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[Chaos-fusion]

crimzontearz wrote...

For that matter your armor has to contain an eezo core, a generator, an onboard computer for the targeting and health monitoring VIs not to mention strength enhancing servo mechanisms  (like in the stimulator conduits and shoulder pads) which your idea of armor would not be able to host very easily

Edit: oh and let's not forget the medigel  application system 

I'm sure the nice developers will be so kind as to streamline those pesky aspects that make a setting more interesting so that we can all get our fill of more boobs.

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[Dark_Caduceus]

Yeah, this doesn't really qualify as armour unless you consider thick pieces of fabric over one's arms as adequate protection. The torso portion has a whole 1/2" of skin tight rubbery fabric as protection from hyper accelerated projectiles... then again, it might just be casual attire, no need to jump to conclusion yet.

[Sapienti]

People are really still crying about sexiness in an RPG? Really? For one, the game isn't out yet, and we don't have any clear evidence stating this is her final armor design. I find it silly how people still try and debate clothing designs and stuff like that in videogames nowadays as if it were a fresh issue. My advice is get over it, its the future, they can easily argue that this is some wizard material that is just as effective as heavy armor.

Bioware is a company that needs to appeal to potential customers and it is a fact that sex sells. Look at Leia in Star Wars, Seven of Nine in Voyager or *Insert Woman* in *Insert Science Fiction*. I don't know why people expect Bioware to be the epitome of morality and justice when it comes to these things. There is a balance between sexy and functionality, from the looks of that pic it appears to be armored in some way so it could very well be her armor but then whats the big deal?

[Manic Sheep]

crimzontearz wrote...

yeaaaaaah....no

Nipple belts and passive Biotic barriers (not happening BTW....it takes conscious efforts to activate Biotics and neural impulses strong enough to activate the eezo nodules) are not going to protect anyone from an hydrocloric acid atmosphere....and both Jack's and Samara's Barriers can fail if they enough damage, just like anyone's shields and THAT is where armor can save your sorry ***

we have a saying in my country for what you are doing, you are "climbing mirrors"

Bioware could have explained all this in codex entries like they did for themral clips....they did not, not because they did not want to but because nothing changed from a lore perspective, if it did they would have made codex entries about it as they did for the Silaris armor, as they did for the Clips, as they did for the collector tech as they did for the true geth or in ME1 as they did for holographic simulations and universal translators after the DLC....hell a LOT of codex entries are not even voiced and they cost next to nothing to implement....

they only thing that chanted is Bioware's outlook on "Gameplay" and "Appeal" just as it happened with DA2....hell I'm waiting for someone to say "mass effect 3!!!!! push a button and SOMETHING AWESOME HAPPENS!!!!!!!!"

I am not dismissing your arguments, if Bioware implemented such explanations I would not have issues accepting them I am just saying they are pointless until Bioware gives its own coherent explanations..until they do tho these are just the way of an admittedly intelligent fan trying to mop up a mess left behind by someone who wanted to turn ME2 into a "more accessible and appealing" game

I thought that isn’t how it works either. Armour is not for when your shields fail. If your shields fail you’re screwed anyway. Your armour won't stop bullets moving at full speed. You have armour because shields don't always stop a bullet from hitting you and don’t stop slow moving objects. Sometimes they just slow down the bullet enough that it is stopped by the plates. You aren’t contently generating a shield either. A computer senses when something is moving towards you at high speed and then activates to stop it. Slow moving objects are not picked up by shields. That’s why Thresher Maw spit bypassed shields in ME1. If you had hem going constantly you wouldn't be able to touch anything and you would run out of power very quickly.
It is simplified in game so it works as a gameplay mechanic.
Feel free to correct me if I am completely wrong which is a possiblity.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 26 avril 2011 - 10:24 .

[Babli]

Sapienti wrote...

