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[Abramis brama]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Yes it's a quote from ME 1 that took place over 2 years ago in the ME universe, that doesn't mean it would be OOC for her dress the way she is in the screen shot. People can change or show more sides to themselves over time just cause we didn't see the side of Ashely that likes to "let her down fully" in ME 1 and ME 2 doesn't mean it's not there.

Ashley had Heavy armor and her hair in bun in ME2 and that takes place only couple of months before ME3. I just don't see her changing to Femme Fatale character in that time.

[Antivenger]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Babli wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

Worried yes. I’m worried too but there is no point in getting that uptight about it yet.
Also Miranda, Jack and Samara are all biotics. That doesn’t excuse their outfits but there is a difference between giving a biotic (and they have always used light armour) unpractical armour and giving a soldier who it would be very OCC to not wear armour a suit.

How do you know its OOC did you create Ashely? Just cause it doesn't fit your preconception of Ashely doesn't mean it's out of character for her to dress and look that way if she feels like it.

This is quote from ME1

"Kaidan: Those Asari commandos are impressive. Lightly armored, but their speed more than makes up for it.
Ashley: Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun.
Kaidan: Point taken."

ninja´d

Yes it's a quote from ME 1 that took place over 2 years ago in the ME universe, that doesn't mean it would be OOC for her dress the way she is in the screen shot. People can change or show more sides to themselves over time just cause we didn't see the side of Ashely that likes to "let her down fully" in ME 1 and ME 2 doesn't mean it's not there.

I agree, people change everyday. They evolve, the grow. But Ashley has never had the personality that would even consider flaunting herself like that. She might ocassionally wear a slightly revealing dress once in a while. You know, for a date or maybe a formal gathering. But combat? No, she's practical and sensible. "People change" in slight degrees, and even then why would she begin losing her modesty and common sense even? Maybe she lost her sense of humour, when things got serious. Maybe she became more diplomatic while working for Anderson. But dressing up in a catsuit for combat? (Though I still don't think that's a catsuit in her picture) That's not even bad character development. It's a retcon.

[Shadowrun1177]

Guess the best we can do is agree to disagree. I like her new look with her hair down and armor, I don't think she's Miranda 2.0 like others do.

[ExtremeOne]

She looks ok

[Clonedzero]

Abramis brama wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Yes it's a quote from ME 1 that took place over 2 years ago in the ME universe, that doesn't mean it would be OOC for her dress the way she is in the screen shot. People can change or show more sides to themselves over time just cause we didn't see the side of Ashely that likes to "let her down fully" in ME 1 and ME 2 doesn't mean it's not there.

Ashley had Heavy armor and her hair in bun in ME2 and that takes place only couple of months before ME3. I just don't see her changing to Femme Fatale character in that time.

thats because they were too lazy to redo her model lol

[CaptainZaysh]

I think that desexualisation of women is a strategy that some overbearing men use to control them.

[ErebUs890]

I can see the ME2 forums are still talking about the exact same things they were talking about a month ago...

[Abramis brama]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

I think that desexualisation of women is a strategy that some overbearing men use to control them.

Alrighty then.

[VonStrangle]

It's a videogame, gentlemen, not real life.


Let's enjoy it as such.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

VonStrangle wrote...

It's a videogame, gentlemen, not real life.


Let's enjoy it as such.

Avatar was a groundbreaking and very enjoyable movie. It didn't escape criticism for its flaws.

Saying that a videogame should be enjoyed but not ever criticized is like saying art should just be enjoyed, but never critiqued. That's an impossible ideal.

[Bluko]

diskoh wrote...

She wasn't wearing heavy armor when she debuted in ME1, I guess the character has been un-Ashley since she was created.

Doesn't she wear Medium armor at the start though? Which at that point (in the game) is the heaviest armor anyone can wear?

True it's White and Pink and I guess you could say they made her somewhat "girly" to begin with in that regard.

