Warden for DA3
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#76
Posté 27 avril 2011 - 01:33
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I think the lead character for DA3 should be a mooseQunari
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#77
Posté 27 avril 2011 - 02:38
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I think the lead character for DA3 should be a mooseQunari Lord Voldemort
#78
Posté 27 avril 2011 - 04:26
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Pleeeeeaaaassseee. Atleast give us an option or something.
When I think of being immersed in the Dragon Age universe, I'm not Hawke, I'm the Hero of Ferelden, the Warden Commander. I slayed the Archdemon. Hawke did all his mage vs templar stuff. While I like Hawke, he isn't me. I want to impact Thedas in DA3, not watch someone else's story.
When I think of being immersed in the Dragon Age universe, I'm not Hawke, I'm the Hero of Ferelden, the Warden Commander. I slayed the Archdemon. Hawke did all his mage vs templar stuff. While I like Hawke, he isn't me. I want to impact Thedas in DA3, not watch someone else's story.
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#79
Posté 27 avril 2011 - 05:38
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some how i get the feeling that both the warden and hawk will be in the third if it is the last 1
both disappeared with out a trace both have had contact with flemath and both played a part in a major event
both disappeared with out a trace both have had contact with flemath and both played a part in a major event
#81
Posté 27 avril 2011 - 07:02
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My Warden's dead and the god baby doesn't exist, in addition to me not giving a damn about Morrigan/ the Warden or Ferelden.
#82
Posté 27 avril 2011 - 04:09
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I would love to have an option to play either my Warden or my Hawke or a third new character in DA3. If we imported our warden, we would have to be able to tweak the character design (adjust in character creator) to fit the new art style, and respec for the updated skill trees. We would also have to settle for one voice for the voice overs, say one male and female voice for each race. However, if Bioware is truly embracing choice, then this would be the next step.
As for a multiplayer platform, none of my friends play and I'm pretty shy about hooking up with strangers for this kind of thing. So, I would prefer that this is optional rather than mandatory.
As for a multiplayer platform, none of my friends play and I'm pretty shy about hooking up with strangers for this kind of thing. So, I would prefer that this is optional rather than mandatory.
#83
Posté 27 avril 2011 - 04:47
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BloodyMays wrote...
Pleeeeeaaaassseee. Atleast give us an option or something.
When I think of being immersed in the Dragon Age universe, I'm not Hawke, I'm the Hero of Ferelden, the Warden Commander. I slayed the Archdemon. Hawke did all his mage vs templar stuff. While I like Hawke, he isn't me. I want to impact Thedas in DA3, not watch someone else's story.
I agree 100%
#84
Posté 27 avril 2011 - 04:49
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Lol whatever, the Warden probably has less than 20 years left by DA2 whatever happens. The Dragon Age must go on.
#85
Posté 27 avril 2011 - 04:49
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@Patriciachr34
I feel the same way, DA is more akin to a personal story than group fantasy to me.
Any effort put into multiplayer, would neglect the original concept of the game at little long term gain.
As long as they redo the mage trees, to something more akin to how they were.
Most upgrades made no sense mage wise, just a way to boost slightly a weakened very vanilla spell list to something still more bland and weaker than DA:O.
However the more I play the less I see the warden returning for the next game.
It implies with Leliana and Cassandra that it's in the "makers hands" as the only option left for whatever task is to come.
I take this to mean some new hero will emerge from unlikely circumstance, only to be dragged into something larger.
I feel the same way, DA is more akin to a personal story than group fantasy to me.
Any effort put into multiplayer, would neglect the original concept of the game at little long term gain.
As long as they redo the mage trees, to something more akin to how they were.
Most upgrades made no sense mage wise, just a way to boost slightly a weakened very vanilla spell list to something still more bland and weaker than DA:O.
However the more I play the less I see the warden returning for the next game.
It implies with Leliana and Cassandra that it's in the "makers hands" as the only option left for whatever task is to come.