People are really still crying about sexiness in an RPG? Really? For one, the game isn't out yet, and we don't have any clear evidence stating this is her final armor design. I find it silly how people still try and debate clothing designs and stuff like that in videogames nowadays as if it were a fresh issue. My advice is get over it, its the future, they can easily argue that this is some wizard material that is just as effective as heavy armor.

Bioware is a company that needs to appeal to potential customers and it is a fact that sex sells. Look at Leia in Star Wars, Seven of Nine in Voyager or *Insert Woman* in *Insert Science Fiction*. I don't know why people expect Bioware to be the epitome of morality and justice when it comes to these things. There is a balance between sexy and functionality, from the looks of that pic it appears to be armored in some way so it could very well be her armor but then whats the big deal?

Yeah, armor with cleavage. Cool story, bro.

You see, if Mass Effect 1 was filled with this juvenile fanservice, I wouldnt protest. I would accept that Mass Effect franchise doesnt care about proper protection in space and in combat.

But ME 1 did care. There was armor, there were helmets. There were no t&a shots, no comic book characters. It was mature. And I loved it. ME2 on the other hand, is pandering to horny teens who are all wet when they see Miranda. Characters are wearing breather masks in space, their skin is unprotected...

Is it wrong that some of us want consistency in ME?

Modifié par Babli, 26 avril 2011 - 10:34 .

[crimzontearz]

Manic Sheep wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

yeaaaaaah....no

Nipple belts and passive Biotic barriers (not happening BTW....it takes conscious efforts to activate Biotics and neural impulses strong enough to activate the eezo nodules) are not going to protect anyone from an hydrocloric acid atmosphere....and both Jack's and Samara's Barriers can fail if they enough damage, just like anyone's shields and THAT is where armor can save your sorry ***

we have a saying in my country for what you are doing, you are "climbing mirrors"

Bioware could have explained all this in codex entries like they did for themral clips....they did not, not because they did not want to but because nothing changed from a lore perspective, if it did they would have made codex entries about it as they did for the Silaris armor, as they did for the Clips, as they did for the collector tech as they did for the true geth or in ME1 as they did for holographic simulations and universal translators after the DLC....hell a LOT of codex entries are not even voiced and they cost next to nothing to implement....

they only thing that chanted is Bioware's outlook on "Gameplay" and "Appeal" just as it happened with DA2....hell I'm waiting for someone to say "mass effect 3!!!!! push a button and SOMETHING AWESOME HAPPENS!!!!!!!!"

I am not dismissing your arguments, if Bioware implemented such explanations I would not have issues accepting them I am just saying they are pointless until Bioware gives its own coherent explanations..until they do tho these are just the way of an admittedly intelligent fan trying to mop up a mess left behind by someone who wanted to turn ME2 into a "more accessible and appealing" game

I thought that isn’t how it works either. Armour is not for when your shields fail. If your shields fail you’re screwed anyway. Your armour won't stop bullets moving at full speed. You have armour because shields don't always stop a bullet from hitting you and don’t stop slow moving objects. Sometimes they just slow down the bullet enough that it is stopped by the plates. You aren’t contently generating a shield either. A computer senses when something is moving towards you at high speed and then activates to stop it. Slow moving objects are not picked up by shields. That’s why Thresher Maw spit bypassed shields in ME1. If you had hem going constantly you wouldn't be able to touch anything and you would run out of power very quickly.
It is simplified in game so it works as a gameplay mechanic.
Feel free to correct me if I am completely wrong which is a possiblity.

no, you are right...I was not negating that....yet in the codex it does say that the armor is another layer of protection.......I'm not saying it would flat out stop a widow's shot just saying that it is just another layer of protection on top of the shields.....and it works against energy weapons by "boiling away" and ablating

[Sapienti]

Babli wrote...

Sapienti wrote...

People are really still crying about sexiness in an RPG? Really? For one, the game isn't out yet, and we don't have any clear evidence stating this is her final armor design. I find it silly how people still try and debate clothing designs and stuff like that in videogames nowadays as if it were a fresh issue. My advice is get over it, its the future, they can easily argue that this is some wizard material that is just as effective as heavy armor.

