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[PMC65]

ExtremeOne wrote...

laecraft wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

A little bit of both would be fine. Especially since 2 of my 4 Sheps lost part of their squad in the SM.

Sorry Tali (twice), Thane (twice), Samara, Garrus, Jacob, Jack, Grunt, Miranda and Legion. Yep, we will need a new pool of recruits on those two games.

Yeah, that's true. I do wish Bioware would be a little more cutthroat about it though: "Oh, you killed 10 of your squaddies? Great, you suck, have fun playing ME3 with 4 total squad members (2 from ME1, and the 2 required to live through ME2)."

Either that to encourage saving more crewmembers, or at least installing new squadmates that have established lore within the past two games who can't be killed, like Anderson, Daro'Xen, or Feron. Not n00bs who leave you wondering where the heck they were in the past two games.

I just wish that you could accept or decline since I don't like all the characters. Jacob was killed on purpose by my femshep because I couldn't stand how the dev's made her interact with him. Kill Jacob, problem solved. You know, you have 10 slots and 20 potentials .. Let me choose who joins my crew this time.

I know, right?

FemShepard, who is NOT romancing Jacob: (in a luscious voice) I'm just interested in...talking for a bit.
Me: (CRINGE!)

And when I tried that romance option...UGH. I had no idea my Shepard could act so repulsive. You can see the shock on Jacob's face when she announces her interest in him, and the way he's thinking, "****, why me? What do I do now?" And then he tells her that he never thought of her this way, and she announces that the only thing that matters is that SHE is interested. So, after she keeps harrashing him, he manages to somehow stave her off...

I know it was done for pacing, but it feels like he's desperate to find a balance between catering to her wishes and outright telling her to leave him alone.

I didn't progress the romance further, to see if it gets better. I reloaded.

And since I don't want to hate my Shepard, I hated Jacob for it. Defensive reaction. (laughs) Although I never went so far as to kill him! Just never used him in my missions. Pretended he didn't exist. He's probably much better with a male Shepard. Although I wonder if he's just as rude when you ask him to talk.

   



He was made for the female Shepard because he is just odd sounding if you are a male Shepard . there is something off about his character . 

Well then BW failed ... My femshep set him up on the SM and made sure that he died so that she wouldn't feel like a tart everytime she had to talk to him. No Jacob, no tart. Problem solved.

[PMC65]

laecraft wrote...

OK, I see most people want the old teammates to dominate the new crew. I think your wishes will be granted. Still it's comforting to know that some people are not resistant to new characters, as well. Makes me hope that there will be new characters (and they better not be a device for exposition.)

Just remember that at the start of ME1 and ME2 you didn't know any of those people, and the writers made you care during one game - more precisely, during one or two quests and some talks on the ship. Who's to say that they can't do it again?

I wonder if at the end of ME3 you guys will have new favourites. I'm reserving an evil laugh for that very occasion. We shall see.

I just want to be able to decline like you could with Garrus on ME1 or Grunt & Legion. 10 slots and 20 potentials?

[ExtremeOne]

PMC65 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

laecraft wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

A little bit of both would be fine. Especially since 2 of my 4 Sheps lost part of their squad in the SM.

Sorry Tali (twice), Thane (twice), Samara, Garrus, Jacob, Jack, Grunt, Miranda and Legion. Yep, we will need a new pool of recruits on those two games.

Yeah, that's true. I do wish Bioware would be a little more cutthroat about it though: "Oh, you killed 10 of your squaddies? Great, you suck, have fun playing ME3 with 4 total squad members (2 from ME1, and the 2 required to live through ME2)."

Either that to encourage saving more crewmembers, or at least installing new squadmates that have established lore within the past two games who can't be killed, like Anderson, Daro'Xen, or Feron. Not n00bs who leave you wondering where the heck they were in the past two games.

I just wish that you could accept or decline since I don't like all the characters. Jacob was killed on purpose by my femshep because I couldn't stand how the dev's made her interact with him. Kill Jacob, problem solved. You know, you have 10 slots and 20 potentials .. Let me choose who joins my crew this time.