I take this to mean some new hero will emerge from unlikely circumstance, only to be dragged into something larger.
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#86
Posté 27 avril 2011 - 07:19
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I wouldn't be surprised if we get someone new as well. Although I think Bioware writes good stories, they are approaching the the story writing for Dragon Age more as an anthology rather than as a linear story telling. I know this type of writing has been done before, I believe with the Disk World series and H. Beam Piper's Federation series have several story lines within the world. I simply miss a more linear storytelling with one main protagonist. It's getting harder to "marry" myself to a new character.
I wouldn't be surprised if we get someone new as well. Although I think Bioware writes good stories, they are approaching the the story writing for Dragon Age more as an anthology rather than as a linear story telling. I know this type of writing has been done before, I believe with the Disk World series and H. Beam Piper's Federation series have several story lines within the world. I simply miss a more linear storytelling with one main protagonist. It's getting harder to "marry" myself to a new character.
#87
Posté 27 avril 2011 - 08:00
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Hmmm.... they have already said the the warden's story isn't finished so in some way we will hear more about him/her. I would prefer to continue with Hawke but they have got a plan. I will get DA3 no matter the protagonist just to see the continuation of the story for Thedas. But I am keeping my fingers crossed for Hawke at the moment.
My canon warden did the ultimate sacrifice so I guess that my warden-stuff will be continued by a orlesian warden.
My canon warden did the ultimate sacrifice so I guess that my warden-stuff will be continued by a orlesian warden.
#88
Posté 27 avril 2011 - 08:07
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I would like to see both my warden AND my hawke in DA3, but not a game where i have to fight templars of mages... AGAIN, but something bigger than that. And no, not another blight, maybe about qunari and why the hell they appeared in Thedas would be so much better. Any leftovers from DA2 should be resolved in DLC
#89
Posté 27 avril 2011 - 08:47
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I agree with you BlaCKRodjj. We should wrap up the mage/templar war in DA2 with dlc and possibly an expansion. DA3 should have a new plot.
#90
Posté 27 avril 2011 - 09:05
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I'm going on a limb, but I reckon the warden subplot in DA:2 is the expansion planned.. or one of them.
Carver seems to suggest Hawke will have close knowledge of the wardens soon enough in chapter 3, warden Hawke seems to be the favourable marketing gimick to me.
Carver seems to suggest Hawke will have close knowledge of the wardens soon enough in chapter 3, warden Hawke seems to be the favourable marketing gimick to me.
#91
Posté 27 avril 2011 - 09:13
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That seems painfully redundant. If they're going to make Hawke a warden they should've continued the Warden trilogy in DA2 instead of end it and then bring it right on back again. The magic of the Wardens has long since died.
#92
Posté 27 avril 2011 - 09:17
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True I agree it's redundant given the entire plot to DA:2, but as I have only just restarted posting here, missing the whole DA:2 run up.
How many posters cried out for it to be warden based?
Many still wish for "the" warden, just as many wanted DB content in DA.
Fans get what they cry for, but with an evil malicious twist to show they should not have asked in the first place.
How many posters cried out for it to be warden based?
Many still wish for "the" warden, just as many wanted DB content in DA.
Fans get what they cry for, but with an evil malicious twist to show they should not have asked in the first place.
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#93
Posté 27 avril 2011 - 09:19
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Viyu wrote...
That seems painfully redundant. If they're going to make Hawke a warden they should've continued the Warden trilogy in DA2 instead of end it and then bring it right on back again. The magic of the Wardens has long since died.
lol, who's talking about making hawke a warden, it would lose his charm. Would you like to play DA3 and find out it's the same game but the gallows expanded? A warden/hawke story about something else would be much more solid, while wrapping up the templar/mage plot in a expansion
#94
Posté 27 avril 2011 - 09:29
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I think you may as well make a new character because you'd basically be importing a character whose got such a self limiting backstory. Hawke had a personality but it hardly affected anything. Then suddenly it will come next game? Honestly what's the point, when you could make a new character? You can wrap it up with a new character becoming the hero, we seriously don't need Hawke. Worse, if it's Hawke we can't easily retcon some of the plotholes in DA2 as simply being Varric's embellishments in storytelling.
