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[Manic Sheep]

didymos1120 wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

 Garrus was perfect.

People say this a lot, but you know what?  Not true.  His armor was pretty significantly damaged, with actual and very visible holes in it, and we had no indication that it ever got repaired in any way.  And yet, it still functioned perfectly.  Didn't leak air or nothin'. So don't kid yourself: Garrus' non-AAP gear was just as aesthetically motivated as anyone else's was. 

It was a hole thru the plates but I don't think his suit was damaged badly. Its odd he didn't get it fixed but it looks protective enough.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 30 avril 2011 - 05:29 .

[Seboist]

Let's hope Garrus and Legion have the sense to repair themselves this time around.

[didymos1120]

Manic Sheep wrote...

It was a hole thru the plates but I don't think his suit was damaged badly. Its odd he didn't get it fixed but it looks protective enough.

You think that the damage was magically restricted to just the little holes? I guarantee you the plating all around that area was much weakened. Tons of microfractures, not to mention larger ones that just didn't make it to the surface.    And what about the suit's ability to maintain a seal? 

Garrus was certainly doing better than Jack and Miranda, but him wearing busted up armor wasn't that much brighter. But hey: it looked all rugged and badass and stuff (which was the actual point).

Modifié par didymos1120, 30 avril 2011 - 05:37 .

[Manic Sheep]

didymos1120 wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

It was a hole thru the plates but I don't think his suit was damaged badly. Its odd he didn't get it fixed but it looks protective enough.

You think that the damage was magically restricted to just the little holes? I guarantee you the plating all around that area was much weakened. Tons of microfractures, not to mention larger ones that just didn't make it to the surface.    And what about the suit's ability to maintain a seal?

*sigh* alright, thats stupid too. Damn I wanted to give atleast one of them a perfect.

[didymos1120]

Manic Sheep wrote...

*sigh* alright, thats stupid too. Damn I wanted to give atleast one of them a perfect.

I'm sorry.  But hey: there's always his AAP1 armor.

[Manic Sheep]

didymos1120 wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

*sigh* alright, thats stupid too. Damn I wanted to give atleast one of them a perfect.

I'm sorry. But hey: there's always his AAP1 armor.

That’s true but I'm far too much of a cheap bastard to buy the AAP's.
Well I lie, the 2nd one tempted me enough to break my rule of not buying equipment or cosmetics and try to buy it but then I realised you can't just buy 160 points and gave up.
Still at least one exists.

[Skilled Seeker]

Well I've been looking at the Ash pic again and her ****** are still too small. They need to be bigger and more perky. She also needs to show ample cleavage so open up the zip. DA2 had hair physics so Ash could get boob physics that bounce as she moves, or if there's a breeze etc.

Just some ideas for a better Ash everyone can enjoy

[Skilled Seeker]

I mean so many games do this so Bioware really needs to play catchup. If you object to this, you are a prude.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 30 avril 2011 - 10:41 .

[Abramis brama]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Well I've been looking at the Ash pic again and her ****** are still too small. They need to be bigger and more perky. She also needs to show ample cleavage so open up the zip. DA2 had hair physics so Ash could get boob physics that bounce as she moves, or if there's a breeze etc.

Just some ideas for a better Ash everyone can enjoy

i see your sarcasm and I like it.

[GuardianAngel470]

Abramis brama wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Well I've been looking at the Ash pic again and her ****** are still too small. They need to be bigger and more perky. She also needs to show ample cleavage so open up the zip. DA2 had hair physics so Ash could get boob physics that bounce as she moves, or if there's a breeze etc.

Just some ideas for a better Ash everyone can enjoy

i see your sarcasm and I like it.

Honestly, if someone didn't see his sarcasm I'd say then need to execute a sarcasm self-check.

[Seboist]

Manic Sheep wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

*sigh* alright, thats stupid too. Damn I wanted to give atleast one of them a perfect.

I'm sorry. But hey: there's always his AAP1 armor.

That’s true but I'm far too much of a cheap bastard to buy the AAP's.
Well I lie, the 2nd one tempted me enough to break my rule of not buying equipment or cosmetics and try to buy it but then I realised you can't just buy 160 points and gave up.
Still at least one exists.

