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[Shadowrun1177]

crimzontearz wrote...

delightful....so....catsuit over armor for a hardened soldier

and do not chalk it up to her being a Spectre because Vasir was a spectre vanguard and she wore full armor

come to think of it care to explain to me how her look makes sense to you past the fact you appreciate its aestetics?

I don't chalk it up to her being a Spectre cause I don't know for a fact that she has been made a Spectre, all we have right now is an article in a playstation magazine that people seem to think is questionable. There are a number of other possible reasons which people have raised in other threads like possibly a military job change from B (infantry) to something else since the new armor has an S on it maybe she's been moved to a new service of the military which means different armor type.

As for the whole comment people constantly make about it's not something Ashely would do, I don't agree with that cause they didn't create Ashely or any of the other characters Bioware did so Bioware knows exactly what a character would and wouldn't do or what a character would and wouldn't wear and why.

Modifié par Shadowrun1177, 28 avril 2011 - 01:13 .

[Manic Sheep]

crimzontearz wrote...

you know show of hands how many here would have rather had an Ashley with the same cookie cutter body of all other females in the game but with the option to customize her armor modular style like Shepard?

also

Kelly was not oversexualized (visually) but she I bet a lot of people would have rather had her than miranda or jack as a true LI

I would rather she had her own armour. Not that It was modular like Shapard. But it would have to actually be armour. Zaeed, Garrus and Grunt had their own armour. You can do it for woman too. If I had to pick between modular armour and this for combat I would pick modular armour. I would also rather she didn’t have the exaggerated body type and tight clothing. There are other ways to look good and attractive and we already have Miranda and Samara for that. That said I am female so I maybe what I find attractive in another woman is not the same as what most men would find attractive in a woman. IMO from this one shot Ashley looked much better in ME1 with less makeup and her hair up.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 28 avril 2011 - 02:18 .

[Babli]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...
As for the whole comment people constantly make about it's not something Ashely would do, I don't agree with that cause they didn't create Ashely or any of the other characters Bioware did so Bioware knows exactly what a character would and wouldn't do or what a character would and wouldn't wear and why.

"Kaidan: Those Asari commandos are impressive. Lightly armored, but their speed more than makes up for it.
Ashley: Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun.
Kaidan: Point taken."

I dont know what else do you need to understand that this catsuit or what is OOC. Especially if it is her "armor".

[crimzontearz]

pray tell how is that going to matter when she is on Shepard's squad fighting in the front lines

are cerberus men, reapers, mercs and god know what else going to say "no wait, she is now just an alliance rep look at her lack of armor....we should not shoot her"

[Shadowrun1177]

Babli wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...
As for the whole comment people constantly make about it's not something Ashely would do, I don't agree with that cause they didn't create Ashely or any of the other characters Bioware did so Bioware knows exactly what a character would and wouldn't do or what a character would and wouldn't wear and why.

"Kaidan: Those Asari commandos are impressive. Lightly armored, but their speed more than makes up for it.
Ashley: Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun.
Kaidan: Point taken."

I dont know what else do you need to understand that this catsuit or what is OOC. Especially if it is her "armor".

I'll say it again yes that's a quote from ME 1 that doesn't mean it's out of character for her. People are assuming they know everything about a character when they don't Bioware is the one who created Ashely, Garrus, Kaidan, Tali and all the rest. What we know about them is what Bioware has shown and allowed us to know about them but that doesn't mean we know everything about them.

Modifié par Shadowrun1177, 28 avril 2011 - 01:27 .

[JediNg]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Babli wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...
As for the whole comment people constantly make about it's not something Ashely would do, I don't agree with that cause they didn't create Ashely or any of the other characters Bioware did so Bioware knows exactly what a character would and wouldn't do or what a character would and wouldn't wear and why.

"Kaidan: Those Asari commandos are impressive. Lightly armored, but their speed more than makes up for it.
Ashley: Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun.
Kaidan: Point taken."

I dont know what else do you need to understand that this catsuit or what is OOC. Especially if it is her "armor".