Bioware is a company that needs to appeal to potential customers and it is a fact that sex sells. Look at Leia in Star Wars, Seven of Nine in Voyager or *Insert Woman* in *Insert Science Fiction*. I don't know why people expect Bioware to be the epitome of morality and justice when it comes to these things. There is a balance between sexy and functionality, from the looks of that pic it appears to be armored in some way so it could very well be her armor but then whats the big deal?

Yeah, armor with cleavage. Cool story, bro.

You see, if Mass Effect 1 was filled with this juvenile fanservice, I wouldnt protest. I would accept that Mass Effect franchise doesnt care about proper protection in space and in combat.

But ME 1 did care. There was armor, there were helmets. There were no t&a shots, no comic book characters. It was mature. And I loved it. ME2 on the other hand, is pandering to horny teens who are all wet when they see Miranda. Characters are wearing breather masks in space, their skin is unprotected...

Is it wrong that some of us want consistency in ME?

Really? Not filled with fan service? What about the sexy blue alien girls that you could put with your female characters for hot girl on girl action? Not just Liara but the Consort too. I found that as an excuse to have simulated hot lesbian action in space without needing to provide the less mainstream hot dude on dude action. That seems like juvenile fan service to me. And then there's FemShep's ass. Its just there all the tim in ME1 shaking in your face the whole way through. I was actuall disappointed to see the new camera angle in ME2 when I imported my female character last week. Dat ass was fantastic. 

ME1 was pandering to sci-fi nerds who wanted to have sex with aliens and watch blue chicks dance around in thongs. I'm not shocked to see it in ME2 at all open your eyes. However I wont deny that the mask thing is space is kind of dumb but that's another topic, we're talking about Ashley here not Jack with a face mask in a hazardous environment. 

[Il Divo]

Babli wrote...

But ME 1 did care. There was armor, there were helmets. There were no t&a shots, no comic book characters. It was mature. And I loved it. ME2 on the other hand, is pandering to horny teens who are all wet when they see Miranda. Characters are wearing breather masks in space, their skin is unprotected...

Is it wrong that some of us want consistency in ME?

I personally did not think that helmets/armor made Mass Effect as 'mature' as some here claim. If anything, I'd gladly take Mass Effect 2's individualized approach instead of making every squad member's appearance seem generic.  

[Manic Sheep]

Sapienti wrote...

Babli wrote...

Sapienti wrote...

People are really still crying about sexiness in an RPG? Really? For one, the game isn't out yet, and we don't have any clear evidence stating this is her final armor design. I find it silly how people still try and debate clothing designs and stuff like that in videogames nowadays as if it were a fresh issue. My advice is get over it, its the future, they can easily argue that this is some wizard material that is just as effective as heavy armor.

Bioware is a company that needs to appeal to potential customers and it is a fact that sex sells. Look at Leia in Star Wars, Seven of Nine in Voyager or *Insert Woman* in *Insert Science Fiction*. I don't know why people expect Bioware to be the epitome of morality and justice when it comes to these things. There is a balance between sexy and functionality, from the looks of that pic it appears to be armored in some way so it could very well be her armor but then whats the big deal?

Yeah, armor with cleavage. Cool story, bro.

You see, if Mass Effect 1 was filled with this juvenile fanservice, I wouldnt protest. I would accept that Mass Effect franchise doesnt care about proper protection in space and in combat.

But ME 1 did care. There was armor, there were helmets. There were no t&a shots, no comic book characters. It was mature. And I loved it. ME2 on the other hand, is pandering to horny teens who are all wet when they see Miranda. Characters are wearing breather masks in space, their skin is unprotected...

Is it wrong that some of us want consistency in ME?