#95
Posté 27 avril 2011 - 09:37
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I do not want Hawk, that's for sure. It is too mixed up bad memories for people to maintain objectivity about him to the next episode. We need all the fans are back with Bioware and not only half satisfied.
Otherwise I want my Warden, yeah.
But why not a new character.
Otherwise I want my Warden, yeah.
But why not a new character.
#96
Posté 27 avril 2011 - 09:40
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If the dev team has taken the need for "origins" as a major consumer issue.
Then factor in that of all characters in game, Cullen, Cassandra, possibly Varric and maybe one of the Hawke siblings are very likely to be at least major NPC's in the next sequel.
I'd say that some of the new PC options are going to based on events in Kirkwall.
A warden and a templar are two I have money on.
Then factor in that of all characters in game, Cullen, Cassandra, possibly Varric and maybe one of the Hawke siblings are very likely to be at least major NPC's in the next sequel.
I'd say that some of the new PC options are going to based on events in Kirkwall.
A warden and a templar are two I have money on.
#97
Posté 28 avril 2011 - 02:37
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I wish we could play the Warden AND Hawke. Like there's two stories told back and forth that eventually merge into one story.
#98
Posté 04 mai 2011 - 07:11
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Niezabudka wrote...
BloodyMays wrote...
Pleeeeeaaaassseee. Atleast give us an option or something.
When I think of being immersed in the Dragon Age universe, I'm not Hawke, I'm the Hero of Ferelden, the Warden Commander. I slayed the Archdemon. Hawke did all his mage vs templar stuff. While I like Hawke, he isn't me. I want to impact Thedas in DA3, not watch someone else's story.
I agree 100%
And again, this. I'm an onlooker of Hawke's life. I WAS my Warden.
#99
Posté 04 mai 2011 - 07:16
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I kill myself in da:o, can i return from the grave?
#100
Posté 04 mai 2011 - 07:57
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Personally I'd be fine with Warden, Hawke or someone new in DA3. That said, there's nothing stopping Bioware from using the Warden in DAIII. I would like to see the Warden's story continue though simply due to the open questions regarding Morrigan and Flemeth and their connection to the Warden (even dead ones).
Here are some arguments against bringing the Warden back along with arguments against those arguments.
My Warden's dead. Therefore the Warden can't be in DA III!
False.
Well, your dead Warden can't be in DAIII. But a Warden Commander can be. The "origins" could be "New Warden Commander" for Ultimate Sac games, "Dark Ritual Warden" for Wardens that accepted Dark Ritual via Warden, Alistair or Loghain and "Non-DR Warden" for Wardens that sacrificed Alistair or Loghain.
To sell the new Warden Commander for players that went with the Ultimate Sacrifice, they could put in a statue that is based on scan of your Warden's appearance from your save file and possibly show the new Warden Commander kneeling by that statue and reflecting on the difficulty of living up the myth behind the Hero of Ferelden. The game could make references to the original warden's sacrifice.
You can't make reference to the Old God Baby because the Old God Baby isn't canon!
False.
Alistair being king isn't canon, but he's in Dragon Age II if you made him king. Something doesn't need to be canon to be in the game. If they allow for an Old God Baby in some games and have something else for Morrigan in other games, that's fine. How games have traditionally been done doesn't matter. Bioware talks about genre evolution. Fine. Evolve the genre. Put branches into the story. That's an evolution people would like to see and the marketing for such things would be better received than "Fight like a Spartan."
The Warden doesn't fit in if there's no Blight!
False.