AAP2 is the reason why I started to use Miranda in battle. Before that I shunned her on the count of not standing her catsuit.

[Skilled Seeker]

Hey I'm not being sarcastic! I'm deadly serious honest.


http://t3.gstatic.co...3SlKs6y6dDg&t=1

[Il Divo]

iakus wrote...

I don't think the question here regards inventory, but appearance.  And how appropriate the look we've seen for Ash in ME 3.  If Ash's picture had armor that looked like, say Kaidan's but with a more feminine appearance, I doubt this thread would exist. 

Mass Effect's approach does tie the inventory to appearance. If I give Ashley one set of armor, she will look different than if given a different set of armor. That is where the problem (for me) comes in. I'm not supporting the cat suit per se (and we don't know that it will be her definitive outfit), but if Bioware avoids the ME1 approach of 50 suits of armor, I will be quite happy.

Take KOTOR for example.  Let's say a KOTOR 3 was made featuring Bastila again, but instead of Jedi robes, she dressed more akin to Red Sonya.  And there was absolutely nothing you could do about it except wait for upwards of a year and pay extra for an alternate appearance pack 

This is true, but this also relates to whether we enjoy the style presented to us in the first place.

Ex: I enjoyed Mass Effect a great deal, but disliked generic armor. In Mass Effect 2, some characters (Garrus, Grunt) where armor while others (Thane, Kasumi) are wearing normal/stylistic clothing. Yes, this presents a different style than the original but I can't say I enjoyed Mass Effect's approach to begin with. On the other hand, I would say that the outfit does not entirely suit Ashley, assuming that is intended to be combat oriented.

[crimzontearz]

I'd rather have Bioware remove 5 N7 missions and give me APPROPRIATE alternate appearance selections from the get go than to be stuck with BDSM Ashley for all my playthroughs until an alternate appearance pack is released

[Seboist]

crimzontearz wrote...

I'd rather have Bioware remove 5 N7 missions and give me APPROPRIATE alternate appearance selections from the get go than to be stuck with BDSM Ashley for all my playthroughs until an alternate appearance pack is released

I'd love an AAP that'd give Samara/Morinth an outfit without that silly v neck and high heels.

[crimzontearz]

I'd llove that too

[100k]

Manic Sheep wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

 Garrus was perfect.

People say this a lot, but you know what?  Not true.  His armor was pretty significantly damaged, with actual and very visible holes in it, and we had no indication that it ever got repaired in any way.  And yet, it still functioned perfectly.  Didn't leak air or nothin'. So don't kid yourself: Garrus' non-AAP gear was just as aesthetically motivated as anyone else's was. 

It was a hole thru the plates but I don't think his suit was damaged badly. Its odd he didn't get it fixed but it looks protective enough.

The big problem is its clipping issues. Why do they feel the need to give every alien a human skeleton? The turians arms just aren't long enough to go around their bulky armor. On top of that, their head fringes go through the back of their suits.

[Manic Sheep]

100k wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

Garrus was perfect.

People say this a lot, but you know what? Not true. His armor was pretty significantly damaged, with actual and very visible holes in it, and we had no indication that it ever got repaired in any way. And yet, it still functioned perfectly. Didn't leak air or nothin'. So don't kid yourself: Garrus' non-AAP gear was just as aesthetically motivated as anyone else's was.

It was a hole thru the plates but I don't think his suit was damaged badly. Its odd he didn't get it fixed but it looks protective enough.

The big problem is its clipping issues. Why do they feel the need to give every alien a human skeleton? The turians arms just aren't long enough to go around their bulky armor. On top of that, their head fringes go through the back of their suits.

Well they did want to give Turians much longer arms according to the video
More like the concept art
I don't know a heck of allot about animating but I assume it would not be a simple matter to just give them another skeleton. They would have to redo or tweak every animation just for the turians wouldn’t they?
I don't see the head fringe go thru the back that often tho I may just not have been paying attention.

[N7 Vanguard]

I am just glad Garrus and Liara still have body armor. They are probably the only squad mates I will be using.