I know, right?

FemShepard, who is NOT romancing Jacob: (in a luscious voice) I'm just interested in...talking for a bit.
Me: (CRINGE!)

And when I tried that romance option...UGH. I had no idea my Shepard could act so repulsive. You can see the shock on Jacob's face when she announces her interest in him, and the way he's thinking, "****, why me? What do I do now?" And then he tells her that he never thought of her this way, and she announces that the only thing that matters is that SHE is interested. So, after she keeps harrashing him, he manages to somehow stave her off...

I know it was done for pacing, but it feels like he's desperate to find a balance between catering to her wishes and outright telling her to leave him alone.

I didn't progress the romance further, to see if it gets better. I reloaded.

And since I don't want to hate my Shepard, I hated Jacob for it. Defensive reaction. (laughs) Although I never went so far as to kill him! Just never used him in my missions. Pretended he didn't exist. He's probably much better with a male Shepard. Although I wonder if he's just as rude when you ask him to talk.

   



He was made for the female Shepard because he is just odd sounding if you are a male Shepard . there is something off about his character . 

Well then BW failed ... My femshep set him up on the SM and made sure that he died so that she wouldn't feel like a tart everytime she had to talk to him. No Jacob, no tart. Problem solved.

   




I agree his character had nothing to it and the female Shep and jacob romance is bad . I know My fem Shepard romanced him.   

[KainrycKarr]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I am attached as hell to my squad, thank you very much.

[jeweledleah]

see - when you meet new poeple i na first game of the trilogy, you start to care, because they may be your team for a while. when those people get pushed aside ia n second game, to make room for yet more new people, you try to care, but you start to wonder if they don't get pushed aside again and in that case, why even bother? you get whole new crew again in a last game, you really stop bothering, because the trilogy is over, and who care what happens to all these strangers, even if there were more games, its not like they are coming back. they become less of characters and more chess pieces.

see - when its all new hero and all new setting, new people make sence. but when the hero becomes the only constant? blah.

some of the best moments in ME2 is when you see familiar faces, and when you realize that they are still there, fighting a good fight. (and some of the worst moments to)

just like old times

there is a reason why ensemble cast shows and movie series are so popular. you get to learn more about them, you get to see them grow and evolve, you care for them and cheer for them.

edited to add - I wish people would give Jacob a chance.  his romance is actualy one of the deeper ones in ME2 despite some of the cheesy dialog and he's the only character with actual friendship path. (callibrations...paperwork...engins..meditation..you just want to sleep with me....cant concentrate with interuptions...drinks on a citadel - wait, what, you actualy have time for me, and you give me brofist?  right on!)

new characters are nice and all, but old characters are like old friends, you share so much more..you have history.

@ lunatic   yeah, kiss might be a bit much, but I'll take that beer

Modifié par jeweledleah, 26 avril 2011 - 06:03 .

[Golden Owl]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I am attached as hell to my squad, thank you very much.

^This^ ...some of them anyway ...but I look at it this way, we all have our own likes and dislikes among our squaddies and I would rather put up with the ones I dislike, than loose the ones I like.

[AquamanOS]

Part 3 of a trilogy is a poor time to add an entire new supporting cast and get rid of the old ones, unless they get rid of EVERYONE Shepard included and just start fresh.

But seeing as they aren't, they can't add too many characters because that's more time they need to take away from the action to give them backstory.

And the characters barely being there at time "as if you weren't supposed to have them" is just a ME thing in general. Because so many characters are optional they only speak during their own plot related thing. This isn't solely with ME2 either because 1 had the same problems of Garrus and Wrex never saying a word during mission debriefings because you could skip them.

But that's how ME works them to change it in ME3 to have a new cast that's suddenly entirely plot important is unlikely.

[PMC65]

AquamanOS wrote...

Part 3 of a trilogy is a poor time to add an entire new supporting cast and get rid of the old ones, unless they get rid of EVERYONE Shepard included and just start fresh.

But seeing as they aren't, they can't add too many characters because that's more time they need to take away from the action to give them backstory.

