enough I see no reason why the material she's wearing couldn't be twice as protective as the best Kevlar currently available.

Regards

Julian

Why would anyone want something equivalent to the best Kevlar available now? It's the future: they got better Kevlar there. The best Kevlar currently available will be horendously out of date.

It's like those anime geeks who like that anime, Macross, where transformable fighterjets are justified because advanced technology makes thin plane armor as tough as modern tank armor. Well then, why not make tank armor out of it?

[crimzontearz]

I think Thane would rather have some built up moisture rather than get his chest corroded by hydrocloridric acid....right?

[Thrombin]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Why would anyone want something equivalent to the best Kevlar available now? It's the future: they got better Kevlar there. The best Kevlar currently available will be horendously out of date.

It's like those anime geeks who like that anime, Macross, where transformable fighterjets are justified because advanced technology makes thin plane armor as tough as modern tank armor. Well then, why not make tank armor out of it?

The point being made was that Miranda wasn't wearing armour and that she ought to be. My point is that there's no reason to assume that just because her clothes are form-fitting they're not armour.

Obviously, the thicker and heavier you make the armour the more protection you get but that's always going to be a trade-off. The thicker and heavier it is the less agile you are in combat, the sooner you become exhausted and the less comfortable you're going to be when you're not in combat.

Not everyone is going to want to be dressed like a tank but there's no reason to assume that Miranda's outfit doesn't provide adequate protection for her role.

Regards

Julian

Modifié par Thrombin, 27 avril 2011 - 03:49 .

[Thrombin]

Seboist wrote...
That whole thing is inconsistent as Samara herself talks about her days of partying are long behind her and according to the LOTSB she got rid of all her worldly possessions. The whole dynamic of Samara vs Morinth is that they're polar opposites; One lives by a strict selfless code and the other is a hedonist only interested satisfying base desires. Logic dictates that Morinth being the sex crazed murderer that she is would be the one dressed to seduce but yet she's the one with the outfit that reveals nothing and Samara is the one with the large v neck and heels.

Samara's outfit simply doesn't add up considering what she's supposed to be and that other respectable Asari like their Councilor and Matriach Aethyta don't dress like that.

Aethyta was certainly sexually provocative with her dialogue and the Councillor was probably keen on not having her sexuality be a distraction during important briefings. It's still perfectly reasonable to assume that while humans might consider sexually provocative clothing to be demeaning or an example of someone with loose morals, Asari consider it a symbol of empowerment and superiority.
It would certainly suit Samara's purposes if potential criminals were distracted or intimidated by her attire
If Morinth's clothing wasn't suitably seductive then that's another problem entirely. I hadn't really noticed myself.