[Iakus]

Il Divo wrote...
Mass Effect's approach does tie the inventory to appearance. If I give Ashley one set of armor, she will look different than if given a different set of armor. That is where the problem (for me) comes in. I'm not supporting the cat suit per se (and we don't know that it will be her definitive outfit), but if Bioware avoids the ME1 approach of 50 suits of armor, I will be quite happy.

How so?  In ME2, we have the default outfits, the unlocked "Loyal" outfits, and in some cases, the AAP outfit.  Granted all are pretty much reskins, but some are a lot more...appropriate for combat than others.  There's a world of difference between Miranda's AAP outfit than her "cut off circulation to her extremities" look.  Garrus's battle-damaged armor looks different than his undamaged look.  But there's no "inventory" to keep track of for any of it. 

Ex: I enjoyed Mass Effect a great deal, but disliked generic armor. In Mass Effect 2, some characters (Garrus, Grunt) where armor while others (Thane, Kasumi) are wearing normal/stylistic clothing. Yes, this presents a different style than the original but I can't say I enjoyed Mass Effect's approach to begin with. On the other hand, I would say that the outfit does not entirely suit Ashley, assuming that is intended to be combat oriented.

And there's the heart of it.  The style for Ashley appears to have changed.  And in more ways than just getting rid of the pink armor.  Ash is a soldier, a warrior.  Heavily armed and armored, the photo seems to say otherwise.  This has Ash fans like me worried.  Yeah, it's great to have her back, but are we really getting "her" back?  Is her appearance the only thing that's changed?  Could this be some kind of lobotiomized/fanservice version of her?  to paraphrase her own words "What did Bioware do to you?"  A lot of people were unhappy with what was done to Ash in ME 2.  Was that only the beginning? 

Modifié par iakus, 30 avril 2011 - 11:26 .

[WizenSlinky0]

The reason alien species have to fit over a human skeleton is because of gameplay issues. It's a lot harder to develop combat cinematic and gameplay animation for too radically different aliens. It was mentioned in one of the videos they released about development.

There are certain "safe areas" where when developing an alien they can add and subtract from, without damaging the overall structure. The Rachni didn't have to fire guns, it pretty much comes down to. Which is why they are way different than anything else you encounter race wise.

As for Ashley's armor. Well I'd say it was likely what she was originally intended to look like. The original Mass Effect was a new IP and they had no idea how well it would sell. Therefore, it's safe to assume their budget was limited. I'd assume it's easier(read: cheaper) to stick characters in thick plate armor than it is to model them out without it. But that's speculation.

It's an unusual development choice to change a characters look so radically. I'd prefer to see her in a lighter and more flexible armor (as a nod to her spectre status no longer held by the "rigid" nature of the alliance). But it doesn't change my opinions on her or the game, so long as she maintains her personality. If she suddenly starts passing Shepard love notes during battle and giggling...well we'll have some issues.

[TomY90]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

If she suddenly starts passing Shepard love notes during battle and giggling...well we'll have some issues.

that I would love to see, but I doubt they will change the characters personality at all really if anything she will be even more stronger opinionated that she was in ME1 considering she is not having to live with the name of her relative.

But I do feel though bioware did go against similar rules they placed on Garrus (you can do what you wish with Garrus so as long as he has a blue eye piece and black and blue armour with blue on the face its garrus.

which I do feel if they had nods to the ashley williams ME1 look (white and pink) it would be more accepted but I guess the white and pink would make her really look like a barbie doll though with the new armour and hair design.

[Bluko]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Well I've been looking at the Ash pic again and her ****** are still too small. They need to be bigger and more perky. She also needs to show ample cleavage so open up the zip. DA2 had hair physics so Ash could get boob physics that bounce as she moves, or if there's a breeze etc.

Just some ideas for a better Ash everyone can enjoy

I too support the creative use of Biotic Lift! Or is it Boobotics?

You ever seen a male Adept before? Nope.

[Chino 281]

I've always hated Ashely, so I'll finally have a reason to be interested.

[Antivenger]

Chino 281 wrote...

I've always hated Ashely, so I'll finally have a reason to be interested.

Simplicity at it's finest! I commend you for your straightforwardness