I'll say it again yes that's a quote from ME 1 that doesn't mean it's out of character for her. People are assuming they know everything about a character when they don't Bioware is the one who created Ashely, Garrus, Kaidan, Tali and all the rest. What we know about them is what Bioware has shown and allowed us to know about them but that doesn't mean we know everything about them.

You're just grasping at straws now.  Ashley's already been painted a certain way.  Something like that is most definitely out of character.

[GodWood]

Chris L'Etoile wrote Ashley and unfortunately he has left Bioware.
Seeing her appearance and knowing her writer is gone makes me worried for Ash's character in ME3.

I guess it's good I saved Kaiden..

Modifié par GodWood, 28 avril 2011 - 01:37 .

[Babli]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Babli wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...
As for the whole comment people constantly make about it's not something Ashely would do, I don't agree with that cause they didn't create Ashely or any of the other characters Bioware did so Bioware knows exactly what a character would and wouldn't do or what a character would and wouldn't wear and why.

"Kaidan: Those Asari commandos are impressive. Lightly armored, but their speed more than makes up for it.
Ashley: Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun.
Kaidan: Point taken."

I dont know what else do you need to understand that this catsuit or what is OOC. Especially if it is her "armor".

I'll say it again yes that's a quote from ME 1 that doesn't mean it's out of character for her. People are assuming they know everything about character when they don't Bioware is the one who created Ashely, Garrus, Kaidan, Tali and all the rest. What we know about them is what Bioware has shown and allowed us to know about them but that doesn't mean we know everything about them.

"Kinetic barriers, colloquially called "shields", provide protection against most mass accelerator weapons. Whether on a starship or a soldier's suit of armor, the basic principle remains the same.
"
-quote from ME Wiki.

You see? She is soldier and her only protection are kinetic barriers that can be provided by armor only. What is she wearing isnt armor therefore she has no protection whatsoever. And she has also exposed skin, so that means no helmet. So if this is what she will wear, we can expect return of breather mask. Another stupid invention of ME2.

Also I am gonna believe to what she said in game then what you are making up here. This suit is ooc, period. People are changing over the years, yes, but if this is her armor, she just got dumber.

Clearly, her new look is just supposed to attract to people that never cared about her character and will romance her only because of her t&a. Its pure fanservice in its stupidest form.

So I really hope this is not her armor.

[Shadowrun1177]

JediNg wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Babli wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...
As for the whole comment people constantly make about it's not something Ashely would do, I don't agree with that cause they didn't create Ashely or any of the other characters Bioware did so Bioware knows exactly what a character would and wouldn't do or what a character would and wouldn't wear and why.

"Kaidan: Those Asari commandos are impressive. Lightly armored, but their speed more than makes up for it.
Ashley: Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun.
Kaidan: Point taken."

I dont know what else do you need to understand that this catsuit or what is OOC. Especially if it is her "armor".

I'll say it again yes that's a quote from ME 1 that doesn't mean it's out of character for her. People are assuming they know everything about a character when they don't Bioware is the one who created Ashely, Garrus, Kaidan, Tali and all the rest. What we know about them is what Bioware has shown and allowed us to know about them but that doesn't mean we know everything about them.

You're just grasping at straws now.  Ashley's already been painted a certain way.  Something like that is most definitely out of character.

The same could be said for you saying she's been painted a certain way and thats all there is and very will be to her people are more complex then a few lines of dialog.

[crimzontearz]

sadly I saved her...soooo I guess she will be the sacrificial lamb in ME3 if the occasion arises

[Shadowrun1177]

Babli wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Babli wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...
As for the whole comment people constantly make about it's not something Ashely would do, I don't agree with that cause they didn't create Ashely or any of the other characters Bioware did so Bioware knows exactly what a character would and wouldn't do or what a character would and wouldn't wear and why.

"Kaidan: Those Asari commandos are impressive. Lightly armored, but their speed more than makes up for it.
Ashley: Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun.
Kaidan: Point taken."

I dont know what else do you need to understand that this catsuit or what is OOC. Especially if it is her "armor".