Really? Not filled with fan service? What about the sexy blue alien girls that you could put with your female characters for hot girl on girl action? Not just Liara but the Consort too. I found that as an excuse to have simulated hot lesbian action in space without needing to provide the less mainstream hot dude on dude action. That seems like juvenile fan service to me. And then there's FemShep's ass. Its just there all the tim in ME1 shaking in your face the whole way through. I was actuall disappointed to see the new camera angle in ME2 when I imported my female character last week. Dat ass was fantastic.

ME1 was pandering to sci-fi nerds who wanted to have sex with aliens and watch blue chicks dance around in thongs. I'm not shocked to see it in ME2 at all open your eyes. However I wont deny that the mask thing is space is kind of dumb but that's another topic, we're talking about Ashley here not Jack with a face mask in a hazardous environment.

I'm going to have to agree with this. ME1 wasn’t as mature as people seem to remember it being. That said it wasn't as in your face about it for the most part and the armour made sense at least. I didn't notice the ass thing tho. ME2 was pushing my tolerance level a bit TBH. I really would like them to tone it back. For both the guys and the girls.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 26 avril 2011 - 11:39 .

[Manic Sheep]

Il Divo wrote...

Babli wrote...

But ME 1 did care. There was armor, there were helmets. There were no t&a shots, no comic book characters. It was mature. And I loved it. ME2 on the other hand, is pandering to horny teens who are all wet when they see Miranda. Characters are wearing breather masks in space, their skin is unprotected...

Is it wrong that some of us want consistency in ME?

I personally did not think that helmets/armor made Mass Effect as 'mature' as some here claim. If anything, I'd gladly take Mass Effect 2's individualized approach instead of making every squad member's appearance seem generic.

I would much rather have individualised armour to generic. I would relly really like it if everyone had individualised and practical armour for missions instead of high heels. As I have said before you can do allot with armor. It doesn’t all have to look the same and armor doesn’t mean 'heavy armor'. I love Liara's LorSB armour.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 26 avril 2011 - 11:38 .

[Babli]

Sapienti wrote...

Babli wrote...

Sapienti wrote...

People are really still crying about sexiness in an RPG? Really? For one, the game isn't out yet, and we don't have any clear evidence stating this is her final armor design. I find it silly how people still try and debate clothing designs and stuff like that in videogames nowadays as if it were a fresh issue. My advice is get over it, its the future, they can easily argue that this is some wizard material that is just as effective as heavy armor.

Bioware is a company that needs to appeal to potential customers and it is a fact that sex sells. Look at Leia in Star Wars, Seven of Nine in Voyager or *Insert Woman* in *Insert Science Fiction*. I don't know why people expect Bioware to be the epitome of morality and justice when it comes to these things. There is a balance between sexy and functionality, from the looks of that pic it appears to be armored in some way so it could very well be her armor but then whats the big deal?

Yeah, armor with cleavage. Cool story, bro.

You see, if Mass Effect 1 was filled with this juvenile fanservice, I wouldnt protest. I would accept that Mass Effect franchise doesnt care about proper protection in space and in combat.

But ME 1 did care. There was armor, there were helmets. There were no t&a shots, no comic book characters. It was mature. And I loved it. ME2 on the other hand, is pandering to horny teens who are all wet when they see Miranda. Characters are wearing breather masks in space, their skin is unprotected...

Is it wrong that some of us want consistency in ME?

Really? Not filled with fan service? What about the sexy blue alien girls that you could put with your female characters for hot girl on girl action? Not just Liara but the Consort too. I found that as an excuse to have simulated hot lesbian action in space without needing to provide the less mainstream hot dude on dude action. That seems like juvenile fan service to me. And then there's FemShep's ass. Its just there all the tim in ME1 shaking in your face the whole way through. I was actuall disappointed to see the new camera angle in ME2 when I imported my female character last week. Dat ass was fantastic. 

ME1 was pandering to sci-fi nerds who wanted to have sex with aliens and watch blue chicks dance around in thongs. I'm not shocked to see it in ME2 at all open your eyes.

Straw man? Really?
I´ll pass...