Although I should stress that white and pink are fairly effective camouflage colors. White is in general a good overall color to go with, though moreso in urban environments. And pink is something that's proven to be effective in desert environments. True on Eden Prime niether of those schemes are really helpful. Although the few actual Alliance soldiers we've seen, a lot of them do wear white or near white armors.

Also Phoenix armor is White and Pink no matter who wears it. That's just how the Sirta company colors that
brand of armor, which isn't surprising given that they tend to make medical supplies. Go figure their armor looks like it's intended for medics.

Point is Ashley has always been intended to be the type of character that "armor ups". Ashley isn't the sort to go around prancing around the Battlfield in a dress. She says in ME1 you'd never catch her in "high-heel boots and a tinfoil mini-skirt". So why is she now wearing a suit almost like Miranda's? It's out of character for her plain and simple.


I dunno perhaps there is an in-game reason,as yet unknown, for her change. Though to be honest it really looks
like it was done just to pander to us guys and give us something nicer to look at it. It just gets kind of cheesy when Sci-Fis go out of their way to throw in hot space-babes to appeal solely to a male audience. A little of that is fine, but they seem to be "dressing up" every female character now for that purpose.

Modifié par Bluko, 28 avril 2011 - 02:16 .

[InvincibleHero]

johannes1212 wrote...

The armor in the ME universe isn't just a plate bucket you put on, its an entire hospital built into a suit, that breached armor? Sure it may happen, that will just trigger the automated medigel distribution system built in. Keep in mind, we're in the future here boys, not the middle ages.

Which will do nothing when you have metal and ceramic inside your heart and lungs. They may not die right away but I wouldn't expect them to live very long.

Right they are kevlar and ceramics which totally protect against the sub-sonic crude ballistic weapons of today. Right? Nope. They just wave a magic wand and ceramics are 1000X more protective against weapons that are like mini-nuke impacts.

Of course another issue everyone will gloss over is head shots. How would medigel even fix you up then?

Right it's a game and they make gameplay decisions like deciding who wears what. If BW thinks it is OK then it's Ok with me.

[InvincibleHero]

didymos1120 wrote...

candidate88766 wrote...

I thought kinetic barriers provided far more protection than the actual armour; isn't that why lots of the characters walk around hostile environments in bare skin?

Poor Codex writers.  Nobody seems to want to read the thing:

"The shielding afforded by kinetic barriers does not protect against extremes of temperature, toxins, or radiation."

And yes, they are the main form of protection, but they only protect against high velocity objects (which is why the biotic barriers of ME2 don't make any sense as anything other than a gameplay element, as no one is mentally quick enough to block, or even capable of detecting, things moving at the velocities produced by mass accelerator weaponry.  This is likely the reason why the lore doesn't acknowledge their existence) :

"The outer layer consists of automatically-generated kinetic barriers. Objects traveling above a certain speed will trigger the barrier's reflex system and be deflected, provided there is enough energy left in the shield's power cell."

The reason armor is used is because kinetic barriers aren't perfect. They don't block stuff under the velocity threshhold, and even then stuff still slips through at times. In either case, despite moving much slower than a typical projectile, such an object can still be plenty lethal:

"If a bullet or other incoming object gets past the barrier, it contends with the more traditional body armor. A sealed suit of non-porous ballistic cloth provides kinetic and environmental protection, reinforced by lightweight composite ceramic plates in areas that either don't need to flex or require additional coverage, such as the chest and head. When the armor is hit by directed energy weapons, the plates boil away or ablate rather than burning the wearer."

Ignore gameplay though, because it has its own rules that don't follow the lore.  Shields/Barriers are damaged by everything, no matter how slow moving (melee attacks, varren bites, that drug on Samara's loyalty mission), and must be stripped before health (or armor) can be affected.

Care to define what they mean about extreme? It does protect against those things by the very words you quoted. Does extreme mean 5,000 degrees C? When is a toxin extreme? They don't say. Yet they say Miranda with kinetic barrier can survive Haestrom and that chlorine gas planet just fine. It falls within the threshold of extreme obviously.