I'll say it again yes that's a quote from ME 1 that doesn't mean it's out of character for her. People are assuming they know everything about character when they don't Bioware is the one who created Ashely, Garrus, Kaidan, Tali and all the rest. What we know about them is what Bioware has shown and allowed us to know about them but that doesn't mean we know everything about them.

"Kinetic barriers, colloquially called "shields", provide protection against most mass accelerator weapons. Whether on a starship or a soldier's suit of armor, the basic principle remains the same.
"
-quote from ME Wiki.

You see? She is soldier and her only protection are kinetic barriers that can be provided by armor only. What is she wearing isnt armor therefore she has no protection whatsoever. And she has also exposed skin, so that means no helmet. So if this is what she will wear, we can expect return of breather mask. Another stupid invention of ME2.

Also I am gonna believe to what she said in game then what you are making up here. This suit is ooc, period. People are changing over the years, yes, but if this is her armor, she just got dumber.

Clearly, her new look is just supposed to attract to people that never cared about her character and will romance her only because of her t&a. Its pure fanservice in its stupidest form.

So I really hope this is not her armor.

All I can say is the best we can hope for is to agree to disagree with each other I have my opinion and you have yours. I personally don't think it's out of character for her but you do.

[crimzontearz]

you still have to answer my question Shadowrun

[Babli]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...
All I can say is the best we can hope for is to agree to disagree

Indeed.

[Seboist]

GodWood wrote...

Chris L'Etoile wrote Ashley and unfortunately he has left Bioware.
Seeing her appearance and knowing her writer is gone makes me worried for Ash's character in ME3.

I guess it's good I saved Kaiden..

I wouldn't breathe a sigh of relief over Kaidan just yet, they might make him wear a speedo this time around.

[Shadowrun1177]

crimzontearz wrote...

you still have to answer my question Shadowrun

I did answer your question in my first post at the top of the page. I'm not sure the exact reason but there a multiple reason why it could be this way and to judge from a single screen shot months before release and with no character info really as of yet about them it's hard to say.

Modifié par Shadowrun1177, 28 avril 2011 - 01:45 .

[GodWood]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...
All I can say is the best we can hope for is to agree to disagree with each other I have my opinion and you have yours. I personally don't think it's out of character for her but you do.

So what you're essentially saying is it's impossible for a character to act out of character?

Seboist wrote...
I wouldn't breathe a sigh of relief over Kaidan just yet, they might make him wear a speedo this time around.

Nah Kaidan's looking pretty badarse



Strange he's the one who gets the heavy armour though...

Modifié par GodWood, 28 avril 2011 - 01:49 .

[crimzontearz]

no, shadowrun, the question I posted in response to your comment....

this question

crimzontearz wrote...
pray tell how is that going to matter when she is on Shepard's squad fighting in the front lines

are cerberus men, reapers, mercs and god know what else going to say "no wait, she is now just an alliance rep look at her lack of armor....we should not shoot her"

[Shadowrun1177]

GodWood wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...
All I can say is the best we can hope for is to agree to disagree with each other I have my opinion and you have yours. I personally don't think it's out of character for her but you do.

So what you're essentially saying is it's impossible for a character to act out of character?

No I'm not saying that, I'm saying we only know what Bioware has shown us about her character there could be more to it that makes it not out of character and to judge something as out of character without any real info about it yet makes the out of character defense hard to swallow at least for me. 

[JediNg]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

JediNg wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Babli wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...
As for the whole comment people constantly make about it's not something Ashely would do, I don't agree with that cause they didn't create Ashely or any of the other characters Bioware did so Bioware knows exactly what a character would and wouldn't do or what a character would and wouldn't wear and why.

"Kaidan: Those Asari commandos are impressive. Lightly armored, but their speed more than makes up for it.
Ashley: Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun.
Kaidan: Point taken."

I dont know what else do you need to understand that this catsuit or what is OOC. Especially if it is her "armor".

I'll say it again yes that's a quote from ME 1 that doesn't mean it's out of character for her. People are assuming they know everything about a character when they don't Bioware is the one who created Ashely, Garrus, Kaidan, Tali and all the rest. What we know about them is what Bioware has shown and allowed us to know about them but that doesn't mean we know everything about them.