Can a musician not a write a novel? See Steve Earle. Can a doctor not become a controversial revolutionary? See Che Guevera. Can a painter also be an engineer? See Leonardo da Vinci. The point is that a man is more than the role in which you first encounter him. If the Warden...does something different then he does something different. He need not care only about Blights. He is a revered Hero. That could bring him in contact with people. That could lead to having something to do.
Dragon Age is about Thedas not the Warden. Therefore the Warden cannot be in a sequel!
It's true that Dragon Age is about Thedas instead of one man. It's not true that the Warden can't be in a sequel. That's because Dragon Age being about Thedas is not incompatible with there being mutliple stories about the Warden. Observe:
Dragon Age: The Warden
Drage Age II: Hawke
Dragon Age III: The Warden
Dragon Age IV: Hawke
Dragon Age V: Pentaghast
Dragon Age VI: Aeducan
Dragon Age VII: Amell
Dragon Age VIII: Fox
See? In the example above, you have multiple stories starring The Warden. But all of the stories are set in Thedas. There is no contradiction there. Therefore the possibility cannot be ruled out with the info we've been given.
The Warden Disappeared at the End of Dragon Age II. Therefore he can't be in Dragon Age III.
False.
He disappeared to Leliana and Cassandra. He's somewhere. He could come back. Or DAIII could go to where he is.
Here are some arguments against bringing the Warden back along with arguments against those arguments.
My Warden's dead. Therefore the Warden can't be in DA III!
False.
Well, your dead Warden can't be in DAIII. But a Warden Commander can be. The "origins" could be "New Warden Commander" for Ultimate Sac games, "Dark Ritual Warden" for Wardens that accepted Dark Ritual via Warden, Alistair or Loghain and "Non-DR Warden" for Wardens that sacrificed Alistair or Loghain.
To sell the new Warden Commander for players that went with the Ultimate Sacrifice, they could put in a statue that is based on scan of your Warden's appearance from your save file and possibly show the new Warden Commander kneeling by that statue and reflecting on the difficulty of living up the myth behind the Hero of Ferelden. The game could make references to the original warden's sacrifice.
You can't make reference to the Old God Baby because the Old God Baby isn't canon!
False.
Alistair being king isn't canon, but he's in Dragon Age II if you made him king. Something doesn't need to be canon to be in the game. If they allow for an Old God Baby in some games and have something else for Morrigan in other games, that's fine. How games have traditionally been done doesn't matter. Bioware talks about genre evolution. Fine. Evolve the genre. Put branches into the story. That's an evolution people would like to see and the marketing for such things would be better received than "Fight like a Spartan."
The Warden doesn't fit in if there's no Blight!
False.
Can a musician not a write a novel? See Steve Earle. Can a doctor not become a controversial revolutionary? See Che Guevera. Can a painter also be an engineer? See Leonardo da Vinci. The point is that a man is more than the role in which you first encounter him. If the Warden...does something different then he does something different. He need not care only about Blights. He is a revered Hero. That could bring him in contact with people. That could lead to having something to do.
Dragon Age is about Thedas not the Warden. Therefore the Warden cannot be in a sequel!
It's true that Dragon Age is about Thedas instead of one man. It's not true that the Warden can't be in a sequel. That's because Dragon Age being about Thedas is not incompatible with there being mutliple stories about the Warden. Observe:
Dragon Age: The Warden
Drage Age II: Hawke
Dragon Age III: The Warden
Dragon Age IV: Hawke
Dragon Age V: Pentaghast
Dragon Age VI: Aeducan
Dragon Age VII: Amell
Dragon Age VIII: Fox
See? In the example above, you have multiple stories starring The Warden. But all of the stories are set in Thedas. There is no contradiction there. Therefore the possibility cannot be ruled out with the info we've been given.
The Warden Disappeared at the End of Dragon Age II. Therefore he can't be in Dragon Age III.
False.
He disappeared to Leliana and Cassandra. He's somewhere. He could come back. Or DAIII could go to where he is.
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