And the characters barely being there at time "as if you weren't supposed to have them" is just a ME thing in general. Because so many characters are optional they only speak during their own plot related thing. This isn't solely with ME2 either because 1 had the same problems of Garrus and Wrex never saying a word during mission debriefings because you could skip them.

But that's how ME works them to change it in ME3 to have a new cast that's suddenly entirely plot important is unlikely.

Well 2 of my Sheps are really screwed since the bulk of their squad is still on the collector base. Crap!

[NoSoyBueno]

I have a solution:
New squad members can be recruited only to replace ones lost or not recruited in ME2. The new squadmates, like James Sanders, must be distinctly inferior in combat, so that the gravity of the Suicide Mission is not completely lost.

-NSB

[AngelicMachinery]

NoSoyBueno wrote...

I have a solution:
New squad members can be recruited only to replace ones lost or not recruited in ME2. The new squadmates, like James Sanders, must be distinctly inferior in combat, so that the gravity of the Suicide Mission is not completely lost.

-NSB

I see your logic,  but it won't happen.

[AquamanOS]

You've got Kaiden/Ashley, Liara, and at least one new guy. That's just enough to get you through the game. And you'll probably have more, because you need at least 2 survivors to get a transferable save, and you generally only lose an average of 3 to 4 squadmembers due to honest mistakes, unless you actually try to get everyone killed.

And if you tried to get everyone killed, obviously you were prepared for possible consquences.

[Wittand25]

The ME2 crew will leave Shepard´s side and you will have to recruit a new team. That is not to say that you wont meet the ME2 NPCs during ME3, if they survived the SM, but making them full squad members wont happen for various reasons (regarding story, game-play and development resources).

And is not already a Belgian preview out that states that the ME2 crew split up ?

[ExtremeOne]

Wittand25 wrote...

The ME2 crew will leave Shepard´s side and you will have to recruit a new team. That is not to say that you wont meet the ME2 NPCs during ME3, if they survived the SM, but making them full squad members wont happen for various reasons (regarding story, game-play and development resources).

And is not already a Belgian preview out that states that the ME2 crew split up ?

  



which is bull sh*t .  so Bioware puts the ME 1 crew on the squad for what reason in 3 .  

[AngryFrozenWater]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

ME3 won't have recruitment missions. It said that immediately after leaving Earth, we head to alien homeworlds to find allies. ME3's new squad will be introduced at the start just like in ME1.

Read the bold part carefully.

That does not mean that you are mainly hunting for crew there. It is more likely that you'll try to mobilze fleets and/or armies there. That also does not mean you cannot pick up old or new crew members along the way, though. That's BW for you. They keep things as vague as possible.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 26 avril 2011 - 07:42 .

[AquamanOS]

We aren't getting an all new team. We already know 4 ME3 squadmembers and only 1 of them is a brand new character.

[Wittand25]

ExtremeOne wrote...
which is bull sh*t .  so Bioware puts the ME 1 crew on the squad for what reason in 3 .  

When was that said. As far as I know parts of the ME1 crew (immortal Liara, and 50% alive VS and Garrus) are playable in some extent in ME3. The same could be said about Jenkins in ME1 and Joker and the guy killed by Miranda in ME2.

Liara is immortal and the writers pet so it is quite likely that she will feature in a bigger way. The VS is alive even if it can be two different people but is still quite easily inserted into the story because the VS shares a large chunk of back-story between it´s two possible characters.

Most of the ME2 crew have however no plot-hooks to insert them into the ME3 story, little interesting back-story left and little opportunity to acquire new topics to talk about like the VS and would for this reason make very bad squad mates in ME3.
Also since for a valid import you only need two of them to survive, the accessible powers for the squad would be too random and make a balanced game near impossible, since every possible squad need access to powers that are effective against the various different defenses of your opponents.
Let´s not for get that developing any major content for a ME2 crew member means spending zots on a NPC that might or might not be in game. Spending all the zots required for a fully developed squad member is simply not reasonable. Especially since a cameo can ,if done right, give a player with an imported safe-game the same level of reward and closure while requiring only a fraction of the resources that a full squad-member would need.