[Sajuro]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

VonStrangle wrote...

It's a videogame, gentlemen, not real life.


Let's enjoy it as such.

Avatar was a groundbreaking and very enjoyable movie. It didn't escape criticism for its flaws.

Saying that a videogame should be enjoyed but not ever criticized is like saying art should just be enjoyed, but never critiqued. That's an impossible ideal.

There is a difference between being critical of a game and having your head up your own rectum which complaining so profusely about outfits is approaching. To me each game must first and fore most be fun for other games like it.

[Bluko]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Worries and expressing concern fall under speculation, which as i said, is great.
Burning ME3 at the stake from a single picture with no context half a year before release is what irks me.

It won't ruin ME3, but for a number of us it does had the potential to make the game less appealing. I won't boycott the game, but I am somewhat concerned as to the direction it may be going. I want to see ME3 do well and actually improve upon ME2, not just be Mass Effect 2.1 you know? If I'm on bus and I think the driver is about to drfit off road you can bet I'm going to say something. I'm not going to have blind confidence that the bus driver knows what he's doing and isn't falling asleep and drive us into the ditch.

It may be one picture, heck it might just be some non-final concept (I hope so...) but it's probably far more likely that the picture is what she's intended to look like in ME3. It's more or less in short advertising. They wanted us to see the picture. At this point we can assume this is what they want Ashley to look like. The case some of us are trying to make is that it's not all to our liking and seems a bit out of character for her.

I mean if T.I.M. was shown wearing a pink suit I'd think most people would balk at that too.

[InvincibleHero]

Don Johnson would like some words with you on the power of a pink suit. LOL I think Illusive Man could pull it off quite well.

So what even if it is the actual outfit she wears into combat. People are making it out like BW is murdering baby seals by doing so. How dare BW decide how to present their characters in a videogame we are only consumers of? (That is sarcasm for those that need the hint)

[didymos1120]

InvincibleHero wrote...
Care to define what they mean about extreme? It does protect against those things by the very words you quoted. Does extreme mean 5,000 degrees C? When is a toxin extreme? They don't say. Yet they say Miranda with kinetic barrier can survive Haestrom and that chlorine gas planet just fine. It falls within the threshold of extreme obviously.

Will you people stop taking gameplay as lore already?  It doesn't work. Period.  Varren bites don't damage kinetic barriers.  Neither does a powdered biotic drug floating in the air.  You can't fling out Singularity after Singularity indefinitely after a brief cooldown.  You can't survive that amount of fire after your barriers drop.  You can't duck behind cover and suddenly go from near-dead to perfect health. And you can't run around on Haestrom without a shirt or go traipsing through chlorine gas without eye protection and not suffer....a lot. 

Modifié par didymos1120, 28 avril 2011 - 03:03 .

[InvincibleHero]

@Didymos from your codex direct quote

"The shielding afforded by kinetic barriers does not protect against extremes of temperature, toxins, or radiation."

That is the only relevant info. Only a person failed of logic 101 reads that as affording no protection for those three specific things mentioned. Let's see chlorine toxin check. Haestrom heat and radiation check. exactly what did I say that was incorrect.

Neither will armor protect you from roasting like a bug from sustained heat either.

As you mentioned elsewhere strawman absorbs the varren bite.

[MrFob]

I still think they should dress her up in a tinfoil miniskirt .

[Iakus]

ExtremeOne wrote...

She looks ok

She'd look bettter if her outfit more resembled Kaidan's:  a human Marine/maybe Spectre ready to take on the galaxy.

Modifié par iakus, 28 avril 2011 - 05:11 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm really starting to think that's just her causal outfit for the Normandy.

[Iakus]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I'm really starting to think that's just her causal outfit for the Normandy.

I'm hoping so, but the resemblence to Miranda is eerie.

[Fiery Phoenix]

She does look Mirandafied, I'll give you that much. But as long as it's only her ship-board outfit, we're golden.