You're just grasping at straws now.  Ashley's already been painted a certain way.  Something like that is most definitely out of character.

The same could be said for you saying she's been painted a certain way and thats all there is and very will be to her people are more complex then a few lines of dialog.

No, actually.  Dialogue is how you learn about a character.  To be grasping at straws, I'd have to be making excuses for unexplained strange behaviour, which I am not, since I do not believe that cat suit to be some silly replacement for armour.  I am in fact pointing out that there are bounds within which people will expect Ash to behave.  Catsuit armour being outside of said bounds.

[Shadowrun1177]

crimzontearz wrote...

no, shadowrun, the question I posted in response to your comment....

this question

crimzontearz wrote...
pray tell how is that going to matter when she is on Shepard's squad fighting in the front lines

are cerberus men, reapers, mercs and god know what else going to say "no wait, she is now just an alliance rep look at her lack of armor....we should not shoot her"

Well Miranda and Jack's outfits didn't stop them from being attacked in ME2 so no I wouldn't expect them not too attack her.

[JediNg]

GodWood wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...
All I can say is the best we can hope for is to agree to disagree with each other I have my opinion and you have yours. I personally don't think it's out of character for her but you do.

So what you're essentially saying is it's impossible for a character to act out of character?

Seems to be going in that direction.
Suddenly, Ash wants a sex change.
"Yeah, well we don't know everything about her so it's still in character!" Which is essentially argument from ignorance fallacy.
Blah blah strawman all you want; you know it was headed in that direction lolol

[GodWood]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...
All I can say is the best we can hope for is to agree to disagree with each other I have my opinion and you have yours. I personally don't think it's out of character for her but you do.

So what you're essentially saying is it's impossible for a character to act out of character?

No I'm not saying that, I'm saying we only know what Bioware has shown us about her character there could be more to it that makes it not out of character and to judge something as out of character without any real info about it yet makes the out of character defense hard to swallow at least for me. 

"Inconsistent with one's personality, disposition, or usual expected behaviour; Not acting; not "on"; behaving within one's natural personality rather than that of a character in a performance piece; In a manner inconsistent with one's usual and expected personality or behavior..."

Wearing a skin tight catsuit (and having her ****** enlarged) is out of character, sure you can dismiss previous statements made by her and say "we haven't seen all of her character" but like I said before, with that logic nothing can be out of character.

You can love the catsuit all you want dude but don't try to make it out to be more justified than it is.

Modifié par GodWood, 28 avril 2011 - 02:01 .

[crimzontearz]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...


no, shadowrun, the question I posted in response to your comment....




this question

crimzontearz wrote...


pray tell how is that going to matter when she is on Shepard's squad fighting in the front lines




are cerberus men, reapers, mercs and god know what else going to say "no wait, she is now just an alliance rep look at her lack of armor....we should not shoot her"

Well Miranda and Jack's outfits didn't stop them from being attacked in ME2 so no I wouldn't expect them not too attack her.

right which makes her outfit just as retarded as jack's and Miranda's in ME2 and completely impractical in a frontline firefight




so, again, why the hell is she wearing that knowing her background and her situation in ME3?

Modifié par crimzontearz, 28 avril 2011 - 02:09 .

[JediNg]

K I think GodWood might have got it, but Shadow, it's totally fine to like the almost skin tight suit - just don't confuse it with being in character, lol.

[jonesy1186]

I just don't get why Everybody is so negative about this suit?! I mean we know nothing NOTHING about the context of the picture yet. Only Bioware knows at this time and they are keeping it secret. What if that's her suit she wears before being romantic with us on the Normandy, Or it could be her casual wear while on the Normandy. Just cause she looks more feminine doesn't mean anything. Personally I LOVE the change. It makes her look ten times better, Seeing the picture makes me happy a few of my Shepards romanced her. When I first saw the pic I figured she became less of a tightwad not that her whole personality changed and now she's "Miranda 2.0" that is ridiculous to base all this argument over one, ONE pre-game photo that just might be concept art!