[Niddy']

I'd rather have the characters we have with more depth to their story. Adding more Jacobs to the list of squadmates just clutters the amount we already have adding nothing to others.

[ExtremeOne]

Wittand25 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
which is bull sh*t .  so Bioware puts the ME 1 crew on the squad for what reason in 3 .  

When was that said. As far as I know parts of the ME1 crew (immortal Liara, and 50% alive VS and Garrus) are playable in some extent in ME3. The same could be said about Jenkins in ME1 and Joker and the guy killed by Miranda in ME2.

Liara is immortal and the writers pet so it is quite likely that she will feature in a bigger way. The VS is alive even if it can be two different people but is still quite easily inserted into the story because the VS shares a large chunk of back-story between it´s two possible characters.

Most of the ME2 crew have however no plot-hooks to insert them into the ME3 story, little interesting back-story left and little opportunity to acquire new topics to talk about like the VS and would for this reason make very bad squad mates in ME3.
Also since for a valid import you only need two of them to survive, the accessible powers for the squad would be too random and make a balanced game near impossible, since every possible squad need access to powers that are effective against the various different defenses of your opponents.
Let´s not for get that developing any major content for a ME2 crew member means spending zots on a NPC that might or might not be in game. Spending all the zots required for a fully developed squad member is simply not reasonable. Especially since a cameo can ,if done right, give a player with an imported safe-game the same level of reward and closure while requiring only a fraction of the resources that a full squad-member would need.

  




Lets just be real if none of the ME 2 squad are not squad mates in 3 it will be real clear Bioware did want to erase ME 2 from the ME franchise 

[Kaiser Shepard]

I really wonder how and/or if they're going to do any new romances: just seems weirdto have new ones at this point in the series.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I really wonder how and/or if they're going to do any new romances: just seems weirdto have new ones at this point in the series.

I don't think so. ME3 will attract new players as well and old ones might want to give their current LIs the boot.. Love does not take vacation just because there is a war.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 26 avril 2011 - 08:21 .

[kaimanaMM]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I am attached as hell to my squad, thank you very much.

This.

AdmiralCheez wrote...

ME2: Build a team.

ME3: Be a team.

This.

jeweledleah wrote...

edited to add - I wish people would give Jacob a chance.  his romance is actualy one of the deeper ones in ME2 despite some of the cheesy dialog and he's the only character with actual friendship path. 

This.

[TomY90]

kaimanaMM wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I am attached as hell to my squad, thank you very much.

This.

AdmiralCheez wrote...

ME2: Build a team.

ME3: Be a team.

This.

jeweledleah wrote...

edited to add - I wish people would give Jacob a chance.  his romance is actualy one of the deeper ones in ME2 despite some of the cheesy dialog and he's the only character with actual friendship path. 

This.

you pretty much spot on with my opinions havent done the female shepherd romances but seen some of jacobs relationship building and its alot better than most of the characters have its less about doing it more about shepherd and jacob (even jacob asks how she is which is a 1st for ME pretty much)

I am hoping in ME3 they have more characters ask you how you are (I can imagine the LI's in ME3 will definetly do it considering they are already in a relationship with one another since ME1 or ME2

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Most should come back. But the death of Jack and Thane fortunatly leaves 2 vacant spots that I hope can be filled in with two new faces.

[hawat333]

As long as Tali stays dead in my playthroughs, I only need to find a way to eliminate Liara (although her voice actor improved a lot between the two games, I found her more believable in the second installation), and I'll be fine both ways.

Well, at least some new characters is a must-have. Bioware tends to have really good introductions, as well as some really compelling characters.

If they'd keep the "got attached to" squad from ME1 with no new squadmates, we wouldn't have met with Mordin for example. (Replace with any name desired).
Although I'd like to have more ME1-like characters who were complex, interesting personalities and not just tropes. Even if it means less squadmates.

So at the end, I do look forward to have new characters.