However I wont deny that the mask thing is space is kind of dumb but
that's another topic, we're talking about Ashley here not Jack with a
face mask in a hazardous environment. 

Yeah, but if this is outfit which Ashley will wear for a whole game, then she will wear breather mask too.

[Abramis brama]

Babli wrote...

I think that this picture cleary shows that they are trying to make Ashley more "fappable"



Give her proper armor with helmet, as well for other characters or no 50 bucks from me BiowEAr...

...just 10 bucks later

Ugh, seeing that larger picture made me really worried. Cleavage, light armor, seriously stupid hair and horrible make-up. If they can do that to Ashley I wonder what else have they butchered.

Edit: Just cancelled my preorder. I'm gonna wait for more news.

Modifié par Abramis brama, 26 avril 2011 - 11:30 .

[Randy1012]

I'm hoping squadmates have a casual outfit to wear on the Normandy (and that Ashley's is that), and then a set of armor that they wear on missions. I'm going to keep hoping that until it's confirmed one way or the other.

[Sajuro]

Abramis brama wrote...

Babli wrote...

I think that this picture cleary shows that they are trying to make Ashley more "fappable"



Give her proper armor with helmet, as well for other characters or no 50 bucks from me BiowEAr...

...just 10 bucks later

Ugh, seeing that larger picture made me really worried. Cleavage, light armor, seriously stupid hair and horrible make-up. If they can do that to Ashley I wonder what else have they butchered.

Edit: Just cancelled my preorder. I'm gonna wait for more news.

Wow, I would hate to see what happened if they changed some gameplay mechanics if you cancel because Ashley isn't wearing that pink armor.
As for the ****** comment.... I fail to see how that's a problem.
Ever since Ms. Pac-Man people have been ****** to video games.
All I want to say is if you don't think Jack can go into space with her belt-bra on then don't take her and if Samara's cleavage is so distracting that you cannot help but go on the forums and complain, you do not have to recruit her if it is painful for you to watch. Just like no one made anyone recruit Tali in ME2, you can have a team of specialists just from the required missions (the first recruitment missions are required) than can (relatively) safely go through the collector base. The only reason for someone to have to get any character after Horizon is that they wanted to do the mission for the experience <_<. but it doesn't bother me if the people say they won't buy the game because of that since that means I won't see them complaining about everything else in the ME3 forums.

[Bomb In My Pants]

When are people going to accept that they can't get everything they want?

[Bomb In My Pants]

Everyone, keep in mind that the picture only showed her above the waist. I sure that She won't be as...um...revealing, as Miranda. After all, look at Liara's new armor. At first it looks really skimpy, but not really.

Plus, no matter how much I like Miri, I think she could wear a bit more.

Modifié par Bomb In My Pants, 27 avril 2011 - 12:15 .

[Shadowrun1177]

laecraft wrote...

Alliance discovers nanotechnologies! Now armor is an atom-thin structure embedded into your epidermis! No more outdated bulky armor. Your opponent might think you're naked, while you're armored from head to toe. Come everyone get your new outfit: it weighs nothing, it doesn't restrict your movements, and it's invisible, as well.

Well thats not far off look at Shepards cyber upgrades. Mainly Lattice Shunting the discription reads: (Shepard gets +10% health. Strong synthetic fibers can be woven through the skin, dramatically reducing damage taken from most attacks. These fibers also act as a medi-gel conduit, improving healing.) Shepards skin doesn't appear any different but gets effects from this upgrade, why is so hard to believe that armors could have similar properties or even other people could get access to these things. I mean you buy the upgrades at shops or find them on missions so the tech seems pretty common.

Modifié par Shadowrun1177, 27 avril 2011 - 12:17 .

[Bomb In My Pants]

Thank you ^ Someone who gets it.

[KnightofPhoenix]

It looks somewhat similar to the regular in-Normandy outfit in ME1. I hope it's also her regular outfit and not what she wears in battle.

That said, she's apparently a Specter now, so I would not expect her to fully dress up like a soldier anymore.